Lady Gaga - Born This Way- Page 3

[One Song Glory]

Posted: 2/12/11 at 1:51pm

Well, this song definitely reflects the LGBT community in that it shows ignorance and disrespect to its people of color. Why is she using "Orient" and "Chola" in this? Does she think that she has the right to "reclaim" those slurs? I doubt that she understands the historical significance of either racial slur, and now, millions of other people will sing them joyfully without realizing the history behind them. If Lady Gaga wants this song to be the epitome of gay anthems, and if she is so ardent about being a spokesperson for the LGBT community, she should try to acknowledge her white privilege than just spout "black, white, beige, blah blah blah" in an attempts to reach out to all LGBT people.

Also, this song was clearly designed to be a gay male anthem and not so much an all-inclusive LGBTQ. Just because she lists people doesn't mean that the song represents them. Props for the attempt and the message, but this facade of inclusiveness and show of racial ignorance gets a thumbs down from me.

[songanddanceman2]

Posted: 2/12/11 at 2:37pm

Namo it's got nothing to do with been a Madonna fan, it's got to with i dont like the fact that somneone who is ripping off other artists so clearly keeps getting away with it, it's a joke.

I love Madonna but soon she is going to have to call it time (she aint getting any younger) and she will probably concentrate on directing, then someone new needs to come in and take over. Personally i hope it's someone like Katy Perry, i think shes great, especially her recent album.

"I feel bad that many male homosexualists of a certain age feel that the success of Gaga is in some way an affront to the history of Madonna (who for some reason is acting as a stand-in for their younger selves).

I hope that was not aimed at me, im bloody 30 not 47 lol


" I think it's great that there's a sparkingly creative performer (who writes her own songs and sings them live)"

Shes sparkly alright, im not sure where the creativity is, yes she sings live (as does Madonna, as does Kylie etc, maybe not as well as Gaga), and as for writing her own songs.....well no comment

"It's 28 years later and they need somebody closer to their own age cohort and experience. "

I agree that a younger generation totally need a younge artist to come around and be a role model, personally wearing meat for me does not really stand for a role model it smacks of desperation, apart from a great voice i dont think she has anything new to offer other than looking like a Leigh Bowery reject and pretending to be passionate about issues etc she showed no intrest in prior to fame.

Perry is a great role model, Rhianna and many others. Those artists excite me, Gaga amuses me

Updated On: 2/12/11 at 02:37 PM

[JerseyGirl2]

Posted: 2/12/11 at 4:37pm

Thanks for clearing that up, Namo!

[uncageg]

Posted: 2/12/11 at 5:27pm

singtopher, I was wondering the same thing. I was thinking "Why does she get a pass"?

[Q]

Posted: 2/12/11 at 6:46pm

I don't think she's getting a pass - I see it brought up on many different sites. What I don't see is any kind of response from her - although, her site is trumpeting her #1 sales on itunes all over the world (in the HISTORY of itunes - OMG!!!)

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 2/12/11 at 7:06pm

I have no side in this fight - I am neither a huge Madanno fan (amazing performer, so so musician in my mind) or a huge Gaga fan (great performer, great musician with I think a much stronger voice) but I listed to Express yourself right before Born This Way and could clearly see why folks think she was at least inspired by Express Yourself.

And, FWIW, the times are very different now - Gaga can do a lot of what she does because of performers like Madonna. So, you cannot really compare what the two because the boundaries have moved since Madonna hit the scene.

But, I could swear that I almost heard Madonna signing in parts of Born this Way.

[Luscious]

Posted: 2/12/11 at 9:44pm

No response necessary from LG. The song speaks for itself. Personally, I love it. And I believe it to be an intentional homage to Madonna. I wouldn't be surprised if her Grammy performance paid homage to her in some way as well. For me, this is the first song that Gaga has released that is reminiscent of Madonna's music. I just don't "hear" it in her other stuff.

[Borstalboy]

Posted: 2/12/11 at 9:49pm

MORE people ripping off Madonna's "Express Yourself"...when does the madness end??

Updated On: 2/12/11 at 09:49 PM

[Borstalboy]

Posted: 2/12/11 at 10:01pm

My friend, The Divine Grace, takes on this non-issue on the Facebook:

"How is it that Madonna or Adam Lambert make out with someone of the same sex on stage and the LGBT populous praises it as "empowerment", but Lady Gaga writes a song about actual, legitimate LGBT empowerment and gets raked across the coals? Fickle queers. No wonder nobody takes us seriously."

And then later:

"?@Jim: Yes, the chord progression is similar, but since when did every queer have Theory and Composition classes under their belts? And since when were gays discriminating when it came to ANYTHING, much less music? Every song played in every f**king gay bar in America sounds exactly the same!"

Updated On: 2/12/11 at 10:01 PM

[tazber]

Posted: 2/12/11 at 10:09pm

Every song played in every f**king gay bar in America sounds exactly the same!

Lol! True dat!

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 2/12/11 at 11:00pm

Come on, songanddanceman, come on.

(as does Madonna, as does Kylie etc, maybe not as well as Gaga)

As does Madonna and as does Kylie SOMETIMES. At the most. Please. Don't pretend those two have ever sung an entire show live. Especially Kylie. Please. Do not kid yourself. Do not sign on to the mass hypnosis Madonna and Kylie ask large audiences to agree to. I've seen Madonna live three times and even when I still adored her, I laughed at the completely mimed opening numbers and pretty much gave up trying to figure out which other songs were her mixed lower than her background singers (more aptly called foreground singers in several cases) and songs she wasn't singing at all.

And please, I never, ever said Lady Gaga has come around to be a role model for anybody. I said queer young people deserve someone around their own age producing pop music for them to love. I notice you didn't acknowledge the fact that she made VIP concert tickets available for free to people who volunteered with gay and lesbian youth homeless prevention programs on her first headlining tour ever. And not just people already volunteering, she had a system in which people could be hooked up with the organizations they may never have heard of before, they put in the time and they got the tickets. I mean, she was walking the walk before she even talked the talk.

And Katy Perry? You want queer youth to think of her as a role model? A Christian pop singer who couldn't cut it that niche market so she came up with a phony pop tart image and got a hit with a homophobic ditty called UR So Gay?

We get it, you hate Lady Gaga for some reason. But the moral indignation fails upon even a casual inspection.

Updated On: 2/12/11 at 11:00 PM

[Borstalboy]

Posted: 2/12/11 at 11:11pm

But shes got big titties and looks like a real girl.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 2/12/11 at 11:19pm

Yeah. God forbid somebody who revels in the contradictions of pop music, who did an entire album about the porous border between loving and hating celebrity, should turn an award show moment into a performance piece about selling yourself like prime cuts of beef. Instead we want autotune and familiar tight leather dresses and UR So Gay.

[Borstalboy]

Posted: 2/12/11 at 11:26pm

The world is getting the music it deserves.

By the way, the Gaga track sounded more Erasure-influenced than Madonna to my ears. Appropriate. I liked it.

[Q]

Posted: 2/12/11 at 11:41pm

I honestly don't know what's going on with this, so I'll just ask - is there a 'thing' with Target or not? I remember something about campaign donations, but then it all seemed to get muddled. Is there some concerted effort 'against' them? If so, then does the connections with them matter? If not, why are people talking about it?

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 2/12/11 at 11:50pm

Yeah, there were campaign contributions to a candidate with ties to some wacked out "it's okay to kill gays" minister. So a boycott was called. I don't know how many people went along with it. I didn't spend any money there for over a year and that was a big change. I backslid when the subzero weather hit last month and bought a flannel sheet set for 13.93 on clearance. I made myself feel better by assuming the barely made any money on it and I didn't buy any impulse items near the register. But that's just me, you know, politically in tune and active!

[spiderdj82]

Posted: 2/12/11 at 11:55pm

double post

Updated On: 2/13/11 at 11:55 PM

[spiderdj82]

Posted: 2/12/11 at 11:55pm

don't like it

Updated On: 2/13/11 at 11:55 PM

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 2/13/11 at 9:20am

Just to clear this up...I never really intended to make this a Lady Gaga vs Madonna debate. I was responding to the Lady Gaga shouldn't release pro-gay songs because she isn't genuine about gay rights sentiment.

"and be a role model, personally wearing meat for me does not really stand for a role model it smacks of desperation"

That's the exact kind of thing people said about Madonna for rolling around stage in a wedding dress. Updated On: 2/13/11 at 09:20 AM

[parker russel]

Posted: 2/13/11 at 9:49am

Why do we care that it sounds like "Express Yourself". Frankly I wouldn't mind more songs on my IPod that sound like "Express Yourself". I could also use a few more "Like a Prayers" and "Open Your Hearts". Every song sounds like every song...Andrew Lloyd Webber, the entire score to Hairspray, a lot of contemporary composers try to sound like Sondheim. Who cares? Its all part of a musical history that brought us to today. (Hell, the Tony Award Winning Memphis had a story and score that had been recycled 1000 times).

Madonna is my #1 and always will be...but its not 1990 any more and I LOVE Gaga and what she stands for. Is she "using" the gays? Possibly. But, I would write a big gay anthem too if they made me a superstar and love me like I'm the second coming of Madonna...

Why wouldn't her love for the gays be genuine? We love her genuinely.

(And Target donated to a pro-big-business-org with no social agenda. Its leaders were very anti-gay politicians but that org had no social agenda. The org then donated to campaigns for anti-gay politicians. With the HRC Target has always had VERY high standings with their gay employees and are often sponsors of major gay pride events).

[Kad]

Posted: 2/13/11 at 11:11am

I like both performers, but I'd hardly classify either as a "role model".

[Borstalboy]

Posted: 2/13/11 at 11:21am

Agreed. If you have to look to celebrities for role models, you might want to check and see if your life isn't completely empty.

[Unknown User]

Posted: 2/13/11 at 11:26am

TIP: Madonna's Vogue lyrics had bi and gay in the rap.

Where? lol



read the post and what it says and it'll answer it. In case you didn't read the next line on the post----

Executives at Disney made her pull the lyrics from Vogue because it was deemed too racy. And now for those of you who can't make that connection.
Vogue was commissioned for the Dick tracy soundtrack...the film was produced by Lake Buena Vista--hence Disney.

Madonna had lyrics in the rap that were quite different,...they didn't want any of it.

Good thing--the song was fine without the pandering.


oh yeah and born this way?
for those of you who can't really 'hear it' or are not musically inclined:

madonna should be contacting a lawyer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u48oWMGZR3E

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 2/13/11 at 12:18pm

Is it odd that I actually found the combined songs really interesting to listen to?

But, I still prefer the original to the homage.

I wonder if this is someting the two could have cooked up together somehow?

[uncageg]

Posted: 2/13/11 at 2:01pm

Ok, so with a good DJ pulling parts of both songs in and out, I would be on the dance floor in a flash!