Lady Gaga - Born This Way- Page 4

[StageManager2]

Posted: 2/13/11 at 2:41pm

taboo123, is that true? 'Cause I'M BREATHLESS contains "Now I'm Following You (Part 2)" which has the spoken line, "Dick -- that's an interesting name. My bottom hurts just thinking about him." How come that line was allowed to remain?

[songanddanceman2]

Posted: 2/13/11 at 7:42pm

Namo i misunderstood you were talking about just 'gay' youth as you acknowledged so that makes most of your post back to me irrelevant.

And yes you are right, out of the 20 or so songs Madonna does on stage with high energy choreography and productions she mimes about 2.....yikes.
Kylie (who i despise) sings much of her show live, i know that for a fact as i worked on one of her shows, like Madonna she mimes a couple.

As for Lady Gaga giving free seats to LGBT youth, well of course i knew about it, it was well promoted. However so what? many shows have done the same, hell our 2 plays opening have given many free tickets to LGBT, as do other shows, concerts, cabaret nights etc, you just don’t hear about that because the PR teams don’t push it to the press lol.

I don't hate Lady Gaga as i stated, if she was not ripping off so many other artists and *in my opinion* use the gay issues in America as a platform for promotion i would probably be a fan. The woman has a great voice and some of the music is a lot of fun, Kylie is someone i can't stand.

Obviously though because I speak out against Gaga I must hate her and just be defending poor old Madonna, I can’t just think that Gaga is a phoney.

[Q]

Posted: 2/13/11 at 7:59pm

"poor old Madonna"

Well, that's partly correct.

[songanddanceman2]

Posted: 2/13/11 at 8:01pm

yes i forgot, 52 means past it for women right?.....nice

[Q]

Posted: 2/13/11 at 8:09pm

"52 means past it for women right?"

Nah - your buttons are just fun to push. You lost me during your ranting about Gaga being about promotion, while painting Her Madgesty as altruistic - which ranks as one of the more ridiculously hysterical things I've read on this site in years. And that's saying something.

[songanddanceman2]

Posted: 2/13/11 at 8:36pm

I never said anything about Gaga being about 'promotion' and Madonna not being, Madonna is the queen of self promo. If you read correct rather than being b****y you will see i said that i don’t like what she does using gay issues as a promotion tool, and it would seem I’m not the only one since people seem to be saying the same all over message boards and responses to news articles.

[Q]

Posted: 2/13/11 at 8:42pm

Well, If I'm being Bitchy, I would be reading correctLY.

I'm just responding to how you're coming across (despite how you want to parse your words) - and if you're feeling validated by the internet masses, more power to you.

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 2/13/11 at 8:46pm

Well it official. My mother just called me to ask me if I thought her song sounded like Express Yourself. If my Mother even hears it, I guess it must be so.

[Kad]

Posted: 2/13/11 at 8:53pm

"As for Lady Gaga giving free seats to LGBT youth, well of course i knew about it, it was well promoted. However so what? many shows have done the same, hell our 2 plays opening have given many free tickets to LGBT, as do other shows, concerts, cabaret nights etc, you just don’t hear about that because the PR teams don’t push it to the press lol."

Yeah. Because Lady Gaga doing this is comparable to some cabaret or small theatre company doing this.

It wasn't Gaga just giving tickets to LGBT youth. It was Gaga giving out premium tickets in exchange for recipients volunteering for LGBT groups. How many high-profile pop stars can claim something similar? You can claim all you like about Gaga "using" the gay community. It's probably, in a way, true, but it's true of any pop star who finds a target audience. But she puts her money where her mouth is, time and time again.

[Kad]

Posted: 2/13/11 at 8:53pm

"As for Lady Gaga giving free seats to LGBT youth, well of course i knew about it, it was well promoted. However so what? many shows have done the same, hell our 2 plays opening have given many free tickets to LGBT, as do other shows, concerts, cabaret nights etc, you just don’t hear about that because the PR teams don’t push it to the press lol."

Yeah. Because Lady Gaga doing this is comparable to some cabaret or small theatre company doing this.

It wasn't Gaga just giving tickets to LGBT youth. It was Gaga giving out premium tickets in exchange for recipients volunteering for LGBT groups. How many high-profile pop stars can claim something similar? You can claim all you like about Gaga "using" the gay community. It's probably, in a way, true, but it's true of any pop star who finds a target audience. But she puts her money where her mouth is, time and time again.

[songanddanceman2]

Posted: 2/13/11 at 8:59pm

Kad you pulled out Theatre and Cabaret what i said but not CONCERTS lol

[Kad]

Posted: 2/13/11 at 9:17pm

Fair. Give an example, then.

[songanddanceman2]

Posted: 2/13/11 at 9:29pm

The M.E.N Arena has done similar givaways

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 2/14/11 at 12:13am

Okay, you're like a person in a relationship, overlooking the very flaws your beloved has while criticizing the very same things in your rival.

It's really intriguing to me that you have a blind spot about what I have written TWICE.

I did not say Gaga gave seats to gay and lesbian youth.

On her very first headline tour ever, Lady Gaga instituted a system whereby if people signed up and volunteered their time for non-profit agencies with missions dedicated to preventing homelessness among lbgt youth, perhaps the most at-risk of runaway/throwaway categories, they were given VIP seats to her concert.

You claim you knew about this because it was promoted and yet you seemed to miss the major point and to dismiss it as just the sort of seat give-aways all sorts of artists do -- which means you ended up missing my point, which is from the very beginning, when she had no need to be giving away any seats to her rapidly selling tour, Lady Gaga prioritized the most vulnerable members of the very community you claim she panders to and doesn't care about with the sincerity and honesty that Madonna started to do several years into her career.

Is that clearer now? Is that actually dismissable to you? Because if it is, see my earlier assertion about you and blinders.

Updated On: 2/14/11 at 12:13 AM

[songanddanceman2]

Posted: 2/14/11 at 8:38am

It makes no difference whatsoever, it was all great publicity for her, everything she does for the gay community is with a HUGE amount of publicity from her team, that’s what bugs me. The amount of people who are saying the same thing (that she is using the gay community for her own gain) is huge, especially since the new song came out that we are all supposed to be thankful for.

The difference is that when Madonna, Elton, Janet etc do something for LGBT it does not come with that kind of publicity, I still see things some of my fave pop artists did for the community ages ago and knew nothing about it at the time.

Gaga's team is always very quick to let us know when she has had a conversation with one of the 'the gays'. And now a pop songs written by her (kind of) about how gays should love themselves blah blah blah from a woman had no interest in anything gay before she was famous......yeah awesome.

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 2/14/11 at 9:03am

Discussing Madonna with Songanddanceman is like talking about Spider-Man with Scott Briefer.

[songanddanceman2]

Posted: 2/14/11 at 9:17am

It's not about Madonna, it's about Lady Gaga

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 2/14/11 at 9:42am

You're really something when it comes to this issue, songanddance. I have a feeling you actually didn't know about the homelessness prevention offer until long after the first leg of the tour was over. JRB was sad he didn't have the money to see Gaga her first time through and when I mentioned that offer he said he wished he'd known about it because he would have done it in a heartbeat.

Considering you're one of the people who references Madonna's "excellent" business acumen and her ability to keep people talking about her (which PROVES her relevancy, they always say), it's weird to see you complaining about Gaga getting publicity. In a world where record sales are a shadow of what they once were, when new forms of entertainment occupy the eyes and minds of young people, getting noticed is harder to do. Given that most people figured the entertainment world was so fragmented it was unlikely we'd ever see a pop culture phenomenon on an epic scale again, Gaga did it.

But she did it the wrong way, according to you. Her commitment to work on gay and lesbian youth homelessness wasn't done the right way, or at least a way that suits you. Getting people to volunteer for organizations doesn't matter. Gaga let her left hand know what her right hand was doing and so therefore it's not PURE enough for you. I too wish she had done it and never mentioned it. The way nobody knows Madonna thinks she's "lifting up" an entire country in Africa!! So subtle. So publicity-free! Such an example of the demure and humble kind of charity work Gaga should learn from. "Oh, and I'll take two children to go, please!"

[NYadgal]

Posted: 2/14/11 at 9:46am

*like*

[songanddanceman2]

Posted: 2/14/11 at 10:42am

Namo you are either missing the point on purpose or doing that 'thing' you do to try and lay in to people by taking a fraction of what they have said and twisitng it.

If Gaga wants to work with LGBT then wonderful, fantastic, brilliant, my issue is that i don't like that EVERY thing she does for LGBT seems to be part of a bigger promotional picture for her. If it was just me saying this then you could accuse me of being some bitter Madonna fan all you want, but it's not. The press, the gay press and members of the gay community have been saying the same thing for months.

I agree with you 100 percent that record sales are a thing of the past and artists need to do things to get attention, Gaga is fantastic at self promotion, i take my hat off to her for that, more people should try and make the impact she has......that's not my issue as ive said before. I don't like the fact her career is based on established artists careers who paved the way for her (i don't think she has an original idea in her head) and i don't like the fact shes using gay issues to promote her music, image, brand etc....simple, that's my opinion. This is not about Madonna (you have taken things ive said about madonna in other threads not to do with Gaga and shoe horned it in to this one) and because you know im a big Madonna fan then that seems to be the ONLY argument you keep coming back with.

I work with LGBT through my company, theatre company and much more, it's something im 100 percent commited too, and it's mine and many others opinions that all Gaga is doing us chasing the pink pound because she knows thats the audience you need to stay ahead.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 2/14/11 at 10:59am

Getting people to volunteer for non-profits is working for a cause. She did it on her way up, not when she was well established and had already made her billions. As I said before, I think you've got on generational blinders. People Gaga's age don't get why older people aren't accepting and inclusive of gay people and she has been from the beginning. Not tacitly, but explicitly and unapologetically. And she channeled the energy of her fans into work for an important cause BEFORE the "It Gets Better" phenomenon.

I find it intriguing that you make these references to the press, the gay press and members of the gay community being critical of her attitudes toward gay people, as if you can't find people critical of any topic you'd like, at any time. So what?

It seems to me that you're stating a preference for less explicit work for the community, more behind the scenes stuff, as if visibility isn't a cornerstone to understanding and the shedding of prejudices. Do you just prefer to imagine that dance divas are singing about gay people and all you have to do is change the pronouns in their songs? I don't get it.

Gaga backs up her talk by encouraging people to work for a cause. Not by condescending, not by paternalistically plucking two lucky winners from an orphanage on the African continent and whisking them away to an entirely different world, but to organize in their communities. You know, think globally, act locally.

I keep going back to Madonna because I think your willingness to forgive and excuse the incredible excesses of her charity work absolutely show how for some reason (and I think it's because she's new and young) you are all over her for offenses you're more than willing to let Madonna off the hook for.

Updated On: 2/14/11 at 10:59 AM

[Q]

Posted: 2/14/11 at 11:20am

I am legitimately confused by this. The point seems to be that the ONLY reason she promotes and works for gay rights (through actions, not just words) is to promote herself and her popularity - that it's all a 'scam' to get people to buy her music, and has nothing to do with her feelings about the cause at all.

What is that opinion based on? Is there some history where, before her rise to popularity, she was disparaging of gays? The work I've read about her doing has been from the very beginning of her rise, even before she 'broke through' to real 'stardom'. Is the contention really that it was all a calculated effort to reach greater heights on the back of gays which she really didn't care about?

And what about 'using gay issues to promote her music' - if the musci is ABOUT the issue, and the overt message pushing is part of its intent, how is that wrong? And how is the message a bad thing to be pushing anyway?

[tazber]

Posted: 2/14/11 at 11:21am

Like a dog with a bone

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 2/14/11 at 11:25am

Thank you Q, for asking it in a different way without any reference to St. MLVCPR.

[JerseyGirl2]

Posted: 2/14/11 at 11:57am

At least Lady Gaga never married a homophobe! lol