Lady Gaga - Born This Way- Page 5

[SonofMammaMiaSam]

Posted: 2/14/11 at 12:12pm

Yet.

[songanddanceman2]

Posted: 2/14/11 at 12:39pm

I will answer you Q because with Namo its like going around in circles

"What is that opinion based on? Is there some history where, before her rise to popularity, she was disparaging of gays? "

Not at all
The work I've read about her doing has been from the very beginning of her rise, even before she 'broke through' to real 'stardom'.

I guess we read something different, as i said according to people who have known her a long time and grew up with her etc she never showed any interest in polotics or gay rights, or 'gay' period (oh apart from her revealtion that shes Bi, but only in a sexual way lol)

" Is the contention really that it was all a calculated effort to reach greater heights on the back of gays which she really didn't care about?"

Yes, that's what im saying, im not saying its a total bad thing, all artists aim their brand at some group or other, just her obvious ways are a very see through to me. Im not saying the outcome is not great (though if anyone really believes it was her that had anything to do with DADT turn over they need their heads tested), im just saying that the reason she is doing this is that he keeps her audience happy.....THAT'S MY OPINION, nobody will change that (as much as Namo seems to want to)

And Namo why do you keep taklking about the age of Gaga etc and that she is a new diva, i couldnt give a f**k, you can spin your *oh he does not like her because shes a new female pop star who younger than Madge* all you want, but if that was true i would not be a fan of Perry, Rhianna, Beyonce etc. It has NOTHING to do with Madonna for the 50 millionth time.

And as for Madonna's charity work seince you seem so dead set and talking about it, untill she adopted kids from Africa nobody really spoke about her charity work because she didnt really.

I dont know why everyone is so jumpy about my opinion, calm down, you have yours, i have mine, end of story, ive given Gaga a lot of credit, just not on that.

[tazber]

Posted: 2/14/11 at 1:04pm

I have to agree with SADM here. I believe that if you're a pop star you have no business promoting a "social cause" in your work. That's not what art is for.
Even if it's how you truly feel and could potentially help people.
Even if you could possibly influence people's perceptions about such things as homophobia.

I mean, how dare she?

Especially since apparently someone who knew her told someone who told a poster here that she never seemed to care for gay issues when she was a teenager.

I am deeply offended and disgusted at Gaga for attempting to do something other than simply entertain.

[Q]

Posted: 2/14/11 at 1:39pm

"her obvious ways"

I guess my confusion is this - if it's acknowledged that the message is good, the only way I could view it as a negative is if it was something she somehow didn't actually believe.

She felt like an outsider in her youth, and when she started her music career she noticed that a gay fan base was really being supportive. She acknowledged them immediately, and has been willing to not only embrace them herself, but extend that message to everyone - and, again, not just in word but in action (her actions on behalf of DADT repeal cannot be denied, whatever effect they may or may not have had.)

As I said, I don't see how she doesn't actually believe what she's saying, doing, or expressing. Is it aimed at a gay fan base? Yes, on purpose - it's part of the message. How does that get construed as something negative, without some kind of experience indicating it's all 'just for show'? Because she wasn't picketing when she was a teenager unknown to the world?

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 2/14/11 at 2:46pm

I am starting a petition to ban all pop stars from recording songs with a pro gay message unless they can prove they are as sincere about the cause as Madonna. I'll post the link here when it's finished so you can all sign.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 2/14/11 at 2:50pm

Definitely watch this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfqDf_kH_Kc

Fun: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DjQztbYS9k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5nJ7uyc9LU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GG5VK2lquEc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Nw1XqA_7jc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Zr9Bv-VBkY

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 2/14/11 at 2:53pm

Thank you jrb for posting more evidence of that woman making money by exploiting gays.

[Unknown User]

Posted: 2/14/11 at 3:45pm

I was just going to laugh and move on but that story of Disney demanding Madonna edit "Vogue" is so bizarre I have to comment- first, that song has NOTHING to do with Dick Tracy or Disney. It had no connection to the film except to appear alongside some movie songs on Madonna's "I'm Breathless" album. If Disney wanted to edit anything, I'd have guessed the S&M overtones of Hanky Panky would have grabbed their attention first.

I do hope you elaborate on this most interesting tale- I'm dying to hear the details.

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 2/14/11 at 3:51pm

I have never heard that story about they lyrics to Vogue either. The only place I can find any confirmation of it is on Wikipedia.
Also...Dick Tracy was released by Touchstone. Disney's film division that was created explicitly for distrubuting R rated films. So the story really doesn't make any sense.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 2/14/11 at 4:00pm

To be fair, Disney is very gay friendly--unless it involves anything publicly in support of gays.

[Q]

Posted: 2/14/11 at 4:05pm

Jerby - that first vid you posted is pretty to the point, huh?

If she didn't actually mean all that, she needs to give up music, move to acting, and start collecting Oscars and Tonys instead of Grammys.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 2/14/11 at 4:08pm

I also love the implication that somebody who was 22 at the start of her first headline tour (22!) is going to be called out for not showing an interest in gay issues previously. How much earlier in her life would have been acceptable -- made it more genuine in some way -- to the somebody songanddanceman knows who saw no evidence of her concern for gay people before then? Is there some point after which any action is dismissable as mere opportunism and therefore not at all helpful in this cultural moment?

It wasn't until Madonna's third album (1986) that she put the first AIDS prevention message on a sticker on the True Blue album. We were thrilled to see SOMEBODY do it at the time, and didn't criticize her for never having done so on her first two albums. And hell, in the first feature the Village Voice did on Madonna the interviewer talked with her at Danceteria. During their time together, a man kissed Madonna and wished her luck as her first album was just coming out. After the man was out of sight, Madonna wiped her mouth and said to the interviewer (I will never forget it), "You don't know who you're kissing nowadays."

People change and grow. Eventually Madonna learned that you couldn't get the new gay cancer from kissing. We all did. Eventually, when she was feeling stronger and more secure in her career and she put that HIV prevention mention out there, she was praised and not asked "what took you so long?". Good for her.

Updated On: 2/14/11 at 04:08 PM

[PalJoey]

Posted: 2/14/11 at 5:26pm

1986?

I remember wiping my mouth once or twice that year too.

Or maybe that was 1985.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 2/14/11 at 5:43pm

Please, you were still kissing that late in the game? After kissing up a storm from '78-'80, I gargled through the second half of '81 and didn't kiss anybody again until sometime after '86.

Yes, that's right, this is a game of Competitive Germophobia.

Updated On: 2/14/11 at 05:43 PM

[PalJoey]

Posted: 2/14/11 at 6:06pm

I said I wiped my mouth. I said nothing about kissing.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 2/14/11 at 6:12pm

You're the winner and undisputed champion.

[YouWantitWhen????]

Posted: 2/14/11 at 7:15pm

FWIW, regardless of whether the song is an homage, inspiried by or anything else, I have never doubted Gaga's committtment to the Gay commmunity, and her articulate thoughts and words on behalf of equality.

She was one of the few entertainers out there in front demanding the repeal of DADT and DOMA.

I do not attribute it to anything other than what she claimed: growing up with many gay and lesbian friends, and realizing there is no difference between those who love the opposite sex, and those that love the same sex (or those that may love both). That is why the trolls who want to deny rights will eventually lose this fight - every generation becomes a little more accepting. They have already lost this part of the culture war, they are just trying to win some battles before all is done.

I give her credit. It is one of the things I do like about her.

[MrMidwest]

Posted: 2/14/11 at 8:59pm

In case anyone missed it, here's Gaga on 60 Minutes.
Lady Gaga & The Art of Fame

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 2/14/11 at 9:20pm

"She studied the artistry of others, but she is a creation all her own."

Exactly, Anderson Cooper, and that's really the best case scenario in this post-post-modern world.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 2/14/11 at 9:22pm

Not to mention that Lady Gaga is bisexual. So, she's not just an LGBT supporter--she's IN the LGBT community. Not that it ultimately matters--that an LGBT person's contributions are any less or greater than a straight person's. We all fight together to end bigotry based on one's sexual orientation/identity.

[TheatreDiva90016]

Posted: 2/14/11 at 9:33pm

I like grapes

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 2/14/11 at 9:33pm

Thank you for the link, MrMidwest, I hadn't seen the segment and it was very entertaining. I was, however, really put off by all the pandering she did to the gay community. Wait, she didn't mention the gay community, did she? Only Anderson did when he referenced the queer servicemembers who escorted her to the stage at the award show. How DARE Lady Gaga NOT mention the people she who put her where she is today????

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 2/15/11 at 12:02am

I see what you did there.

[Kad]

Posted: 2/15/11 at 12:48am

JoeKv99, that story is actually true. Mostly.

"Although the song itself had nothing to do with Madonna's then-upcoming Disney movie Dick Tracy, it was included on the album I'm Breathless, which contained songs from and inspired by the film. Madonna altered some of the suggestive lyrics because the song was connected to the Disney film via soundtrack"

From Madonna: An Intimate Biography, courtesy of Wikipedia.

There's no direct mention of the words "gay" or "bi" being removed, just "suggestive lyrics".

[songanddanceman2]

Posted: 2/15/11 at 7:33am

It's strange isn’t it how it’s always the same few people on here and the Broadway Board who always go in to bitchy rants at someone’s opinion who they don't agree with. Sorry i don't want to be a sheep and jump on the bandwagon and instead want to have my own opinion, i know for people like Namo it KILLS him on here when people don't agree with him and his best form of expressing that is to tear someone down.....i thought the kids on here were bitchy (which you would expect) but when the grown men join in as well it's just kinda embarrassing.

You have your opinion, i have mine and others have theirs, end of story

And thanks for the Vogue story by the way Kad, i never knew that