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#201

PROP 8 OVERTURNED

Posted: 8/12/10 at 2:32pm

MB, when my partner and I had our commitment ceremony in 1994, I registered at Tiffany. (Anyone here who really knows me won't even blink an eye at that.

)

Anyway, the woman there didn't even hesitate - she was matter-of-fact, very helpful and kind, and a week after the ceremony I got a congratulatory card from her.

That was 16 years ago. "And people said I was foolish to put all my money in Tiffany."

(And PS: I got almost everything on the list.)

Cheyenne Jackson tickled me. AFTER ordering SoMMS a drink but NOT tickling him, and hanging out with Girly in his dressing room (where he DIDN'T tickle her) but BEFORE we got married. To others. And then he tweeted Boobs. He also tweeted he's good friends with some chick on "The Voice" who just happens to be good friends with Tink's ex. And I'm still married. Oh, and this just in: "Pettiness, spite, malice ....Such ugly emotions... So sad." - After Eight, talking about MEEEEEEEE!!! I'm so honored! :-)

Updated On: 8/12/10 at 02:32 PM

#202

PROP 8 OVERTURNED

Posted: 8/12/10 at 2:52pm

I think a decision on the stay is being made today.

*crosses fingers*

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. - Eleanor Roosevelt

#203

PROP 8 OVERTURNED

Posted: 8/12/10 at 3:01pm

Yes, I believe it is.

I received this in an email earlier today alerting me to the timing:

Right now, thousands of gay and lesbian couples are on pins and needles. Judge Vaughn Walker has announced that he will release his big decision before 12 p.m. PST today on whether to allow same-sex marriages to immediately resume in California or await input on the decision from the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.

"Two drifters off to see the world. There's such a lot of world to see. . ."

#204

PROP 8 OVERTURNED

Posted: 8/12/10 at 3:02pm

An announcement on the stay should be made within the hour according to my local public radio station.

I'm nervous.

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. - Eleanor Roosevelt

#205

PROP 8 OVERTURNED

Posted: 8/12/10 at 3:06pm

According my NPR station if even the stay is lifted.. opponents can file an emergency petition for a stay that puts the breaks on the ability for gay men and women to marry.

I don't know how that works..but it doesn't sound good.

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. - Eleanor Roosevelt

Updated On: 8/12/10 at 03:06 PM

#206

PROP 8 OVERTURNED

Posted: 8/12/10 at 3:14pm

Watch live here:

http://www.pamshouseblend.com/diary/17030/open-thread-for-prop-8-ruling

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. - Eleanor Roosevelt

#207

PROP 8 OVERTURNED

Posted: 8/12/10 at 3:19pm

"opponents can file an emergency petition for a stay that puts the breaks on the ability for gay men and women to marry."

You know, at what point does it just beome a done deal? I mean my god, there are 748 different appeal stratagies and 98 ways to change what a judge has ruled on.

Lord knows I am all for our legal system and I respect due process tremendously, but enough is enough already.

....but the world goes 'round

#208

PROP 8 OVERTURNED

Posted: 8/12/10 at 3:22pm

The short answer is never. Never ever, short of a constitutional amendment, I guess. Look at abortion. The Supreme Court tried that '73 and it's by far from being a done deal.

#209

PROP 8 OVERTURNED

Posted: 8/12/10 at 3:24pm

You're totally right. I guess if the tables were turned I would be delighted that there were still options.

But it can be very exasperating.

....but the world goes 'round

#210

PROP 8 OVERTURNED

Posted: 8/12/10 at 3:25pm

Not confirmed but word from the courthouse steps is:

THE BAN HAS BEEN LIFTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. - Eleanor Roosevelt

#211

PROP 8 OVERTURNED

Posted: 8/12/10 at 3:27pm

Suck it haters!

....but the world goes 'round

#212

PROP 8 OVERTURNED

Posted: 8/12/10 at 3:28pm

Motion: DENIED!!! Gay couples can marry in California for now. Yeah!

Celebrate Life

Experience is what you get when you didn't get what you wanted. - Randy Pausch

#213

PROP 8 OVERTURNED

Posted: 8/12/10 at 3:35pm

#214

PROP 8 OVERTURNED

Posted: 8/12/10 at 3:51pm

Not quite - he lifted the stay effective August 18th. So, no marriages can occur until August 18th. Which, gives the 9th Circuit a chance to hear the arguments in favor of continuing the stay.

#215

PROP 8 OVERTURNED

Posted: 8/12/10 at 3:52pm

Way to harsh my high, YWIW.

....but the world goes 'round

#216

PROP 8 OVERTURNED

Posted: 8/12/10 at 4:06pm

I am an attorney - it's my job, and I do it well!

#217

PROP 8 OVERTURNED

Posted: 8/12/10 at 4:08pm

YouWantitWhen???? got it right.

Back to limbo everyone.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_gay_marriage_trial

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. - Eleanor Roosevelt

Updated On: 8/12/10 at 04:08 PM

#218

PROP 8 OVERTURNED

Posted: 8/12/10 at 5:04pm

It's far from limbo.

The judge lifted a stay, effective Wednesday 5 PM. In order for the stay to remain in place beyond that, Prop. 8 proponents will have to prove to the 9th Circuit (1) that they are being harmed by gay and lesbian marriages, and (1) that they are likely to prevail on appeal.

The likelihood of that is zilch.

Lord knows we have plenty of opportunities to curse and wish that things had happened differently and feel like we are perennially in "limbo." Today is not that back-to-limbo day.

Today is a day to rejoice.

Even Glenn Beck came out for gay marriage today. (Well, last night, and pretty close.)

Your request is being processed... Glenn Beck: Gay Marriage NOT Threat To America

#219

PROP 8 OVERTURNED

Posted: 8/12/10 at 5:09pm

Honestly, this is about the best that could be expected. If Walker hadn't given the proponents this week, they would have probably found someone to get an emergency stay. Also, he would have given the fringe right a legit legal gripe (it would have been uncommon for him NOT to give this time to appeal to the circuit). Now, the motion has to go to a panel in the 9th circuit. This panel is made up of two Clinton appointees and one Reagan appointee. And as PJ said, there is specific criteria for getting the stay, and it's hard to see them reaching that bar.

"It does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are 20 gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg." -- Thomas Jefferson

#220

PROP 8 OVERTURNED

Posted: 8/12/10 at 5:13pm

As I mentioned on the other thread, the order is actually pretty interesting.

Judge Walker states that those seeking to extend the stay actually have not demonstrated standing to do so - they have not shown any harm which is one component requirement to issuing a stay. The only party which can presumably seek to extend the stay is the Defendant, the State of California - and it has not.

I agree with MB and PJ - this is the best the judge could do - and it creates a very high thresh hold for the bigots to overcome to try and extend the stay. If I was a betting woman, I would bet there would be a heck of a lot of overtime being paid on Wednesday night in SF, LA and other cities as they marry gay couples.

Updated to fix typos - arrgghhh.

Updated On: 8/12/10 at 05:13 PM

#221

PROP 8 OVERTURNED

Posted: 8/12/10 at 5:20pm

Well, I feel better.

Thank you PalJoey, Madbrian and YouWantitWhen????

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. - Eleanor Roosevelt

#222

PROP 8 OVERTURNED

Posted: 8/12/10 at 5:48pm

So, this means I can marry my dog, right?

And no one grew into anything new, we just became the worst of what we were."

#223

PROP 8 OVERTURNED

Posted: 8/12/10 at 5:53pm

Thanks for breaking that down YWIW.

wonderwaiter - your avatar is hilarious!!

....but the world goes 'round

#224

PROP 8 OVERTURNED

Posted: 8/12/10 at 6:03pm

Your request is being processed... Glenn Beck: Gay Marriage NOT Threat To America

This throws my entire thoughts on the issue into a blender. :/

#225

PROP 8 OVERTURNED

Posted: 8/12/10 at 6:06pm

Glenn Beck must be listening to some smart people.

YWIW, thanks for the legal info - very interesting.

I celebrate this day!

"Two drifters off to see the world. There's such a lot of world to see. . ."

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