Papa John's Pizza Obamacare Hypocrisy- Page 13

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 8:07pm

Although I would really like a response to the Abby Christianity question, Papa John might think that extra 14 cents seems pretty small potatoes compared to:


Papa John's faces $250 million spam lawsuit

[AbbyNormal13]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 8:10pm

PBS can absolutely afford operate on their own without help from the government. And what about head start? That's everywhere. It's basically free daycare for people who want it. They don't need Sesame Street.

And I will respond to the research more when i get home on a computer instead of my phone,, but from what I can see is that the information goes to 2009. But from what I have read it has gone up in the last few years and is at a record high now. And from your Forbes article I seem to be right, but I doubt you'll believe it.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 8:17pm

We were talking about PBS not helping people, remember?

Do you know who started Head Start?

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 8:20pm

PBS can absolutely afford operate on their own without help from the government.

Yeah, no they can't. Thus why they have so many telethons?
"Cutting PBS support (0.012% of budget) to help balance the Federal budget is like deleting text files to make room on your 500Gig hard drive"

You know I think they privatized another channel before. It was called TLC, the channel founded by NASA & HHS? Now look at it. We've got Honey Boo Boo. Updated On: 11/13/12 at 08:20 PM

[Jungle Red]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 8:22pm

Let's talk about head start, shall we?

It's also a government funded program that helps infants to 3-year-olds, and sometimes pregnant women. Not sure how that works but whatever.

PBS does a lot more than show Sesame Street. Cooking shows, travel shows, art and entertainment, British comedies. I love PBS and I used to watch it a lot more.

I really don't see your argument for PBS. According to one article I read, PBS and NPR are funded in part through the same organization. Both agencies rely on grants and viewer support, and receive little funding directly from the government.

(Since we're talking about government, every time I'm out with my friend who works for the FDA, he buys a round because he knows our tax money paid for it.)

[Jungle Red]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 8:24pm

MR NAMO! I know! I know! Pick me, Mr Namo!

From the OHS website:

"Head Start, created in 1965 and authorized under the Head Start Act (42 USC 9801, et seq.), is a
national program that provides comprehensive child development services primarily to low-
income children (ages three to five) and their families, with a special focus on helping children
develop the early literacy and numeracy skills they need to succeed in school."

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 8:25pm

It's important for people like Abby and Mitt Romney to pick on things like PBS to distract from the enormous subsidies billion-dollar corporations like Exxon receive.

[Reginald Tresilian]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 8:27pm

I have a friend who's an executive at Exxon, and he told me that if he has to pay more for his pizza because of Obamacare that gas will be $11 a gallon by 2013.

[Jungle Red]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 8:35pm

If we're going to talk about the war, here is another article by Forbes. Again, no citations so take it for what its worth.

The most interesting part:

"Eight years later, as Bush prepared to leave office, U.S. military spending had ballooned to nearly half of the global total, but America’s share of economic output had fallen to less than a quarter."

There's no way even Abby or Mikey could spin that paragraph into a Pro-Republican, Anti-Obama argument. That is Bush's legacy.

http://tinyurl.com/9uc73o4

[PalJoey]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 8:41pm

Exactly.

Abby--who do you think gets more money from the government: PBS in funding or the oil industry in tax subsidies?

Take a guess!

Is it PBS, which got $444 million in the 2012 budget? Boy, I bet that $444 million could solve a lot of the country's problems. Maybe all? RIGHT?

No. Wrong.

Or is it maybe...the oil industry, which gets $4 BILLION (that's BILLION, with a "B") in tax subsidies that actually COULD make a dent in the country's problems?

Which number is greater--and this math might be a little difficult for you: 444 million or 4 billion?

And which one enriches your life more?

Never mind. I don't actually care what your answer to that question is.

Posted: 11/13/12 at 9:03pm

Here's the deal: Abby is wrong wrong wrong wrong and getting her ass handed to her on every side. That is why she keeps tossing up different straw men to distract us from the fact that she has NO basis for her assertions. So I;m done with this stupid thread. She is willfully refusing to answer direct questions and won't even defend her own absurd assertions. So I'll end with this missives from the right0wing CATO institute who, as much as they hate the poors, hates corporate welfare even more.....
Corporate WELFARE IS $100 billion A YEAR

[Jungle Red]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 9:09pm

I'm not Fox news and one article doesn't make anything right.

Before I believe anything, much less post anything, I like to have more than one post. They can be slightly different, but as long as they go in the same direction, I'll usually take it.

But if you want to believe one article because it suits your belief, then go ahead.

I know better.

[AbbyNormal13]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 9:19pm

Why does everyone feel entitled to get everything for free if they can't afford it? If a kid doesn't go to pre school, head start, whatever, they're all still going to be at the same level by the time they're 5 and go to kindergarten. My mom works at an school and sees it all the time, some kids go to pre school/pre k, others don't, yet they're all at the same maturity level by the time they're in kindergarten, they're not going to flunk out of kindergarten if you skip pre school. If you can afford to send your kid to pre school, great, if not, fine, but you shouldn't get to send them to a free day care. It's not a necessity.

And no one answered my question about the number of people on welfare, all I can see is it got better under Bush, but there's nothing in there that proves it's lower now under Obama, despite you all saying there's so many jobs and the unemployment rate has only gone down under obama. But here's a link you might find interesting. It proves I'm right about welfare and you all are wrong. Sorry, but it is possible for you to be wrong!

[algy]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 9:22pm

I've been reading this thread for the last few days and I have to weigh in - which I don't usually because I'm in the UK and our system is too "communist" for some Americans.

If I get ill, I can go and see a doctor for free. My prescription will cost me £7.65 per item - that's $12.15 - no matter how much the medicine costs (and I think that's pricey!). X rays, hospital stays, scans, etc - that's FREE.

If I want contraception, it's free. I can chose if I want to have a baby or not - and I can chose which method I want to use - condoms, various variants of the pill, the implant, the injection etc

If I go to the NHS dentist, it will cost me £17.40 ($27.65) for the basic exam, including diagnosis, xrays, scale and polish, then £48 ($76) for all of that plus a filling, root canal work or removal of teeth. The most you can pay for one round of treatment - if your getting crowns/bridges/etc is just under $330.

You're exempt from prescription charges and dental charges if you're under 16 (under 18 if you're still in fulltime education) or over 60 - when I was in my teens I had my teeth straightened *for free*.

If I get ill, my family will not go bankrupt. I will not have to chose between feeding my (hypothetical) kids and lifesaving treatment. I won't lose my home. When my sister broke her arm, my parents only had to worry about her - not about how much it cost. My aunt recently had a 5 week stay in hospital - including 14 days in the ICU - after contracting a virus that attacked her brain. She came home two weeks ago - no bill to pay, all she has to worry about is getting better.

I watch Extreme Makeover: The Home Edition (the builds amuse me - we could never do that here with planning regs etc) in horror as I see families living in substandard/unsafe accommodation because they had to chose between their living conditions and keeping their kids/themselves well/alive.

I get angry sometimes at the fact that people in the UK living in "council houses" (used to be local government owned, now mostly housing association, but essentially subsidised housing) sometimes use their money to buy cigarettes, satelite/cable tv, alcohol, but then I remember those TV shows with kids in America living in houses without flushing toilets and I'm glad we have our system. My gran was divorced by my grandad in the 1960s and had no money and no qualifications - all she'd ever done was run a home. She was in her late 40s. She spent her working life doing live in jobs at childrens homes and when she retired she hadn't got enough money to buy a house or pay rent on the pension that she drew. In our system she got a council house and rent rebate, which meant that she could afford to live. What would have happened to her in the US? And when she got breast cancer?

Obamacare isn't even a fraction of what we have here, and yet it's caused so much outrage in the States - he's called a socialist and yet he's still to the right of our right wing Conservative party on many issues - let along along side our Labour (socialist) party.

I know each state has different tax rates, so I can't do a direct comparision, but apparently your average wage is $42,979.61 - that's about £27000 - on £27k you would pay a total of £2,327.40 - that's $3694 - to cover all that health care, dental care, unemployment benefit, state pension for me and for everyone else. Is that *that* bad? Is that more than you pay for insurance? Is that more than someone with a preexisting condition would pay for insurance?

If I could, I'd work out how much you pay the state in taxes etc and see how it stacks up. Add taxes and off that £27 over the year you take home £20,893.60 - that's just over $33k to spend on feeding housing and clothing my family - with no insurance premiums to worry about.

How do those figures stack up against the scare mongering that some elements of your political system would have you believe about Obamacare or about the UK system?

[cupcake3]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 9:33pm

Sounds good to me/
Quality, too?

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 9:35pm

For one thing, Abby, the Perry Preschool Study showed such impressive life-long outcomes for ALL children who attend preschool that a Republican state representative in OK snuck universal access to pre-school for all children by attaching it to other bills. That government investment in early childhood development had far reaching implications for what students who had it were able to accomplish academically and financially for the rest of their lives.

Consequently, other red states began offering it. But of course, you think all five year olds are exactly the same and it's a level playing field, apparently. Or your parents do.

Again, would you say your parents and you ascribe to a Christian philosophy?

[Reginald Tresilian]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 9:36pm

"Why does everyone feel entitled to get everything for free if they can't afford it?"

Who are these made-up people you're talking about? Who is "everyone"? Do you have even the slightest idea of what point you're even trying to make? Or have been told to try to make.

If anyone needs any further proof that AbbyNormal hasn't the slightest interest in--much less capacity for--discussing the topic, just read that sentence to yourself.

[strummergirl]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 9:37pm

Honestly, Abby what kind of monster are you? Didn't watch Arthur, Reading Rainbow, Wishbone, Thomas the Tank Engine, Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood, Lamb-Chop's Play-Along, The Big Comfy Couch, The Magic Schoolbus, Zoom, Ghostwriter, Bill Nye The Science Guy, or anything on PBS? Never seen PBS showing standout documentaries that would otherwise not be seen since those documentarians are not named Michael Moore or Errol Morris?

I'll leave the rest to Mr. Rogers.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXEuEUQIP3Q

How are PBS and NPR useless? I have more respect for journalists under those stations than the pretty close to braindead workers in corporate media not named Richard Engel.

So yeah their budget will pay for that terrible jet program (you want to talk wasteful spending, some of these jets do not even see the light of day) from the Department of Defense that is nothing but a blank check to the defense industry in the form of Lockheed Martin and GE.

Even those budget cuts to the defense spending will still have the US budget and military larger than the rest of the world combined.

That progressive tax system you are bemoaning was fully realized by Teddy Roosevelt, a Republican. Your historical references with a Huey Long quote, and by the way his plan is vastly different than just about every US administration ever including Obama's, make me question how far you got in both history and civics.

[algy]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 9:41pm

I think it's good quality.

If I phone my doctors first thing tomorrow morning, I could see a doctor or a nurse that day if I was ill. I could also book something in advance if it was a check up on a preexisting condition/something none urgent.

When I needed jabs for my holiday, I booked an appointment, filled out a form before I saw the nurse - and she topped up my tetnus there and then.

I phone up my dentist to book a checkup 10 days ago - I'm going Thursday morning. My boyfriend has to wait til the start of december because he wants an evening appointment because he doesn't want to skip work. But again, if I developed toothache/an abcess I could call tomorrow morning and they'd fit me in as an emergency.

A friend's sister found a lump in her neck 3 weeks ago. She's seen her doctor who referred her to a consulant who has seen her, she's had x-rays and had a scan and been given preliminary indications that it's all ok - she should see the consultant to confirm this by the end of next week.

If you have a cancer scare you should get see a consultant about it within 3 weeks of your doctor referring you.

I should've also said that fees are waived if you're pregnant or on low income.

I guess it might not be as quick as some private insurance, but if you want to see a doctor/consultant quicker - you can pay to go private. My parents have done that too - and in the case of my dad's hernia it was the same surgeon who did the operation as if he had waited the extra time.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 9:55pm

Yeah, I pay close to than $4000 annually to insure myself, and that's just basic medical, no dental or anything additional. I have a pre-existing condition (cancer) and I struggled to find healthcare to cover me as my COBRA benefits ended. I'm currently doing freelance work and don't have a corporation to help subsidize my insurance. It took me about a month to find even one place that would insure me because of my pre-existing condition, and I have co-insurance and deductibles I have to meet, which usually means every trip to the doctor for the routine tests I have to have costs me anywhere from 600 to 1000 bucks. Last year I paid about 8 grand out of pocket for medical expenses that weren't covered (and that was with subsidized insurance from my former employer).





Updated On: 11/13/12 at 09:55 PM

[EricMontreal22]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 9:56pm

"PBS does a lot more than show Sesame Street. Cooking shows, travel shows, art and entertainment, British comedies. I love PBS and I used to watch it a lot more. "

In the past decade or so, PBS' programming really has suffered already due to funding issues (they also seem to now constantly have pledge drives, whenever they show something they think people may actually watch--I remember when they used to be strictly seasonal). I can't see it surviving similar to how it is now.

[SNAFU]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 9:56pm

NO ALGY! You HAVE TO WAIT MONTHS for appointments! That is why you come here for treatment!

[AbbyNormal13]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 9:57pm

I think I watched maybe 2 of those shows you listed on a fairly regular basis for about a year, but I didn't grow up watching a lot of TV, occasionally, but not every day. And those shows didn't change my life. There are other educational shows on Disney and Nickelodeon, not just on PBS.

[Jungle Red]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 10:07pm

PBS=free
Disney, Nickelodeon=not free.

Is that too hard to understand?

[Yawper]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 10:08pm

Abby, how many different regional areas have you lived in for any length of time during your few years?