Papa John's Pizza Obamacare Hypocrisy- Page 12

[Kad]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 3:54pm

Abby- shockingly enough, a lot of people on this board and who have been posting in this thread are highly educated, successful, or (shockingly) both.

You are an unemployed 20-something with a degree in criminal justice living with your parents.

Your worldview is a bit narrower than you seem to think, despite all the dentists and franchise owners and welfare queens you have anecdotes about.

[AbbyNormal13]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 3:59pm

I'm not unemployed anymore, I got a seasonal job since I wasn't able to get anything else right now, it's not perfect but it's something. And you don't have to believe that I actually know and are friends with successful people who really know what they're talking about, but I do. I'm sorry that I know more interesting people than you do and you have a hard time believing that. I have no reason to lie about it. Have you not seen the list of businesses that are going to have to lay off people now that he's reelected?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/fortune-mag-thinks-1000s-of-small-banks-could-close-even-more-companies-reported-to-be-laying-off-workers-or-closing-outlets/

These are just companies who can't afford to keep all their current employees anymore. How is this helping the economy? It's not, despite what MSNBC might tell you.

Posted: 11/13/12 at 4:03pm

Again Abby runs from specific questions and changes the subject. Now it's the mysterious "tax increases" that are forcing this poor dentist to lay people off.

Meanwhile, in the real world, THE ONLY tax increase being discussed is a return to pre-200 tax rates for people making over $250,000. If your "dentist friend" was able to pay that slightly higher rate in 1999 I bet he can do it again.

[Kad]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 4:03pm

...because the site owned by Glenn Beck's company is bipartisan?

[AbbyNormal13]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 4:04pm

Are you saying that all these companies, most of which have been in business for decades and have been doing just fine, are all run poorly because they can't survive the economy and the tax hikes under obama?

Posted: 11/13/12 at 4:06pm

I don't know who you are talking to Abby but I am saying the only "tax hike" being discussed is a return to pre-2000 rates for people (and small businesses making more than $250,000 a year. If they were in business in 1999 they paid this proposed rate. I see NO reason they can't return to that rate. Those rates brought us spectacular economic success throughout the 90's and a budget surplus in 2000.

[artscallion]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 4:11pm

These dentists and other companies are saying this because they don't want their taxes to go up...no one does. They feel by threatening this false drama of having to fire people that they can avert the return to the more appropriate taxes of 1999. And that's all there is to it. Your dentist friend is lying through his no doubt nicely polished teeth.

Updated On: 11/13/12 at 04:11 PM

[Kad]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 4:13pm

Abby, the source you posted is as skewed to the right.. it's owned by Glenn freakin' Beck.

That article makes false correlations, lacks citation and details, and is generally trying to cause people like you to go "LOOK SEE WHAT OBAMA HAS DONE".

It is a list of layoffs and companies closing occurring after Obama's re-election. Many of which don't even give reasons; they are included because they're recent. Just a LITTLE disingenuous, considering the article implies the election results caused this.

[Kad]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 4:15pm

"I'm sorry that I know more interesting people than you do and you have a hard time believing that."

You have no idea who I know. Because I haven't been trying to shoehorn them into anecdotes in order to make sweeping generalizations.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 4:16pm

he's going to have to fire some of his employees because his taxes are going to increase tremendously

Oh, so he hasn't done it yet?

Oh and precisely how much are his taxes "going to increase tremendously"?

Updated On: 11/13/12 at 04:16 PM

Posted: 11/13/12 at 4:17pm

OH Everyone HAS to read that "the list of businesses that are going to have to lay off people now that he's reelected." They hit everything from amusement parks closing down for the winter to places that announced reorganizations before the election. They also include all the "sour grapes" Republicans (like "Papa John") whose $110 million dollar quarterly PROFITS are apparently just not enough.

Illinois did a temporary 2% increase in the tax rates and you should have HEARD the caterwauling. God, they are such babies.


Updated On: 11/13/12 at 04:17 PM

[Kad]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 4:20pm

So, Abby, how do you think we should pay for the wars we've been in that we couldn't afford?

Posted: 11/13/12 at 4:22pm

FYI the "huge increase" we are discussing is a return to a top tax rate of 39% (on earned income above $250,000 a year) from the current top tax rate of 35%. Four percentage points.

[SNAFU]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 4:45pm

(sigh) I feel so worthless not knowing as interesting people as Abby!

[SonofRobbieJ]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 4:55pm

I mean...if Papa John simply stopped the ridiculous 'let's give two million pizzas away' deal that's happening right now, he'd be able to fund healthcare for his employees for the next decade+.

And if you're going to vote for someone who would have kept me from the bedside of my dying partner, then YES. I'm going to vote for the other guy who will take as much money away from you as possible. I deserve a lot of tat for what I got to give.

[TheatreDiva90016]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 6:00pm

Abby is just proving herself to be a moron.

She can't answer direct questions.

She always has something snotty and condisending to say to people who don't agree with her (well, that would be everyone)

All of her information seems to come from the most biased of web sites.

Or she just makes it up!

It's funny to watch someone who is so screwed up that she can't face facts, evidence, and the truth.

[Jungle Red]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 6:49pm

I guess the economy really is worse in Oregon with all of those poor businesses closing down. Everyone I know in San Francisco is happily staying open and not threatened by the ACA.

And I'm getting tired of Abby. When is the next troll going to pop up?

[AbbyNormal13]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 7:07pm

How do I not answer direct questions? I've answered your questions, you just choose not to believe my answer, even if it's absolutely true. I've asked you so many questions, and you never answer them. Like if obama is making the economy so much better why does the number of people on welfare keep going up? Because anyone with a brain would think that if the economy was getting better, there would be less people on welfare. But that's just me. I would love it if you would answer that.

There's more people on it now than under Bush, is that Bush's fault? Probably according to you, but it's not.
And where do you get your information? I don't think everything you post comes from totally unbiased sitesw, most of them come from liberal sites. You can find articles that agree with any point of view, it doesn't mean it's true. MSNBC is one of the most left leaning sites/networks around, but you believe every word even if it's total BS, which most of it is.

And other than the one website I posted on this thread, all my information has come from people who are actually going to be hurt by obama's policies, I don't just make it up like most of you do and I have no reason to lie about it. Who do I have to impress? You? Believe me, there are much more intelligent I would rather impress, I'm just trying to explain how the economy is going to continue to decline, but when you lose your jobs maybe you'll finally realize that.

And your questions about how to pay for the wars? Maybe they can start by making more people pay taxes instead of having like 5% of the population pay basically everything. Now I realize you like the "spread the wealth" idea and want everyone to be equal, but don't you understand it's the wealthy that create jobs? The more money you take away from them, the less jobs they can create. I'm not saying every wealthy person is a job creator, but it's sure not the poor who create jobs.

Also the government can cut back on useless programs, such as PBS, NPR, etc, people don't need those, they're not helping anyone, but they're still publicly funded. I realize just cutting those programs aren't going to pay for the whole war(s), but it's a start, and it's better than putting people out of jobs by raising taxes on the rich.

[Jungle Red]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 7:11pm

Let's debunk these myths, shall we? I'll be posting as I pull up information. I'm also at work, so it may take a while to get everything debunked.

[Jungle Red]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 7:23pm

Truth about welfare:

"In 1996, according to the census, there were 4.4 million families receiving welfare; in 2008, it was only 1.6 million.

And when the Great Recession hit in 2008, the states began turning away people in droves; even as millions of Americans fell into poverty, the welfare rolls didn't increase, meaning that a smaller and smaller portion of America's poor families are getting cash assistance from the government.

TANF spending was set at $16.5 billion per year in the 1996 bill, where it has remained—without any adjustment for inflation—ever since."

Since you say that the number people on welfare has gone up, how do you account that the budget of TANF hasn't increased since 1996? According to a PDF that pops up (http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0565.pdf) the number of families using TANF has fallen from 3,700,000 to 1,700,000. Those are the numbers from 1980 to 2009.

Articles:
http://prospect.org/article/truth-about-welfare

UPDATE: I decided to check a few more sites that talk about welfare. Forbes has an interesting article here: http://tinyurl.com/9xwlnc8 Except the part about welfare has no citations or other links. It just says this:

# An increase of 18 million people, to 46 million Americans now receiving food stamps;
# A 122% increase in food stamp spending to an estimated $89 billion this year from $40 billion in 2008

The article was originally posted 3 months ago. Another user pointed out some other inconsistencies in the comments. I'm assuming the writer pulled the numbers out of his ass. Updated On: 11/13/12 at 07:23 PM

[AbbyNormal13]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 7:41pm

Those only go until 2009, what about 2012? So it was lowered during the Bush years.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 7:50pm

PBS helps a LOT of children who do not have access to pre-school, which is unfortunately only provided universally in states like Oklahoma and Georgia.

I realize Abby has no concept of what the word "help" means. Abby, do you and or your parents make being Christians the centerpiece of your lives, by any chance?

[Jungle Red]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 7:56pm

Instead of asking questions, how about you respond to the research?

[romantico]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 7:57pm

Little Caesars offers health insurance for their full and part-time workers while still offering $5 deals!

http://www.job-applications.com/little-caesars-benefits/

[Reginald Tresilian]

Posted: 11/13/12 at 7:57pm

I think that's a great question, Namo.

I'm baffled by people like Abby whose first question is "How is might this affect the multi-franchise owners my parents are friends with?"

The question "How do people working for below-poverty-level wages deal with health issues?"

Apparently, between chatting up her well-to-do business-owner friends, going to church, and shadowing welfare cheats in the parking lot at Safeway, it never occurred to her to wonder if someone might benefit from Obama's programs.

It just . . . doesn't matter.