Papa John's Pizza Obamacare Hypocrisy- Page 9

[strummergirl]

Posted: 11/12/12 at 5:43pm

She's asking franchise owners and pot smokers from California.

Posted: 11/12/12 at 6:16pm

If you'd rather play games I could make up a mythical family that has no income and yet got denied for benefits because they have about $2000 in a savings account earmarked for the 14-year old's college and won't get TANF until that is all spent.

Oh wait, that's NOT a mythical family it's the one that was in asking for help today.

Maybe you want to go back to talking about why Papa Johns can't supply health insurance?
Updated On: 11/12/12 at 06:16 PM

[Kad]

Posted: 11/12/12 at 6:21pm

I'm also curious what Abby thinks that uninsured people should do when faced with sudden medical crises and expenses that they cannot afford. People that can afford to feed themselves, but not a sizable medical bill.

[AbbyNormal13]

Posted: 11/12/12 at 6:58pm

You say so many of these people are single mothers, which I believe, but if you can't afford to have a kid, DON'T HAVE ONE! it's really not hard. There's are so many free contraceptives out there you have to be stupid not to use it if you don't want a child or can't afford one. Planned parenthood gives out free birth control to people who qualify, or at very reduced prices.

And you say some of these people were fine before when the father was still around, but if they were doing so well before the father left, he would have to pay child support until the kids are 18. It's the law. If you get knocked up by a guy who won't stick around, adoption is always an option. People who give up their child up for adoption at birth usually don't have to pay for anything. The adoptive parents can pay for it or the agency they're going through might as well.

I'm not saying everyone doesn't deserve a little help, but sometimes people make stupid choices and can't afford to raise 4 or 5 kids on their own, then just don't have 4 or 5 kids. My parents only have 2 kids, my sister and I, because they wouldn't have been able to afford another one without getting help.

[strummergirl]

Posted: 11/12/12 at 7:10pm

Some people don't get married. Some people are not educated about child planning or contraceptives due to a variety of reasons but mainly ORGANIZED RELIGION being hostile to such things. Some people cannot see their future flash before them, particularly at the behest of the likes of you.

And let's not act like the adoption services are some easy way out let alone an easy, quick decision for the mother to make.

And for somebody who is transfixed by an ideology originally built on free will and individualism, you do like to tell others what to do so it is somehow easy for you and your wallet rather than themselves.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 11/12/12 at 7:14pm

but sometimes people make stupid choices and can't afford to raise 4 or 5 kids on their own, then just don't have 4 or 5 kids

I'm surprised to read that you're pro-choice, but good for you.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 11/12/12 at 7:21pm

I'm surprised to see she's saying people need to avail themselves of freebies to prevent pregnancy. Especially since she and mom and dad were supporting a candidate who was vowing to cut off funding to it.

[Jungle Red]

Posted: 11/12/12 at 7:36pm

I'm surprised her head hasn't exploded yet.

[Reginald Tresilian]

Posted: 11/12/12 at 7:43pm

As someone who hires recent college grads once or twice a year, I can tell you exactly why you're unemployed.









Updated On: 11/12/12 at 07:43 PM

[AbbyNormal13]

Posted: 11/12/12 at 7:49pm

Oh please I'm very much pro life, except in certain circumstances such as rape or incest, but it is possible to not have 4 or 5 kids without having abortions.

And how does organized religion not educate people on contraceptives? I realize some religions are against contraceptives, but that doesn't mean that every catholic and whatever other religion that is against it, doesn't use contraceptives. If that is the case, why aren't there more catholic school girls getting pregnant? I am active in my church and know a lot of the families who go there and I think there is maybe one girl who got pregnant out of wedlock.

[Jungle Red]

Posted: 11/12/12 at 7:56pm

One of my small business owner friends just shared the big news! He and his husband are buying a second house in Puerto Vallarta. So much for that pesky Obamacare costing him millions.

[Reginald Tresilian]

Posted: 11/12/12 at 7:57pm

"And how does organized religion not educate people on contraceptives?"

Organized religion aside, you do realize that many, many rightwingers of whatever supposed denomination are very averse to sex education in public schools, yes? You realize that?



Updated On: 11/12/12 at 07:57 PM

[Jungle Red]

Posted: 11/12/12 at 8:10pm

She mentioned Planned Parenthood, which is the number one target by Republicans who are "pro-life". (We should call them pro-fetus, but I digress.)

There are 15 Planned Parenthood offices in Oregon. According to USCB, half of the Oregon population is female. So, that's 1,900,000 (give or take) women for only 15 offices. Do the math on that one, honey.

[Jungle Red]

Posted: 11/12/12 at 8:14pm

The rhetoric from the major religious organizations is that marriage equals one man and one woman, for the sake of the children. If they don't preach that, then their entire reason for Prop 8, and the other amendments, is rendered invalid.

Children aren't being taught the risks by their schools and the parents aren't taking responsibility for it either. I remember taking sex ed and it covered the basics. Then we went into STDs and HIV/AIDS. This is Texas in the late 90s/early 2000s. I'm sure things have changed since then.

Posted: 11/12/12 at 8:20pm

Abby I am trying really hard to treat your "opinions" with respect and to engage you in a discussion but stop changing the subject: NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO HAVE 5 Children- I have told you repeatedly I am speaking from my own professional experience. The average number of kids per family on welfare is just under two- the exact same as the general population. And the "welfare mom" popping out kids in order to pump up her Welfare check is as fake as the Welfare Cadillac Queen story in Reagan's day. Another child increases her check by about $35 a month- as one mom bitterly remarked when she found out "that almost pays for diapers."

And YES, the vast majority of women on welfare ARE there because the father (whether her husband or not) left her and is not paying child support. Obviously you have no idea the lengths adult human males will go to NOT support their children. If you want to try to find a way to FORCE dads to pay child support I'd be behind you 100%. As it is, $100 billion a year in child support goes unpaid- almost EXACTLY the amount the USA spends on family and dependent payments. My first day at work, I was in family court listening to a dad petition for a reduction in his child support- he had quit his job and was giving flying lessons (in his private plane), bringing in about $150 a week so he needed to have his Child support reduced from $1450 a week to $45 a week. And things like that WOULD NOT be a part of that $100B a year- he was got the reduction and paid his $180 a month regularly.

[Kad]

Posted: 11/12/12 at 8:24pm

Many states and counties still enforce a strict abstinence-only education policy, which has been shown to be ineffective in comparison to teaching safe sex.. And it is based in religiously-backed morality.

You've got to be a political straw man, right?

[Reginald Tresilian]

Posted: 11/12/12 at 8:25pm

Joe, I want to thank you for your considered and extremely enlightening posts. I am learning so much from you, and I appreciate your sharing your experience and knowldege.

It's a topic that I'm woefully undereducated about.

[AbbyNormal13]

Posted: 11/12/12 at 8:25pm

I was taught all of that I think junior or senior year in high school, around 2007-08. I don't think things have changed all that much.

And people don't need free birth control from planned parenthood, it doesn't cost that much to begin with. You can get it from your doctor for around $20 a month if you have insurance. And there are plenty of other ways that are even less expensive, you just have to be responsible.

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 11/12/12 at 8:26pm

You say so many of these people are single mothers, which I believe, but if you can't afford to have a kid, DON'T HAVE ONE! it's really not hard. There's are so many free contraceptives out there you have to be stupid not to use it if you don't want a child or can't afford one. Planned parenthood gives out free birth control to people who qualify, or at very reduced prices.

Oh you are so full of ****. Your party is ALL for cutting funding to Planned Parenthood. What about the father who dies before birth? Whose a deadbeat who has no income of his own to pay child support? Who ran off after the kid was born and no one knows where he is? Not every mother is content with just handing their child off to the system, especially those who grew up in the system.

That's not the same everywhere. A guy I met at work last month moved here from california and immediately went on food stamps and between he and his roommate they get $500 a month, even though they both make plenty of money to buy their own food, they just choose not to, but they still have plenty of money for weed. That's what he told me, I'm not making this up.

REPORT THEM. The only way to improve the system is to weed out people who are defrauding it.

LOL you clearly have never owned or operated a franchise. But nless any of you guys own a franchise, which you don't, you have absolutely no room to talk about how much they cost, but that's what you guys are good at , talking without knowing all the facts. But they own 5 or 6 Papa Johns.

Oh FUN! Because my parents were close to buying into the Subway franchise of an existing store. Just to buy an already established store was going to cost an excess of $50,000.

Some more FUN! You're actually specific about Papa Johns, who raised their prices, like threatened due to Obama, but two weeks BEFORE the election? Is that about them not being able afford it? Or is it trying to scapegoat Obama to get them some extra money?

And I never said I own a franchise, the people who I know own plenty, and we have heard from them first hand how difficult it is and how there's not as much money to be made as people think. They take the money they make and open new franchises to create more jobs. How many of you do that? They could just pocket it and keep it for themselves, but they don't.

That is complete BULLSH*T! They open more franchises to MAKE MORE MONEY. It just so happens that those places employ people. It's a side effect of the want for more money. You can't own many franchises without having money of your own from other means. Franchising is just another venture for you. A gamble to make more money. If it doesn't work well then, no harm no foul, but if it is a success that means open more! We can get MORE money if we expand!

And people don't need free birth control from planned parenthood, it doesn't cost that much to begin with. You can get it from your doctor for around $20 a month if you have insurance.

And we come full circle. Updated On: 11/12/12 at 08:26 PM

[Reginald Tresilian]

Posted: 11/12/12 at 8:29pm

". . . if you have insurance."

I wonder if deafness to irony is considered a pre-existing condition.

Posted: 11/12/12 at 8:32pm

Aw shucks Reg. I knew nothing about it before I started this job- and that first day I mentioned above was an eye-opener. I still shake my head about that guy forgoing a $150,000 a year job just so he can screw his kids- all in the guise of screwing his dreaded "ex-wife" of course. Sadly I've come to see it again and again and again. A good friend's ex-husband bought a house for his girlfriend (with cash) and then claimed to be too poor to pay any child support. Karma intervened and the GF left him- and kept the house- after three months.

And I do not do the hero work of my co-workers. I merely do events and fundraising to support their work. But my boss feels strongly that I can't speak about our issues without knowing a bit about them- so I took our training and learned what I could. I'm hoping Abby hauls out the old "churches and non-profits should be caring for these people" because I've got PLENTY to say about that too.

[Kad]

Posted: 11/12/12 at 8:32pm

...if you have insurance.
...if you're taught sex isn't a dirty thing.
...if you're taught safe sex, and how to use contraception, and all the different options for safe sex.

Yes, personal responsibility is a factor. But there is more to it than that. There are many social factors that you and people like you either deny or shrug off because they're unfathomable to you.

[Jungle Red]

Posted: 11/12/12 at 8:35pm

I'm only speaking as a gay man, and not a health care professional, but there's really no reason to not use a condom. They're every where. You can buy a pack, but they're available for free in the bars and at the hospitals/clinics.

I understand it's a bit harder for women to afford pills, but the same rule applies for condoms. Women who know they're going to have sex should have their own stash. Either a regular condom or a FC2.

People should take more responsibility when it comes to their sexual health.

Posted: 11/12/12 at 8:39pm

You've been really bad at answering questions, Abby but I'll toss a few more out there. You say it's people having kids they can't afford that causes the welfare problems- so what do we do? What would be your solution? Forced sterilization? Heinlein wrote about a world were humans were not allowed to reproduce unless they did two years in the army. How do you feel about that? It seems a little "big government" for you Republicans but maybe....

And you still haven't answered my questions

Incidentally, about 4% of the population is on some sort of welfare and the average length of time on it is about 18 months.

[Jungle Red]

Posted: 11/12/12 at 8:39pm

Abby should move to China, where she gets to keep one child. Let's hope it's a boy!