Papa John's Pizza Obamacare Hypocrisy- Page 7

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 11/12/12 at 1:11am

Well it's more than mean, they have to pay fees on the card.

[Jungle Red]

Posted: 11/12/12 at 1:14am

That's what I said. I get mad when the credit card stickers are stuck to the windows. If you don't want to take cards, then don't advertise them!

I do tip well, though, for what that's worth.

And every business pays fees. Every one of them. Restaurants, gas stations, hotels, pay a fee. No one is exempt.

[strummergirl]

Posted: 11/12/12 at 1:22am

"The difference between pizza drivers and cab drivers, at least in San Francisco, is that the cab drivers are basically franchise operators. They may drive for Yellow or Luxor or whatever, but at the end of the day, they get to keep more than the tips.

And now cab drivers get to charge an additional fee for passengers who pay with credit cards. Every time I've taken a cab, the first thing I'm asked is, "Are you paying cash?" These are the same cabs that have the VISA, MC, AMEX and DISCOVER stickers on the window. Sometimes I lie and say yeah, and then when I arrive I pull out my card. It's mean but I don't care."

In New York City it is largely garages that own the cars. Cab drivers are contract workers and I cannot imagine it being all that different in other places. You have to be loaded to own a medallion. You pay a weekly/daily lease in most cases. Even though there is a TLC structure to supposedly mediate, there are a lot of incidents of corruption with garage owners overcharging drivers. They pay their own gas too so it essentially adds up to them making minimum wage on a good day.

And in NY they just ended having 5% of the charge on credits cards go straight to the garage owners. I honestly never met a cab driver that wanted passengers to pay by credit card. Even with the fee disappearing most cab drivers are skeptical where that money goes for them.

[Jungle Red]

Posted: 11/12/12 at 1:25am

I don't know how the actual business works out here. I take public transit or walk, unless the weather sucks.

[AbbyNormal13]

Posted: 11/12/12 at 2:39am

"You have any idea how hard it is to qualify for food stamps or welfare? How poor? Dirt poor"

Not in my state! Oregon has one of the highest rate of people on welfare. People move up here from California because its a lot easier to get welfare here than it is down there. They'll buy food that qualifies with their welfare cards, and then pay for a 32 pack of beer with cash. I see this all the time, it's hard to miss. Don't you think if everyone on welfare really struggling as much as you say, they would be trying to save as much as possible and not buying non essential items like beer? And so many people on food stamps here are illegal immigrants from mexico and/or don't speak a word of english, but our tax dollars are going toward teaching them english, which is totally screwed up. I'm not saying everyone on welfare is abusing the system, but when close to 20% of a state is on welfare, that should put up a red flag.

And I'm curious if you believe in drug testing welfare recipients? Or is that crossing the line and an invasion of privacy?

[AbbyNormal13]

Posted: 11/12/12 at 2:50am

"Franchise owners aren't hurting for ****. If you can afford to buy into a franchise, you can afford basic healthcare for your employees."

You clearly know nothing about franchises. The family that I know that owns 6 franchises aren't struggling or on welfare, but they aren't the wealthiest people I know. The wife even works a second job where my mom works, that's how we met them. Now do you really think that if all franchise owners were super wealthy millionaires that they would be working a second job? I don't think so. Until you know a little more about franchises and how much they cost to operate I don't think you can really talk about how selfish the owners are.

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 11/12/12 at 3:33am

And what franchise is that? You really continue to blow smoke. You own one place, it's a success and you continue open more you are making money at the ones you do have. Quite a bit of money to warrant opening more. Nobody is working a second job if they own 6 franchised stores or restaurants. Nothing you say makes sense in the slightest.

And I'm curious if you believe in drug testing welfare recipients? Or is that crossing the line and an invasion of privacy?

Fun, they've tried that. Not only is REALLY expensive for the state, but proves that only 2% are using drugs.
http://www2.tbo.com/news/politics/2011/aug/24/3/welfare-drug-testing-yields-2-percent-positive-res-ar-252458/

And honestly having watched my mother go through it for reasons other than welfare yeah it's an invasion of privacy, it's embarrassing, but for what happened to her it was required because it was directly involved. I don't think being on Welfare links to the "Well you're on welfare so there's a good chance you're on drugs too so piss in this cup right in front me so you can go feed your kids & yourself." Updated On: 11/12/12 at 03:33 AM

[fingerlakessinger]

Posted: 11/12/12 at 11:14am

LOL If someone owns SIX franchises then there is no way in hell they need a "second job."
Do some research into how much it costs to even think about opening up a franchise.
To buy into one is anywhere from $20,000 to $50,000
Then you have the inventory is can be upwards of $120,000
Then you have a build up/construction/employment/ect.
So if you "Friend" (which I doubt you even have) really do have 6, then they have more then enough money considering there is no way in hell any franchise would give them another one if even one of their other stores are failing.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 11/12/12 at 12:16pm

My God, Abby. You sure spend a helluva lot of time checking out what's in other people's grocery carts, worrying about their phones and following them out to the parking lot to make sure they drive cars that you can bitch about. You're like the Gladys Kravitz of Oregon. Your priorities are out of whack. Meanwhile, in the time it took me to type out this post, Exxon received 9000 of our tax dollars.

[AbbyNormal13]

Posted: 11/12/12 at 12:19pm

LOL you clearly have never owned or operated a franchise. But nless any of you guys own a franchise, which you don't, you have absolutely no room to talk about how much they cost, but that's what you guys are good at , talking without knowing all the facts. But they own 5 or 6 Papa Johns. And if you don't believe that that's fine, but I live in a small town where my family has a lot of ties to the community through our church/work and we know a lot of people, it's not impossible to know people who own and operate successful small businesses. But I guess when you never leave your house or only hang out witth people of the same intelligence level its hard to believe people might actually have intelligent friends outside of broadwayworld who are very successful at what they do.

And about the drug testing for welfare recipients, I have had to get drug tested every place I've been hired and never had a problem with it,, why shouldn't people get tested where my money is going towards their food?

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 11/12/12 at 12:27pm

Firstly of alls, This drug testing for welfare - I'm not totally against. Because AbbyNextToNormal has a good point there. If Subway and McDonalds make you drug test before you get paid, why shouldn't you do the same for the government so they know that money isn't (in theory) going to support a drug habit.

Secondly of alls, in regards to the other things Abby says - Shut up.

[Addison D.]

Posted: 11/12/12 at 12:28pm

Oh good Lord. I can't stay on the sidelines any longer.

How DARE you presume to judge what kind of food people buy with their public assistance!

How DARE you suggest that someone needs to pass some arbitrary litmus test of "purity" to qualify for assistance.

Decent people--unlike yourself--have determined that our nation is wealthy enough to provide financial assistance to people who require it. In order to qualify for assistance, you need to be poor. You don't need to promise to eat well or be sober.

Do the CEO's agree to forego their tumbler of Scotch before they accept Corporate Welfare--subsidies, grants and tax breaks? Certainly not--it's nobody's God-Da**ed business.

Abby--I refrain from engaging in 99% of the pointless, partisan bashing that goes on here, but I must go on record now. You are a foolish child who should educate yourself about Life before you make another post on any topic other than how Wicked, like, totally changed your life.

You embarrass yourself with every post you make and--if you are not killed by a band of civic-minded activists seeking to elevate the quality of Thought & Discourse in whatever region of the country you blight with your presence--you will look back on this period of your life with great shame.

[artscallion]

Posted: 11/12/12 at 12:32pm

"Oregon has one of the highest rate of people on welfare."

You mean Oregon, the highly Republican, blue state? I'm having trouble reconciling this with the post election GOP talking point that tells us the country has changed to a country of people who think they are owed stuff by the government. And these people voted Obama in. The vast majority of people on welfare are actually Republicans.

[Addison D.]

Posted: 11/12/12 at 12:44pm

I disagree, Jordan.

Subway and McDonalds are hiring people to function in a working capacity. They are entering into a contract where they agree to give people money in exchange for performing a set of tasks. They have determined that, in order to perform those tasks properly, empolyees shouldn't be high.

The contract implicit in the social safety net is not--yet--that recipients of aid are being hired to perform a job. They are being given money because they need money. Once that money is given to them it is their money. We do not retain some proprietary connection to the funds which give us the right to question or criticize or evaluate the ways in which it is spent--beyond the fact that assistance funds cannot be spent on certain categories of items.

[Kad]

Posted: 11/12/12 at 12:44pm

Abby. You have no idea what a great deal of the members here do with their lives. A good many people on this message board are educated, successful, and worldly, despite the outward appearances and ridiculous conversations. Unsurprisingly, you also show you don't have much idea of what people in the real world are like, either.

You do nothing but judge people on what a cursory glance reveals about them.

Posted: 11/12/12 at 12:45pm

I couldn't wade through all 7 pages of "job creator" BS so if someone made this point already I am sorry. BUT:

EVERY expansion of employee's rights and benefits is met with this outcry. EVERY new requirement that is "forced upon" owners is going to bankrupt them. Not being allowed to hire child labor, the eight hour work day, not being allowed to hire illegal immigrants (and pay them $1 an hour cash), having to follow OSHA laws, having to buy meat from health code approved vendors- ALL have been lambasted as the thing that will put owners out of business.

If a restaurant thinks so little of its employees that it does not have a health insurance plan for its employees it is absolutely not worthy of your patronage. There was a flap recently around Jimmy John's "no sick days" policy which was causing ill employees to come to work and the customers they infected while working while sick. Not giving your food-handling employees access to health care is bad bad business.

And incidentally, Papa Johns showed a quarterly profit this past August of over $110 million.

Posted: 11/12/12 at 12:52pm

And I have NO IDEA how it got dragged into this discussion but:

1) States that have instituted drug tests for welfare (and by that I mean any government assistance) have ALL shown that the cost of drug testing FAR exceeds the teeny tiny amount of assistance to those who test positive for drugs. In fact, in Florida they instituted a "Drug test" for welfare and the percentage of drug users on welfare was LOWER than the percentage of Florida State Government officials ARRESTED for drugs in the same period.

2) Food stamps are a "sliding scale." If you are below the poverty line you can apply for food stamps. If you are just below that line you might get $15 a month (to bring your income up to that level) for example. The MAXIMUM for a Mom with a kid is $367. Try living on $367 a month food budget and then come back here and talk about how easy these freeloaders have it.

Updated On: 11/12/12 at 12:52 PM

[SNAFU]

Posted: 11/12/12 at 12:56pm

"LOL you clearly have never owned or operated a franchise. But nless any of you guys own a franchise, which you don't, you have absolutely no room to talk about how much they cost, but that's what you guys are good at , talking without knowing all the facts."

So then we are to assume YOU are a franchise owner and should listen to your learned words of wisdom? What franchise do you run Abby child?

Posted: 11/12/12 at 1:02pm

FYI I owned a restaurant Abby. You may feel free to ONLY debate with me if you feel I am the only one qualified. I hated paying the whopping electric bills every summer to keep my place cool and power all those refrigerators and freezers but I did it because I had to.

That's how I feel about a health care plan, You gotta do what you gotta do.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 11/12/12 at 1:20pm

Was it a franchise? If not, you are not allowed to comment.

[AbbyNormal13]

Posted: 11/12/12 at 1:24pm

"You mean Oregon, the highly Republican, blue state?"

You realize blue states are liberal states, right? Almost 20% of our BLUE STATE population is on welfare. No person, or very few people, democrat or republican, who are on welfare and aren't planning on getting off it any time soon is going to vote for someone who is going to cut their welfare. That's a huge part of why obama won. There's so many people on welfare under obama, more than any other president. He encourages living off the government and getting government assistance and relying on the government for everything, now including health care.

And I never said I own a franchise, the people who I know own plenty, and we have heard from them first hand how difficult it is and how there's not as much money to be made as people think. They take the money they make and open new franchises to create more jobs. How many of you do that? They could just pocket it and keep it for themselves, but they don't.

"Decent people--unlike yourself--have determined that our nation is wealthy enough to provide financial assistance to people who require it. In order to qualify for assistance, you need to be poor. You don't need to promise to eat well or be sober."

There's a reason why our country is in so much debt. There's so many people on welfare we can't afford to continue on this path and borrow from China. When there's almost more people who don't pay taxes than pay taxes, we're going to continue to be in debt and dig ourselves a deeper hole.

[AbbyNormal13]

Posted: 11/12/12 at 1:29pm

"The MAXIMUM for a Mom with a kid is $367. Try living on $367 a month food budget and then come back here and talk about how easy these freeloaders have it."

That's not the same everywhere. A guy I met at work last month moved here from california and immediately went on food stamps and between he and his roommate they get $500 a month, even though they both make plenty of money to buy their own food, they just choose not to, but they still have plenty of money for weed. That's what he told me, I'm not making this up.

Posted: 11/12/12 at 1:30pm

Abby, "Franchise owners" (by which I think you mean business owners) are indeed pocketing it and keeping it for themselves. Corporate profits are at an all-time high just as tax rates and investment is at an all-time low.

And you are woefully uninformed about how "welfare" works. I work at a non-profit and see LOTS of folks who are on "welfare." The #1 reason is that the father of their child has abandoned them and they need help to get through the first few years of their children's life. And STILL that time is extremely difficult and they must stick to VERY tight budgets to survive.

Posted: 11/12/12 at 1:32pm

What state do you live in Abby? I'll be happy to find out what food stamp assistance is available there so we can sort out that story.

[AbbyNormal13]

Posted: 11/12/12 at 1:35pm

I live in Oregon. I'm telling you what he told me, I'm not on welfare so I don't know first hand how much you get, but I believe it, he had no reason to lie to me.