#26
Posted: 7/20/12 at 3:37pm
Spoilers:
First to reply to romantico's post:
Batman did not know that about Bane then, hence why the next round they fought he aimed for the mask.
Duh... Batman gets the **** kicked out of him by Bane, the image of his back breaking is a the trademark of Bane's villainy.
Yes, it is a medical miracle what happened to him but he was not in good shape to begin with and the next time he knew what to do rather than trying to outdo a brute.
I am curious to know your other complaints were as far as story? Was it Talia?
Now onto the film:
This film relates far more to Batman Begins than The Dark Knight and I think the film had to outright state it with the Ra's al-Ghul flashback. I thought it was superfluous. Just show Josh Spence with the beard and let Talia make the connection instead of misdirection. But I guess the gap between the films required that to be done. The review on io9, that I read after the film, did make mention that you should probably go in with Batman Begins fresher in the brain.
The football scene was the Hong Kong scene in the last film. I understand testing the bomb but from the moment I saw it in the trailers I thought Michael Bay.
Yes, I think Alfred would leave in this universe. Bruce is alone and Alfred not wanting to see a love one die by destroying himself. Think of seeing a recovering addict relapse under your watch.
I actually thought this was Bale's best performance as both Bruce Wayne and Batman and I put that on Anne Hathaway's Selina Kyle being his foil. I know understand if Harry Knowles just thought she was fine, he didn't like the film. To me, it showed what Batman/Bruce was missing. Harry seemed to like Talia more but that would almost require a whole movie of that character canon. Making her her father's daughter by tricking Bruce Wayne in a number of ways, including villain misdirection (BB with Scarecrow's psychological/chemical warfare, TDKR with Bane's all-out warfare) and identity makes sense. But back to Hathaway, she was definitely the best part in the film and gave Batman a much needed kick in the pants.
JGL was good but he is like a cocktail of spare parts to all the Robins, mainly Jason Todd minus the troubled, outlaw period with some of Jim Gordon in Batman: Year One. I wish they just gave him one of the names rather than Robin John Blake . I mean he could have been named Tim Drake and it would not dawn on people besides comic readers of who that was as many just think Dick Grayson if at all. That said it was a passing comment that was not too big of a deal.
I actually thought although Bane is a brute and the body count is ridiculous (I still cannot believe Knowles thought more people died in TDK) but nowhere as dark as The Joker. He had no plans but destruction and using fear to turn on each other, more guerrilla and unpredictable. Talia and Bane's world is like Robespierre's France and I can see why Nolan made the connection to A Tale of Two Cities with this story.
I liked the film. It clearly threaded the roots of the character as Nolan saw it and finally gave a good foil, strong, female character that Nolan left aside too long. If people are thinking it is a continuation of TDK or have TDK expectations, I can understand the disappointment. But I liked it and to me it was clear how the characters were design or there more than some of the first two films with ancillary characters both original and from the comics that just felt misused and unnecessary. I even liked the ending which I knew from word of mouth at the midnight screenings was polarizing. I'm glad he didn't die. Now that would have been dark.
First to reply to romantico's post:
Batman did not know that about Bane then, hence why the next round they fought he aimed for the mask.
Duh... Batman gets the **** kicked out of him by Bane, the image of his back breaking is a the trademark of Bane's villainy.
Yes, it is a medical miracle what happened to him but he was not in good shape to begin with and the next time he knew what to do rather than trying to outdo a brute.
I am curious to know your other complaints were as far as story? Was it Talia?
Now onto the film:
This film relates far more to Batman Begins than The Dark Knight and I think the film had to outright state it with the Ra's al-Ghul flashback. I thought it was superfluous. Just show Josh Spence with the beard and let Talia make the connection instead of misdirection. But I guess the gap between the films required that to be done. The review on io9, that I read after the film, did make mention that you should probably go in with Batman Begins fresher in the brain.
The football scene was the Hong Kong scene in the last film. I understand testing the bomb but from the moment I saw it in the trailers I thought Michael Bay.
Yes, I think Alfred would leave in this universe. Bruce is alone and Alfred not wanting to see a love one die by destroying himself. Think of seeing a recovering addict relapse under your watch.
I actually thought this was Bale's best performance as both Bruce Wayne and Batman and I put that on Anne Hathaway's Selina Kyle being his foil. I know understand if Harry Knowles just thought she was fine, he didn't like the film. To me, it showed what Batman/Bruce was missing. Harry seemed to like Talia more but that would almost require a whole movie of that character canon. Making her her father's daughter by tricking Bruce Wayne in a number of ways, including villain misdirection (BB with Scarecrow's psychological/chemical warfare, TDKR with Bane's all-out warfare) and identity makes sense. But back to Hathaway, she was definitely the best part in the film and gave Batman a much needed kick in the pants.
JGL was good but he is like a cocktail of spare parts to all the Robins, mainly Jason Todd minus the troubled, outlaw period with some of Jim Gordon in Batman: Year One. I wish they just gave him one of the names rather than Robin John Blake . I mean he could have been named Tim Drake and it would not dawn on people besides comic readers of who that was as many just think Dick Grayson if at all. That said it was a passing comment that was not too big of a deal.
I actually thought although Bane is a brute and the body count is ridiculous (I still cannot believe Knowles thought more people died in TDK) but nowhere as dark as The Joker. He had no plans but destruction and using fear to turn on each other, more guerrilla and unpredictable. Talia and Bane's world is like Robespierre's France and I can see why Nolan made the connection to A Tale of Two Cities with this story.
I liked the film. It clearly threaded the roots of the character as Nolan saw it and finally gave a good foil, strong, female character that Nolan left aside too long. If people are thinking it is a continuation of TDK or have TDK expectations, I can understand the disappointment. But I liked it and to me it was clear how the characters were design or there more than some of the first two films with ancillary characters both original and from the comics that just felt misused and unnecessary. I even liked the ending which I knew from word of mouth at the midnight screenings was polarizing. I'm glad he didn't die. Now that would have been dark.
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