The OFFICIAL Project Runway Predictions/Final Runway Thread- Page 3

[TheHumanTorch]

Posted: 3/9/06 at 6:47am

if you download Tim Gunn's podcast, it's about forty minutes long, its really interesting to hear his perspective

he LOVED santino's line, but said there was no way in hell the judges could let him win because the third season would turn into "project freak show" and i completely agree. His main point that it was all up to the taste and style of the judges because the designers were on "an even playing field"

[touchmeinthemorning]

Posted: 3/9/06 at 8:53am

They didn't pick Daniel because he was young. I am convinced of it. His designs were better, his execution was right up there with both Santino and Chloe.

Chloe should have gotten last place.

Santino's designs were the best, but I dont like him as a person, and Daniel's design were wonderful, and I like him, so I'd pick him -- even though Santino is a better designer, he isn't a better businessman.

[Garland Grrrl]

Posted: 3/9/06 at 9:09am

i understand why they picked chloe but i am not interested in her clothes at all. i was bored and disinterested in the finals.

chloe's line, except for grace's dress looked like upholstery fabric. the dresses reminded me of what church-ladies used to wear on sunday -- just missinng the big, crown hats. hated all of it except the dress she made w/ diana.
the only things in dan's line i liked were the white pea coat and the dress he made w/ nick and i'm sure nick's influence is why i liked it. i feel as if i've seen his clothes before.

andrae was my favorite over all and i would like to see his next line.

Updated On: 3/9/06 at 09:09 AM

[bta212]

Posted: 3/9/06 at 10:40am

Just downloaded my Tim's podcoast--looking forward to a long dog walk with Tim whispering in my ear....

It's interesting to me to reflect on the fact that Daniel V is only 24 years old. They probably did him a HUGE favor giving this to someone else. He still has so much to learn about every aspect of the business. If I imagine having started my firm the year I graduated design school---yikes!!

Santino--what a conundrum he is! No doubt "talented", which is to say visual, creative, expressive. I was impressed that he recorded his own runway soundtrack. On the other hand, he has NO idea what to do (with regard to clothing) with women's breasts; his line was an exhaustive catalogue of failed solutions. Maybe he will learn. Maybe his future is in men's wear. Maybe he should be an industrial designer. I don't know the answer, but I know that he should not have won "Runway".

The judges' comments about Chloe opened my eyes to the shophistication of her construction and the beautiful fit of her clothes. Unfortunate that her line opened with that grotesque Oompa-Loompah outfit. I stand by my earlier assessment--"workmanlike". She is a talented dressmaker. Is she an inspired, truly maverick designer? I'd say no.

I suspect the exciting choice was eliminated at some point. Kara's garden party dress was such a revelation to me--perhaps she had the goods. But such a boring, withdrawn personality. She'd never make it. I loved Andrae's puddle dress. The other Daniel had some great pieces.

How beautiful did Heidi look last night? Such a pretty girl....

[DottieD'Luscia]

Posted: 3/9/06 at 11:24am

You have to remember that Daniel got a personal invitation from Michael Kors, which I think just might take him further in the long run. Who better to learn from, than someone already established (and successful) in the fashion business.

[javero]

Posted: 3/9/06 at 11:31am

I’m so happy that Chloe came through for me. OK let me admit up front that I found her 1st piece aka Dynasty knockoff troubling. The color/fabric combo was striking but it looked dated making me instantly think of catfights between Alexis, Crystal and Dominique. It goes without saying that her 13th spur-of-the-moment piece was abominable & unimaginative. She was simply tapped out. Daniel V. nailed that one with Santino closely trailing, thanks to their visionary partners in crime Nick & Andre. After that Chloe left the others in the dust with explanation following.

Nobody can dispute Chloe’s business acumen despite the fact that several colleagues of mine scoff at the notion that that attribute somehow trumps vision ala Santino and raw talent ala Daniel V. But, both vision and talent have to be tempered with practicality & utility in order to succeed in the rag business. Chloe has an existing client base and knows what real women wear. Her practicality will be well received by retailers and I don’t see haute couture out of the realm of possibility for her once she’s firmly established and can take a few more risks. She was the one who nailed Heidi’s final question by deadpanning that a win would bolster her business, plain and simple without belittling the other two, a touch of class that scored major points with me. She’s someone that I would like to work with in any setting because I know she can deliver the goods and is not a total biatch.

What set Chloe’s line apart from the other two to me was that it accentuated the female figure in a flattering way resulting in her models looking like women not little girls playing dress-up. Perhaps it’s due to in part to Chloe’s own maturity and comfort as a woman that she is keenly aware of what flatters a woman’s body. Neither she nor her 7 sisters appear to be 6’ tall stick women so I suspect that she grew up tweaking a lot of stuff off the rack for her sisters and herself. I agree with Heidi in that her execution is usually spot on and her attention to details mind boggling. The hems and cuts of her garments are strategically placed to show off the feminine form in a sultry but not vulgar way. I would love to see what Chloe could do for a woman with an hour glass figure like Jennifer Lopez or Shoshanna Bean.

I don’t mean to discount Santino but his line was comprised of ill-fitting pieces creativity notwithstanding though his choice of fabrics was perfect (except that brown number). Likewise, I don’t mean to knock Daniel V. who I still think is the most talented overall of the lot, followed by Nick, Chloe, Zulema, Santino and Kara. However, Daniel V. should be shot (joking here) for serving up that Geisha-meets-Star Trek-meets-West Point disjointed line. He was blinded by his own vision while Santino simply outwitted himself. An earlier posted chalked up Santino perfectly with the assessment that he tried to play the wild visionary creative dynamo bit up to the finale and rein it in at the last moment. Both blew hot and cold throughout the season up to the finale. To close, I think that Chloe’s consistency was duly rewarded. She’s got room to grow creatively with technical mastery to spare; the other two are diamonds in the rough still.

Updated On: 3/9/06 at 11:31 AM

[peach]

Posted: 3/9/06 at 11:41am

I didn't care for Chloe's line at all, but watching the clothes move, they seemed the most professionally made, they fit the models well, and looked 100% finished. Some of Daniel's and Santino's still looked a bit raw.

Personally, I wouldn't wear anything in Chloe's line (I'd wear some of Santino's, some of Daniel's), and while I may not agree with the judges' decision, I can understand why the judges chose her.

Given his youth, and that he's obviously talented, Daniel V. will only improve. In a few years, I think we are going to see great things from him.

Santino - I always kind of liked him, and I loved some of the dresses in his line. He is creative, he has vision, which will do him well.

Updated On: 3/9/06 at 11:41 AM

[DottieD'Luscia]

Posted: 3/9/06 at 11:57am

To me, Project Runway is one of the better reality programs out there. I thought all 3 designers did a wonderful job and it would have been nice to see their lines in person.

[Borstalboy]

Posted: 3/9/06 at 12:36pm

I waited up til midnight for this??

Let's hope next year's designers are better.

[Garland Grrrl]

Posted: 3/9/06 at 1:00pm

do "real women" dress like couches? apparently.
when has fashion ever bothered with "real women". the average woman in the US is a size 14. chloe's fabrics did not move. i think tim was spot on in his blog.

[javero]

Posted: 3/9/06 at 1:47pm

OK peeps...quick question. Do you dislike Chloe's line on stylistic grounds or technical shortcomings? Here in the office, we seem to be divided along the generation line. Folks 40 and above (which includes me) think that Chloe's line is elegant & tasteful while folks under 40 think it's boring & unimaginative. I don't like to put people in boxes but am curious to know what you and your peers think about Chloe's line specifically. Fire away please.

[SonofMammaMiaSam]

Posted: 3/9/06 at 1:53pm

I loved it and had her picked to win. I'm over 40

[Garland Grrrl]

Posted: 3/9/06 at 2:12pm

i'm not quite your age but i am not "young" either. you can't fault chloe for execution, but i thought the clothes were stiff and i didn't find anything witty or ironic in the retro slhouette. i liked some of her stuff on the show (her outfit for the banana republic challenge was one of the top 3 garments all season imo) and i found these clothes out of character for her, as tim mentions in his blog.
btw -- i love chloe's model and i'm glad she won an ELLE spread. grace was the fiercest walker and she knew how to work the clothes. (remember how she reversed that little jacket on the runway without missing a beat? she is a PRO.)

[javero]

Posted: 3/9/06 at 2:15pm

Forgot to add that I gave Chloe mad props when she won the 'men's wear' competition and it was her 1st stab at it. She hooked Nick up and he totally flopped in a category that was supposed to be his forte. Chloe's got mad skillz!!!

[SonofMammaMiaSam]

Posted: 3/9/06 at 2:23pm

Which is why I picked her to win. She has amazing technical skills, business acumen, common sense, and a real sense of who she is and who her clients are. Not all successful designers are household names -- that may not be her ultimate goal. That doesn't mean she didn't deserve to win. She was consistent thoughout the entire series of challenges. BTW --the first "poof" number was a coat -- there was a gold dress underneath.

[bta212]

Posted: 3/9/06 at 2:27pm

Sidebar--Just listened to my Tim's podcast (Thanks, Torch). Anyone who cares about the show and hasn't listened to Tim's commentary--hook yourself up, ASAP. So interesting, funny, sweet. All the things Tim is. And the comments about Daniel Franco are priceless!

[DramaDork925]

Posted: 3/9/06 at 2:31pm

I ned liked Chloe's designs... sure they're nice, but they're boring. Her line was, IMO, the worst of the three. I liked Daniel's the best (though I think I'd wear anything from Santino's). I don't think Chloe really needed or even truely wanted it. Is it my imagination or didn't she say once that she didn't think she was cut out for being the next greatest American designer? I think both Santino and Daniel are going to go very far.

[Garland Grrrl]

Posted: 3/9/06 at 2:42pm

one of my favorite quotes from tim is when he called marla a sociopath. that was laugh out loud funny.

[doodlenyc]

Posted: 3/9/06 at 2:51pm

Kara, actually, deserved to win.
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Santino should not have been in the finals to begin with. He should have been kicked out of the competition 3 seperate times, instead of the other Daniel, Nick and Kara.

I was very glad that he was the first out. I hated both his and Daniel's answer to what their vision was....and I didnt see it in the clothes. Chloe stated she was doing her dream collection of all evening wear. I hated the Dynasty stuff too, but some of it was interesting and all of it was beautifully made.

Daniel disappointed me (Japanese and Military?), and I didn't think he should've won all of the challenges either (Andre deserved to win for the "inspiration" design.) Still, he is so talented and young, and will do just fine.

[DottieD'Luscia]

Posted: 3/9/06 at 2:57pm

Quick threadjack: Doodle, love the avatar!!

Now back to Project Runway.

[doodlenyc]

Posted: 3/9/06 at 3:08pm

Thanks, Dottie...our little ice princess!

BTW, Project Runway is the best reality show...and Heidi was SO much better as a host this season.

[DottieD'Luscia]

Posted: 3/9/06 at 3:20pm

Know what I find interesting, at the fashion week presentations they showed Jay, Austin and Kara Saun, but again, no Wendy. Even though she was a finalist last season, it seems like she has been banished from Project Runway.

[doodlenyc]

Posted: 3/9/06 at 4:21pm

Maybe she didnt want to go...I never got why everyone hated her so much. I dont think she was that hateful...Santino was worse, IMO.

[Garland Grrrl]

Posted: 3/9/06 at 4:23pm

wendy makes a cameo in PROJECT JAY.

[VIETgrlTerifa]

Posted: 3/9/06 at 4:25pm

Well Javero, I'm 21 and I totally thought Chloe deserved to win.
The line itself isn't my style, but I loved how well fitted and how for the most part, they were extremely flattering for the models. I would wear many pieces in her line, just not all of them. The only one that was bad was the first one, but then she did say they were all removable, so I can see you taking a piece from another dress in the collection and putting it together with another dress in the same collection.

I think it's easy to have vision. It's not easy to make that vision work in real life. What good is Santino's conceptual designs if it's only flattering on a stick figure on paper? Fashion is much more than just masturbating to your own visual creativity and forcing it to fit on a real woman.

Chloe just needs more confidence, and I think once she has the prize money, she'll be able to take her designs to a new level. I think she's been stuck in a mode where she had to make a living for so long that she's still a bit scared to fully put her all into it.

I think people who say they won't buy anything from Chloe are ignoring what she did throughout the show. I mean they may not be your style, but they're not all 80s Dynasty style dresses. Chloe just seemed to do that for her own fantasy evening line that she said she was never able to do before. She's capable of more, and I think she's been the most consistent throughout the show.

IMO, Daniel V. is the most talented one of the top three. No question about it in my mind. But he's not ready to be the next big designer because he still has problems with knowing what looks good and what doesn't. HE can be absolutely incredible, and he could really make stupid choices that totally ruins everything.

I think everyone would agree that the top 3 were disappointing and all three, with maybe the exception of Santino because the only thing that would be different is outrageous designs that were ill-fitted, were capable of so much more.

In order to stop this from happening again, maybe they should stop doing the elimination format and just let the same people do all of the challenges and do Fashion Week, and have the judges decide a winner based on the whole show rather than potentionally eliminating the most talented contestant early on because they made one bad dress.