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clinton vs. sanders your vote?
#325Clinton vs. Sanders your vote?
Posted: 6/27/15 at 3:36pm
He's running as a Democrat. So voting for him is not voting for a Republican or a third party protest vote. No matter how hard PJ tries to make that so.
And speaking of flip flopping. Gay rights is another issue Sanders HASN'T flipped flopped on...unlike some other Democratic candidates.
#326Clinton vs. Sanders your vote?
Posted: 6/27/15 at 7:32pm
The third-party protest thing only comes into play when Hillary wins the nomination IF Bernie decides to continue running as an Independent.
A number of my Hillary-hating (non-conservative) friends have indicated that they Hillary-hate her sooooooooooooo much that they would vote for him as a third-party candidate even if he is not even running as one.
Or not vote.
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#327Clinton vs. Sanders your vote?
Posted: 6/28/15 at 12:55am
That's great because when the Republican wins you know what he won't do? Light up the White House like a gaudy electric rainbow. Won't that be so much better? And there won't be any tussles with that genius Supreme Court Justice Scalia when the new appointees look up to him as a gee-wazza-digereedoo linguist and scholar. Won't that be so much better?
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#328Clinton vs. Sanders your vote?
Posted: 6/28/15 at 8:00am
Hooray for straw man arguments!
Insert choice of eye roll gif here.
Updated On: 6/28/15 at 08:00 AM#329Clinton vs. Sanders your vote?
Posted: 6/28/15 at 8:08am
If you vote against the Democratic candidate in NOVEMBER--or you sit out the election--you're voting for a conservative Supreme Court.
It's not straw-man anything. It's a fact.
#330Clinton vs. Sanders your vote?
Posted: 6/28/15 at 8:13am
I've never advocated not voting nor has anyone else in this thread.
And I can vote for whoever I want to in November because I live in a state that votes overwhelming votes democratic.
So maybe instead of straw man arguments you guys can start coming up with reasons to vote for Hillary. Or is that too hard?
#332Clinton vs. Sanders your vote?
Posted: 7/7/15 at 5:37pm
PJ, you have no idea how much Bernie resonates with the Democratic base, the kind that show up for primaries. I recommend you get on board. Do you want to be in tune with the people who care, or is your sole purpose to nominate someone you think is electable? A Jew could never win the White House? That's your rationale? How about being honest to your values?
Stephanatic
Updated On: 7/7/15 at 05:37 PM
#334Clinton vs. Sanders your vote?
Posted: 7/8/15 at 8:19am
"A Jew could never win the White House?"
Don't misquote me. I said an septuagenarian SOCIALIST Jew could never be elected in a general election.
Don't make me out to be a self-hating Jew. That's a blood libel.
#335Clinton vs. Sanders your vote?
Posted: 7/9/15 at 5:44pm
Sanders is for poor people, and so am I.
Stephanatic
#336Clinton vs. Sanders your vote?
Posted: 7/9/15 at 6:47pm
Bernie is really doing well. Of course, we've all seen Presidential campaigns in which a candidate peaks early. I'm not saying that will happen with Bernie, just that it's still early. I wonder if/when the Clinton campaign will go on the attack. Thus far, they've just been dismissive, but if he keeps making gains like this, they're going to have to have to get more aggressive.
#337Clinton vs. Sanders your vote?
Posted: 7/9/15 at 7:57pm
I want Bernie as my candidate. If he loses we'll get them next time, or the time after that. We need to change the debate, we can't have these Clinton's and Obama's. They are magnifying class division.
Stephanatic
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#339Clinton vs. Sanders your vote?
Posted: 7/9/15 at 9:42pm
lmojsao*
*Laughing my old Jewish socialist ass off
#340Clinton vs. Sanders your vote?
Posted: 7/9/15 at 10:46pm
"I say to everyone who supports Elizabeth Warren’s eminently reasonable positions on issues of basic fairness: hope is not lost. You do not have to throw up your hands in despair and slide your support over to Hillary Clinton. The inevitability of Hillary Clinton’s triumph is a facade, manufactured by a team of political consultants for the purpose of making her victory easier by encouraging any and all opponents to give up and fade away. There is absolutely no reason that progressives should lay down and surrender to Hillary Clinton—who is a calculating and talented politician who is better than a Republican, but who cannot be called a progressive if that term is to mean anything. Even as Hillary Clinton mouths platitudes about fighting inequality, her own legion of Wall Street backers does not take any of it seriously. “She’s not saying that a hedge fund manager shouldn’t be making what they’re making,” one financier shrugged to Politico. “Just that someone in another job shouldn’t be making 300 times less.”
#341Clinton vs. Sanders your vote?
Posted: 7/10/15 at 6:16am
"In the 2008 presidential race, Hillary Clinton made no excuses for the $2 million she collected from registered lobbyists, saying, "Based on my 35 years of fighting for what I believe in, I don’t think anybody seriously believes I'm going to be influenced by a lobbyist." But lobbyists would appear to have more than a little influence on her 2016 campaign. Not only is she still accepting donations from them—something President Obama declined to do in his 2008 and 2012 bids—but she is once again stocking her campaign with them.
There are at least six Clinton campaign staffers who, at one time or another, earned a paycheck as a registered lobbyist. They’ve lobbied for a range of controversial special interests, from the Keystone pipeline and Lehman Brothers to SeaWorld and some of the country's largest corporations."
Clinton's Top Aides Have Lobbied for Companies Liberals Despise
#342Clinton vs. Sanders your vote?
Posted: 7/10/15 at 1:48pm
While Bernie gets cozy with the NRA, Hillary is the only candidate to stand up to them:
“I’m going to speak out against the uncontrollable use of guns in our country because I believe we can do better,” Clinton said Tuesday in Iowa City.
A few days earlier, she said in Hanover, N.H.: “We have to take on the gun lobby…. This is a controversial issue. I am well aware of that. But I think it is the height of irresponsibility not to talk about it.”
Bernie's history of support for gun rights puts him further to the right on this issue than some Republicans.
MSNBC: Hillary Clinton bucks trend, confronts NRA
#343Clinton vs. Sanders your vote?
Posted: 7/10/15 at 4:57pm
That's your comeback, Hillary is currently tougher on the NRA?
Stephanatic
#346Clinton vs. Sanders your vote?
Posted: 7/12/15 at 2:27am
If Hillary dosen't get on board with income redistribution what difference is there between her and Bush?
Stephanatic
#347Clinton vs. Sanders your vote?
Posted: 7/12/15 at 9:00am
If Bernie doesn't turn his back on guns, what's the difference between him and a (septuagenarian) Rick Perry?
#348Clinton vs. Sanders your vote?
Posted: 7/12/15 at 9:16am
Hillary is delivering a major speech on the economy tomorrow (Monday), in which she attacks corporations and the 1%. Here's a sneak preview:
The second part of Clinton’s strategy will address inequality, a hot issue in progressive circles, although her focus will remain on the middle class rather than the poor. She will argue that vast concentrations of wealth in relatively few hands actually squelch economic growth, and that the current rules of the road tend to reward financial trading rather than manufacturing and other more productive activities. She will propose to expand on Obama’s high-income tax hikes, while also pushing measures to fight wage theft, raise the minimum wage, encourage profit-sharing for workers, and support collective bargaining by unions.
#349Clinton vs. Sanders your vote?
Posted: 7/12/15 at 9:22am
Focus on the poor Mrs. Clinton, don't write them off.
Stephanatic
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