clinton vs. sanders your vote?- Page 21

[HorseTears]

Posted: 8/11/15 at 3:51pm

I'm not in anyone's camp.  I probably have a slight preference for Bernie, actually,  but I'll happily support Clinton if she lands the nomination.  Look, Clinton's a savvy woman.  She can clearly see that her party and, to some extent, the country has moved further left.  I think a 2016 Clinton is going to be a hell of a lot more liberal than a 2008 Clinton would have been.  

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 8/11/15 at 3:52pm

Just like with the 2012 Obama vs. the 2008 Obama? Oh, wait... 

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 8/11/15 at 4:03pm

That 2012 Democratic primary sure was something!

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 8/11/15 at 4:20pm

Ah, you assume that I am incorrectly speaking of something that never actually happened. Nope, sorry. To be more clear for those acting especially obtuse today like PRS, I was referring to the presidential election (i.e. 2008 Obama primary/presidential campaign & 2012 Obama presidential campaign). Not a nonexistent primary. Decent attempt at a small chuckle, though! 

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 8/11/15 at 4:20pm

Except that HorseTears was talking about Clinton in the primary.  

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 8/11/15 at 4:23pm

A primary campaign and presidential campaign are similar enough for a comparison like this... but my MOST SINCERE APOLOGIES for taking some freedom with my analysis by throwing in a presidential campaign.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 8/11/15 at 4:24pm

 

cronies...f*cking hypocrites...pathetic

Headband--do you think you could TRY discussing politics without personal invective?

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[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 8/11/15 at 4:26pm

A primary campaign and presidential campaign are similar enough for a comparison like this.

Not really

[HorseTears]

Posted: 8/11/15 at 4:54pm

Listen, Lorna's Garterbelt, this may come as a great shock to you, but it is quite possible to like both Clinton and Sanders.  Guess what, I do.  I would enthusiastically - not begrudgingly - support either one of them after the primary.  I find a lot of what Sanders says inspiring, but I don't have a hero complex with my politicians.  I don't need them to be perfect, impeachable absolutists.  

 

I also don't buy into the general critiques of Clinton or Sanders coming from both camps.  I recognize that anti-semitism is still prevalent and that "socialist" is a dirty word for a lot of people, but I also do believe that Bernie's anti-cronyism message can appeal to people across party lines.  I also don't buy the argument that he would be an ineffective leader because he's so "far left".  Firstly, he's actually not that far left, he's just "left".  And, secondly, the dude's had a successful Senate career for many years.  He's built relationships on the Hill and he knows how to - when necessary - compromise.

 

With Clinton, I fully recognize that she's more cozy with Wall Street and Big Biz and that she's taken her own sweet time to become more openly progressive.  I also recognize that she's a slick, savvy politician who knows how to play the smoke n mirrors game better than most.  But, I'm a pragmatic person, to me that is a skillset that I see as being incredibly valuable in a role as complex and demanding as the presidency.  I don't buy into the narrative that she'll only be slightly better than Jeb.  The differences between their presidencies would be night and day.  Jeb is - very smartly, I grant you - now positioning himself as the anti-war Repub in his condemnation of W's Iraq War and the Obama admin (and Clinton as Secretary of State's) subsequent inattentiveness to the growing threat of ISIS - but I don't buy that line for a second.  You're right that, in some respects, Obama got more conservative (or revealed himself to be more pragmatic) as his administration continued.  I think Clinton could surprise us all by doing the opposite by slowing getting more progressive.  

 

At the end of the day, a President's influence over the national economy is greatly overexaggerated.  Beyond not starting another disastrous foreign war, I think the most important decision the eventual 2016 candidate will make is choosing the next several SCOTUS justices.  And I'll frankly be fine with Clinton or Sanders' picks in that respect.  I think Jeb's (or Cruz or Walker etc.)'s picks would have the potential to turn this country into a true oligarchy.  So, for now, I support both Sanders and Clinton.  

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[HorseTears]

Posted: 8/11/15 at 4:54pm

delete.  duplicate. 

Updated On: 8/11/15 at 04:54 PM

[South Florida]

Posted: 8/11/15 at 4:58pm

^ well put, and obtuse is getting overused.

[South Florida]

Posted: 8/11/15 at 5:26pm

Madbrian seems cool, but when you start your post with "Here's the thing:". you look arrogant.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 8/11/15 at 8:31pm

"^ well put, and obtuse is getting overused."

 

It wasn't overused until the Headband overused it.

 

[Phillypinto]

Posted: 8/12/15 at 3:53am

SANDERS!!

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 8/12/15 at 7:22am

"Washington (CNN)Bernie Sanders has for the first time pulled ahead of Hillary Clinton in New Hampshire, according to a poll released Tuesday.

Sanders topped Clinton with 44% compared to her 37% support among likely Democratic primary voters, according to a Franklin Pierce University/Boston Herald poll."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/12/politics/poll-bernie-sanders-hilary-clinton-new-hampshire/index.html

[madbrian]

Posted: 8/12/15 at 7:31am

"Madbrian seems cool, but when you start your post with "Here's the thing:". you look arrogant."

 

Really?  Not my intent, but note taken.

[Reginald Tresilian]

Posted: 8/12/15 at 8:02am

^ It never occurred to me.

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 8/12/15 at 8:40am

Since when should one take note from a homophobic bigot who claims to be "open-minded," but criticizes posters for sharing pictures of beautiful men?  Madbrian -- pay no attention to that POS. 

[PalJoey]

Posted: 8/12/15 at 2:37pm

Stop calling people on this board a POS, you POS.

[madbrian]

Posted: 8/12/15 at 2:48pm

How about we all go back to discussing something less confrontational, like politics?  Lately, Jeb Bush has been sounding A LOT like his brother in his comments on foreign policy.  I would think he would try to avoid this at all costs.

[South Florida]

Posted: 8/12/15 at 3:04pm

Apparently you can call anybody anything you want on these boards and not be held accountable.  Some of us have feelings ya know.  Obtuse is not a nice word.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 8/12/15 at 3:14pm

You should give yourself a break from the boards. 

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 8/12/15 at 4:16pm

^^^ THIS.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 8/12/15 at 5:13pm

Many Bernie Sanders supports are openly pro-choice.  Just sayin'.

[Phillypinto]

Posted: 8/12/15 at 5:41pm

Sanders is ahead in New Hampshire