clinton vs. sanders your vote?- Page 23

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 8/14/15 at 2:38pm

"She still smells like roses. It's only the false accusations and misogyny that smell bad."

Ha! She smells great especially if you're a Wall Street lovin War Hawk!

 

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[Borstalboy]

Posted: 8/15/15 at 4:51pm

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 8/15/15 at 8:57pm

I must just have oddball socialist friends, (all pro-choice and anti-big-game-trophy hunting) because I see more Bernie than any other candidate.

[HorseTears]

Posted: 8/16/15 at 3:23am

Yeah, agreed^.  I think the first point is outdated and inaccurate now.  Bernie gets tons of media attention now - especially for the massive, enthusiastic crowds he draws, his impressive fundraising efforts and his rise in many polls.  But, I do think the second point is quite fair.  Yeah, we all know it's almost guaranteed that Hillary has this nomination tied up, but it does seem a bit unfair that Bernie's candidacy is almost always discussed in the context how of how his run will affect the presumed nominee.  

 

Speaking of her, I love how forcefully she came out against the Benghazi and email-gate witch hunts in her Iowa speech.  Take those gloves off.  More of this Hills, please.  

 

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 8/17/15 at 10:16am

"At a July town hall meeting in New Hampshire, a voter asked Hillary Clinton her position on the Keystone Pipeline. She said if it were still undecided when she took office she’d let him know then. Perhaps a poll told her it was the right thing to say. She has lately tried to engage Jeb Bush and Marco in some debate like sparring, but so far it isn’t worth a listen. Bernie Sanders is trying to engage Clinton, the Democratic Party and the country in a debate worth having. To draw them in he’ll need all the help he can get."

http://www.salon.com/2015/08/17/hillarys_in_danger_trump_is_sunk_the_hard_truths_america_is_ignoring_this_election_season_thanks_to_the/

Hillary’s in danger, Trump is sunk: The hard truths America is ignoring this election season

[BrerBear]

Posted: 8/17/15 at 4:19pm

Points three and four of that image are the most salient.

Sanders' poll numbers rise because he remains largely unscrutinized and unknown. Clinton has had every possible attack flung at her for 20 years now, and weathered them fairly well. There isn't a lot of undiscovered dirt left, and mostly it just doesn't stick any more. 

Sanders is another story. The Republicans are wisely holding back their attacks on him because a stronger Sanders is a win-win for them. If he weakens Clinton's fundraising and backing, that's a win. If he somehow got the nomination, for the Republicans that's a dancing-in-the-aisles win. 

The Republican machine would grind Candidate Sanders to dust. This is the same force that turned decorated war hero John Kerry into a traitor with the Swift Boat campaign. The same group that successfully mobilizes the country against single payer health care even when a majority profess to wanting it. All of the traits that draw progressives to Sanders will be used to turn him into an enemy of the state. Sanders vs. Bush/Rubio/Walker would be an epic thrashing for the Democrats.

I don't like Republican policies at all, but I begrudgingly respect their talent at exploiting naive Democratic voters to get what they want. 

[TheatreDiva90016]

Posted: 8/17/15 at 5:03pm

I'm really hoping that the American public is waking up to the fact that the Republitards have been lying to them for years.  I've never seen such backlash as they have been facing lately.  And most of it from other Republicans who are sick of the BS.

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 8/17/15 at 5:09pm

"If he weakens Clinton's fundraising and backing, that's a win. If he somehow got the nomination, for the Republicans that's a dancing-in-the-aisles win."

That would be weird considering Sanders has been beating every GOP candidate in national polls. In some cases by wider margins than Clinton. And I would imagine any of the presumptive GOP nominees would rather debate Clinton over Sanders.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/latest-national-poll-shows-bernie-sanders-beating-scott-walker-donald-trump-jeb-bush

[South Florida]

Posted: 8/17/15 at 5:40pm

 

"I don't like Republican policies at all, but I begrudgingly respect their talent at exploiting naive Democratic voters to get what they want. "

That would make everyone who votes for Sanders naive.  The Republicans have a talent alright and it's called cheating.  You're off base here.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 8/17/15 at 10:18pm

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 8/17/15 at 10:50pm

OMG me too

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 8/17/15 at 10:56pm

I SUPPORT AMERICA!

[mikec3]

Posted: 8/17/15 at 11:31pm

Hillary is the only one who could win a general election !

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 8/18/15 at 7:03am

Hillary Clinton Assured Drop In Polls Just Indication People Haven’t Abandoned Ideals Yet

WASHINGTON—Amidst a recent decline in support from likely primary voters, presidential candidate Hillary Clinton was assured by campaign staffers Monday that her drop in the polls was merely an indication that people have not yet abandoned their ideals. “Don’t worry, voters are just hesitant to give up on their most cherished principles at this point in the race, but give it a few months,” said Clinton aide Patricia Bartley, reassuring the current Democratic frontrunner that surging support for Bernie Sanders would plummet once people discarded their dream of electing a leader as committed to progressive ideas as they were. “By January, when almost all Democrats have bitterly come to accept that anything less than forfeiting what matters to them most will probably put Jeb Bush in the White House, they’ll be back on your side.” Bartley went on to say, however, that there might be cause for concern if voters were still somehow clinging to their deep-seated convictions this time next year.

http://www.theonion.com/article/hillary-clinton-assured-drop-polls-just-indication-51111

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[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 8/18/15 at 8:30am

^ Love. 

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 8/18/15 at 9:29am

Bernie = Nader 2

 

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 8/18/15 at 10:35am

"Bernie = Nader 2

LOL! No.Talk about comparing apples to oranges. Nader ran 3rd party. Bernie Sanders has repeatedly said he would not run on a 3rd party ticket. Of all the differences between them that's the most obvious. 

"As I was contemplating what I’d do, one decision I had to make was, there were a lot of people telling me to run as an Independent. They said the Republican Party is an extreme right-wing party, and the Democratic Party is too conservative, too cozied-up to big money … and that I should run outside of the two party system.

I thought about it, but I reached the decision that the only way at this particular moment in history that we could run an effective campaign was within the Democratic primary and caucus system."

Sanders is committed to taking his case to the Democratic Party voters in caucuses and primaries. Sanders is “in it to win it.” However, if he does not win the Democratic nomination he plans to be a team player. Sanders has no intentions of becoming a sore loser by running a third party campaign that would split the votes on the left and thereby enable a Republican to win the White House."

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/07/31/sanders-rules-party-run-win-democratic-nomination.html

 

 

 

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Updated On: 8/18/15 at 10:35 AM

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 8/18/15 at 10:41am

I hope what he says now is true!  I hope the rush of power that any normal white American male feels when thousands show up at support rallies don't convince him that he should listen to their third party suggestions after primary season!

 

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 8/18/15 at 10:48am

I didn't think straw man arguments were your thing. 

The Ralph Nader Myth

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/06/1260721/-The-Nader-Myth#

 

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 8/18/15 at 11:19am

It still stings! 

[PalJoey]

Posted: 8/18/15 at 12:02pm

 

That old DailyKos article was clearly written by a Naderite, desperately using an avalanche of data to prove a false supposition.

 

Third parties siphon off votes--period. That is not a myth; that is reality, and it has been ever since Teddy Roosevelt's third party destroyed what was left of Abe Lincoln's Republican party. That GOP never came back.

 

But third parties siphon off something even more dangerous to political campaigns: They siphon off enthusiasm, which is the lifeblood and oxygen of any political campaign.

 

The sheer existence of the Nader campaign as a third party contributed to the FALSE conception that Al Gore was a Lurch-like dolt who didn't deserve the support of truly progressive Democrats. Al Gore would have been a good president, maybe a great one, certainly a better president than GW Bush.

 

The existence of that third party enabled Bush to win. That is not a myth.

 

I hope Bernie Sanders--and his white male Hillary-hating supporters--are serious about NOT forming a third party.

 

Because goddess help us all if they deliver another Republican president.

Updated On: 8/18/15 at 12:02 PM

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 8/18/15 at 12:07pm

And again, all of this third party talk is moot, because Sanders has said, over and over, that he will not run 3rd party. He's never even mentioned it as a possibility.

And at least you said Hillary hating and not misogynistic this time. A step in the right direction. 

[PalJoey]

Posted: 8/18/15 at 12:08pm

I typed "misogynistic" and then thought of you and erased it.

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 8/18/15 at 12:16pm

Thanks!!

"WASHINGTON -- Newly released video of Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's private meeting with Black Lives Matter activists in New Hampshire last week shows a testy exchange between Clinton and the activists.

In one of two clips of the meeting posted by Good Magazine on Monday, Clinton suggests that the activists need to have strong policy goals if they want to create real change, using the women's and gay rights movements as a comparison. 

One of the activists takes issue with her comments. "This is and has always been a white problem of violence. There's not much that we [black people] can do to stop the violence against us," Julius Jones of Black Lives Matter tells Clinton.

Clinton pushes back: "Respectfully, if that is your position, then I will only talk to white people about the very real problems."

Black Lives Matter Releases Video Of Closed-Door Meeting With Hillary Clinton

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-black-lives-matter_55d2ad41e4b055a6dab1453f?kvcommref=mostpopular

Updated On: 8/18/15 at 12:16 PM

[PalJoey]

Posted: 8/18/15 at 12:47pm

She is a true leader.