clinton vs. sanders your vote?- Page 51

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 10/16/15 at 9:08am

HorseTears said: "ErikJ972  - I'm actually surprised that Bernie didn't take the opportunity to go after Hillary on the points raised in that Rolling Stone article.  Her coziness and soft touch with banks (both real and perceived) could be a potential weakness.  It's definitely something he should be prepared to do at the next debate.  I appreciate his civility and his aversion to "negative" campaigning, but if his message is just going to be about policy and not about differentiating himself from the front runner, what is he doing at this point? "

Oh he will go after her on those points. I expect he'll also go after her for her horrible record on welfare reform and foreign policy.

But the Sanders campaign had one goal Tuesday night. To increase his exposure. Before Tuesday a majority of voters still didn't even know who he was. Judging by the online attention and the over 3 million he's raised, Tuesday was a big success for the Sanders campaign. 

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Bernie Sanders Met Sandra Bland's Mom And Didn't Tell Anyone

"He simply made space for a sacred moment, and then let it pass without trying to gain anything from it."

Remember the time Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) met with Sandra Bland's mother and shamelessly used it for political capital?

Neither do we, because -- though the Democratic presidential candidate apparently did meet Geneva Reed-Veal -- he didn't tell anyone about it. He did, however, promise to#SayHerName, which he did Tuesday during the first Democratic presidential debate."

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-sandra-bland_56201d82e4b06462a13b719d

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 10/16/15 at 9:09am

^^^ Just wants you to be disgusted enough that you don't vote at all. 

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 10/16/15 at 9:14am

Namo...I assume that's not directed at me since I have never advocated for not voting.

The worst thing Hillary Clinton has done

During the debate, Clinton touted her years at the Children's Defense Fund. Here's the truth she didn't talk about

"Politicians are often said to be skilled in the art of talking out of both sides of their mouths. This was exemplified in the first 2015 Democratic presidential debate, on the evening of Oct. 13. When asked which enemy he was most proud of, former Maryland Governor Martin O’Malley boldly declared “the NRA.”

The problem is O’Malley took $40,000 from the NRA in 2012, according to disclosures obtained by The Intercept.

Yet O’Malley is not the only candidate who says one thing and does another.

“I don’t take a back seat to anyone when it comes to progressive experience and progressive commitment,” Hillary Clinton insisted in the debate. “You know, when I left law school, my first job was with the Children’s Defense Fund, and for all the years since, I have been focused on how we’re going to un-stack the deck, and how we’re gonna make it possible for more people to have the experience I had.”

This is true — Clinton not only worked with Children’s Defense Fund (CDF), a non-profit advocacy organization that seeks to help American youth; she served as the head of its board.

Later in the debate — amid her hawkish rhetoric — Clinton twice more mentioned her work with CDF, wielding it as an example of her purportedly progressive policies.

The problem with Clinton’s claims, however, is that she betrayed children as First Lady. Under the guise of welfare reform, the Clinton administration worked with Republicans to gut social services, ignoring their own senior officials’ warnings that, by doing so, they would be plunging over a million children into poverty.

http://www.salon.com/2015/10/15/the_worst_thing_hillary_clinton_has_ever_done/

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 10/16/15 at 9:47am

It was aimed at the band but you snuck in before my post was done and up. 

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 10/16/15 at 9:52am

Oh Ok. My bad. Didn't see it's post before.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 10/16/15 at 11:04am

 

The only reason those online polls show Bernie "winning" is that Bernie has a lot of itchy-fingered gadget-addicts who enjoy skewing online polls.

 

 

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 10/16/15 at 11:08am

Lol I guess that explains the 3 million plus he raised off the debate too.

 

[PalJoey]

Posted: 10/18/15 at 4:06pm

 

Larry Sanders for president. Really.

 

 

 

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 10/18/15 at 6:53pm

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 10/18/15 at 9:50pm

Hey now!

[PalJoey]

Posted: 10/20/15 at 10:03am

 

Hillary gets a debate bump.

 

POLITICO: Third poll shows Clinton's lead widening after debate

 

 

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 10/20/15 at 11:04am

Bernie Sanders is surging in a fresh batch of new polls

"US Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont) continues to rise in the polls.

A new CNN/ORC poll released Monday showed Sanders with the biggest leap among any candidate in the 2016 field. And a new poll in the first-in-the-nation primary state of New Hampshire found him slightly expanding his lead there over former US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton."

http://www.businessinsider.com/polls-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-new-hampshire-2015-10

[madbrian]

Posted: 10/20/15 at 11:26am

Webb is dropping out, considering an independent run.  Can't see that happening, but if it did, it would hurt the GOP more than the Dems.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jim-webb-drops-out_562642b3e4b02f6a900dc7f0

[PalJoey]

Posted: 10/20/15 at 11:44am

 

The Boston Globe poll found the opposite: According to this poll, the lead Bernie had over Hillary in New Hampshire was reversed and now Hillary leads, if only in a statistical dead heat, 37-35:

 

BOSTON GLOBE: After a strong performance in this week’s Democratic presidential debate, Hillary Clinton has reclaimed some of the ground she’d lost to Senator Bernie Sanders over the summer

 

 

 

[PalJoey]

Posted: 10/20/15 at 11:44am

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 10/20/15 at 11:54am

And once Biden announces his run, she'll lost at least 10 - 12% of what she currently has. Keep that in mind. #perspective 

[PalJoey]

Posted: 10/20/15 at 11:59am

 

Nah.

 

 

[madbrian]

Posted: 10/20/15 at 12:16pm

Since Biden is already included in most polls, if he does decide to run, the immediate impact might be a minimal bump, at best.  On the other hand, if he decides not to run, HRC will revert to a prohibitive favorite.

[HorseTears]

Posted: 10/20/15 at 12:34pm

It's like these keystone cops are actually trying to help Hillary at this point.  

[PalJoey]

Posted: 10/20/15 at 1:23pm

 

And nobody really wants Joe Biden to run anyway.

 

 DAILY BEAST: WHY, JOE, WHY? Biden 2016: A Bad Idea Gets Worse

 

 

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 10/20/15 at 2:55pm

Since Biden is already included in most polls, if he does decide to run, the immediate impact might be a minimal bump, at best.

 

An overwhelming number of pollsters and pundits strongly disagree. They anticipate a 10 - 12% bump upon an initial announcement with a steady decline following the bump (Google is your friend and will provide you with plenty of material on this). Why are you all so afraid of Biden? At least the guy is real and sincere and authentic. The same cannot be said of Hillary. 

[PalJoey]

Posted: 10/20/15 at 3:15pm

 

Yes, it can.

 

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 10/20/15 at 4:00pm

Oh, sure. It can be said by those who are biased and blindly worshipping her.

[PalJoey]

Posted: 10/20/15 at 4:15pm

 

No. But the opposite can be said by those who are biased and blindly denigrating her.

 

 

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 10/20/15 at 4:18pm

PalJoey said: " 

 

No. But the opposite can be said by those who are biased and blindly denigrating her."

 

 

 

 

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