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#226

re: A Chorus Line Lotto Rigged

Posted: 7/5/07 at 6:01pm

Its one thing to allow members of the acting company to participate in the lottery, its another thing to "guarantee" that they will win. That's where the fraud lies. Nobody is denying them the right to participate, what everyone is angry about is it being rigged so they do win (if that is the case; I have no idea). Its hardly about a sense of entitlement, its about what is fair to EVERYBODY, cast, crew, ticket buyers. Personally, I don't care because I would never do a lottery anyway, but there is something very unethical about this practice. If the producers or whoever it is announces a lottery that guarantees 20 tickets available to the general public, then 20 tickets should be available, and cast and crew should have absolutely no influence or pull on getting their friend/family tickets. yes, they should absolutely be allowed to enter the lottery, but they should win or lose fair and square like everyone else who entered the lottery.

JustAGuy, you sound like one of those people who think anyone working on Broadway is better and more important than the rest of the human race ... talk about a sense of entitlement.

Its a lottery ... run it fairly or don't run it at all.

#227

re: A Chorus Line Lotto Rigged

Posted: 7/5/07 at 6:07pm

Except many people have stated on this thread they have seen cast members lose the lotto. There is no proof the lotto is rigged at ALL.

I am a firm believer in serendipity- all the random pieces coming together in one wonderful moment, when suddenly you see what their purpose was all along.

#228

re: A Chorus Line Lotto Rigged

Posted: 7/5/07 at 6:13pm

They should just do away with the lotto. It elminates far too many seats for the people who pay full price.

#229

re: A Chorus Line Lotto Rigged

Posted: 7/5/07 at 6:14pm

Thank you, Mr. Mackintosh.

"This thread reads like a series of White House memos." — Mister Matt

#230

re: A Chorus Line Lotto Rigged

Posted: 7/5/07 at 6:19pm

"Except many people have stated on this thread they have seen cast members lose the lotto. There is no proof the lotto is rigged at ALL."

Yes, a few people have said that. That may just mean that it's only rigged for certain favorites of the person running it, not for all cast members. But you're right. There is no proof that it is rigged. There also isn't any proof that it isn't. Everything on this board, on both sides of the witness pool, is just heresay. We don't know who any of these witnesses really are or if they have an agenda in either direction.

So I think, more importantly, the discussion is about whether or not it is okay for them to "rig" it, not whether or not they are.
I, for reasons stated earlier in this thread, am of the opinion that it is not okay/fair/right/honorable to do it the way it has been suggested it's being done.

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#231

re: A Chorus Line Lotto Rigged

Posted: 7/5/07 at 6:41pm

The debate over at ATC is just as "lively" as it is here. One of the longest threads I have ever seen there.

All That Chat - Chorus Line Thread

Updated On: 7/5/07 at 06:41 PM

#232

re: A Chorus Line Lotto Rigged

Posted: 7/5/07 at 7:41pm

"JustAGuy, you sound like one of those people who think anyone working on Broadway is better and more important than the rest of the human race ... talk about a sense of entitlement."

No...but I don't think they should be any less entitled either.

And you keep talking about FRAUD...where's the fraud? What are you being defrauded of, since they're are no gurantees that you will win the seats even if company members were excluded from the drawings? The whole thing sounds like sour grapes to me, someone stood in line, didn't get their name drawn, and someone else did...boo hoo...poor little me, I didn't win so someone obviously cheated me. UGH!

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#233

re: A Chorus Line Lotto Rigged

Posted: 7/5/07 at 10:48pm

http://talkinbroadway.com/allthatchat/d.php?id=1428478

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#234

re: A Chorus Line Lotto Rigged

Posted: 7/5/07 at 10:52pm

To correct the original poster, actors in the show have NO way of getting their friends seats unless they want to pay the full $110.

Get over it. So it was rigged. Big deal. That's only 1 performance out of many more the show will have.

#235

re: A Chorus Line Lotto Rigged

Posted: 7/5/07 at 10:56pm

It's immoral and unethical. While some of you a&&holes are screaming about the high holy difference between Soundtracks and cast recordings, you're conspicuously mum about this highly questionable practice.

Hypocrites.

As a student with a very limited income, It's a slap in the face to people like me who make a trip to town just to wait in line for what I think is a fair lottery.

It's WRONG, and you know it, no matter how you want to justify it.

"Fenchurch is correct, as usual." -Keen on Kean
"Fenchurch is correct, as usual." - muscle23ftl

#236

re: A Chorus Line Lotto Rigged

Posted: 7/5/07 at 10:57pm

There are plenty of things in life that are 'unfair'.

If you think the lotto is greatly unfair, you have a lot of pain and lessons to be learned ahead.

#237

re: A Chorus Line Lotto Rigged

Posted: 7/5/07 at 11:47pm

"As a student with a very limited income, It's a slap in the face to people like me who make a trip to town just to wait in line for what I think is a fair lottery.

It's WRONG, and you know it, no matter how you want to justify it."

Would it be less of a slap in the face if they didn't hold the lottery at all? Believe it or not, there was a time when there were no lotteries at all, people paid the price or didn't see the show, period. Now poor little entitled you, feels he's getting a slap in the face because he somehow perceives the lottery as being unfair to him. And you toss about words like "unethical" and "immoral", with out even a shred of proof that the lottery is rigged in the 1st place. How ethical and moral is that?

And why, would they go to the trouble of even drawing the names if they were already going to get the seats? They could easily just leave the name at the box office and have their friends pick up the tickets. Who would know, wouldn't the people that received the lottery tickets assume that the other people in the front row who weren't at the lottery paid full price? Why would cast members stand around outside waiting to find out if their friends/family memebers were going to be chosen if they already knew that they were? Logic goes out the window, when the self-entitled think they've been done wrong.

Updated On: 7/5/07 at 11:47 PM

#238

re: A Chorus Line Lotto Rigged

Posted: 7/6/07 at 12:38am

Self-entitled my ass. I'm poor, but when I was teenager, I got to see Grand Hotel 14 times, because they had AFFORDABLY PRICED TICKETS, which is unheard of now.

I saw Grand Hotel for$7.50 in the last row of the Gershwin. and that was paying FULL PRICE.

So give me a break. Tickets are prohobitively expensive, making theater a luxury for the rich , as opposed to a peoples artform.

There's no self entitlement here, just indignation at a company who is presenting itself as "magnanimous" without actually being so. That's a problem, dishonety.

"Fenchurch is correct, as usual." -Keen on Kean
"Fenchurch is correct, as usual." - muscle23ftl

#239

re: A Chorus Line Lotto Rigged

Posted: 7/6/07 at 12:39am

You are give the chance to not only win $20 seats, and you also have standing room for $21. Producers don't HAVE to give you any of this.

So be happy they do.

I am a firm believer in serendipity- all the random pieces coming together in one wonderful moment, when suddenly you see what their purpose was all along.

#240

re: A Chorus Line Lotto Rigged

Posted: 7/6/07 at 12:53am

I do know, for a fact.

The last time I was out there, I saw a guy come out of the stage door. From the neck up, he looked about 16, from the neck down, about 60. Not kidding. He met up with another guy, obviously another gypsy.

The two stood outside, I didnt see them fill out a card (and I was there forever) and I overheard one say to the other 'What do you want to do if we don't get in?"

"Oh, we'll get in" and he winked.

If I'm lyin', I'm dyin.

And get in they did.

"Fenchurch is correct, as usual." -Keen on Kean
"Fenchurch is correct, as usual." - muscle23ftl

#241

re: A Chorus Line Lotto Rigged

Posted: 7/6/07 at 12:55am

"There's no self entitlement here, just indignation at a company who is presenting itself as "magnanimous" without actually being so. That's a problem, dishonety."

Proof would boost your argument considerably.

"I saw Grand Hotel for$7.50 in the last row of the Gershwin. and that was paying FULL PRICE."

So, you're complaining that you can get front row seats now for $20.00 as opposed to getting last row seats in the barn that is called the Gershwin, for $7.50 back in 1989? Your arguments just get better and better.

#242

re: A Chorus Line Lotto Rigged

Posted: 7/6/07 at 12:55am

So you actually have hard core, definite proof that it was rigged?

Really?

What they said does not mean it was rigged, and could mean many other things.

I am a firm believer in serendipity- all the random pieces coming together in one wonderful moment, when suddenly you see what their purpose was all along.

#243

re: A Chorus Line Lotto Rigged

Posted: 7/6/07 at 12:59am

"So you actually have hard core, definite proof that it was rigged?"

Well when you see someone with the face of 16 year old on a body of a sixty year old get in, what more proof do you need? It's obviously rigged.

Updated On: 7/6/07 at 12:59 AM

#244

re: A Chorus Line Lotto Rigged

Posted: 7/6/07 at 2:04am

I think that this may be going on below the radar. The League of Theatre Producers would **** if they thought this would end up in The Times. Talk about negative press. And let's face it, prosecutors looking to make their careers love high profile cases, even when the crime itself is low class. This would be a press magnate if it was exploited the right way.

If I was producing on Broadway, I'd move damn fast to make certain that everything was above board.

And it IS wrong, no matter who gets hurt. It's unfair that the kids who can't afford shows have only 80 nor 70% of a chance going in of getting a ticket and it's unfair that members of the cast would have to screw the public to get their friends in.

It's bad taste in the mouth all around.

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#245

re: A Chorus Line Lotto Rigged

Posted: 7/6/07 at 2:14am

Except there is NO proof the lottery is rigged.

Since you don't pay any money to enter, I see no reason why the cast shouldn't be allowed to enter.

I am a firm believer in serendipity- all the random pieces coming together in one wonderful moment, when suddenly you see what their purpose was all along.

#246

re: A Chorus Line Lotto Rigged

Posted: 7/6/07 at 2:17am

You don't need proof, bad press is bad enough.
And don't be surprised if there is someone there (this week) with a big sign that the lottery is rigged.

Out of towners can get pretty nasty when they think they're being screwed.

I'll do it, too. I have the time. I can be there every performance this week.

If you're listening ACL house people. I'm not kidding.

"Fenchurch is correct, as usual." -Keen on Kean
"Fenchurch is correct, as usual." - muscle23ftl

#247

re: A Chorus Line Lotto Rigged

Posted: 7/6/07 at 2:19am

And I'll bet some junior DA who loves musical comedy and reads this board is busy looking up the statutes as well....

#248

re: A Chorus Line Lotto Rigged

Posted: 7/6/07 at 2:23am

You would actually stand outside of A Chorus Line with a sign saying the lottery is rigged?

Pardon me for being blunt, but that is just pathetic.

You would protest about something you have NO (I repeat, NO) prrof about just because someone posted something on a freaking message board?

Come ON. Be grateful that the producers even OFFER those tickets. Because I assure you, many people would pay $110 for those 20 seats. They are gracious enough to give out these cheap tickets, and you're whining because a cast member won? You don't know that it's rigged, so quit whining, and be grateful for the opportunity to get the tickets at all.

I am a firm believer in serendipity- all the random pieces coming together in one wonderful moment, when suddenly you see what their purpose was all along.

#249

re: A Chorus Line Lotto Rigged

Posted: 7/6/07 at 2:26am

Everytime time I hear the 'be grateful that they deign to make tickets available to working class people" argument. It makes me want to do it even more.

Look for me guys! I'll be the one wearing the sandwich board!

"Fenchurch is correct, as usual." -Keen on Kean
"Fenchurch is correct, as usual." - muscle23ftl

#250

re: A Chorus Line Lotto Rigged

Posted: 7/6/07 at 2:28am

Well Fenchurch, you're definitley going to look like an ass protesting something that you have no proof about.

Have fun.

I am a firm believer in serendipity- all the random pieces coming together in one wonderful moment, when suddenly you see what their purpose was all along.

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