A Chorus Line Lotto Rigged- Page 9

[broadwayguy2]

Posted: 6/29/07 at 4:01pm

Even if, for example, 4 tickets are pulled from lottery availability for company, the others are still drawn for a lottery.. hence a lottery HAS taken place. The tickets policies also always have a disclaimer attached that they can be changed or revoked at the show's choosing.. so..... they aren't doing anything out of line with what they say.

Oh bitter bitter people.



ava, it was a general statement at all of the griping.

[allofmylife]

Posted: 6/29/07 at 6:01pm

All parts of a lottery that involves the general public have to be fair and legal. Imagine how we'll all feel if the Mega Millions drew "just a few winning tickets" for the people who work for the Lottery Corporation.

It's wrong and no disclaimer would shield you from legal action.

[Fosse76]

Posted: 6/29/07 at 6:29pm

I bet those of you complaining wouldn't if you were the recipient of the lottery tickets. It's nnot like she's giving half of them away at every performance. Once every blue moon she decides to help out a cast member. You guys are kidding yourselves if you don't think you'd do the same thing.

[My Oh My]

Posted: 6/29/07 at 7:06pm

Get over it.

By the way, do they hold the lottery for every performance? How much are they? Where are the seats located? Any information would be appreaciated.

[coolkid11776]

Posted: 6/29/07 at 8:13pm

They are I $20 and they are for every show and I think they are partical view Orc. Seats.
Correct me IF I'm wrong How many do they give out?

[dancingthrulife04]

Posted: 6/29/07 at 8:20pm

I believe there are 20 seats, and it's the entire front row.

[nygrl23]

Posted: 6/29/07 at 8:30pm

allofmylife makes a good point. And Broadwayguy, stop judging people who disagree with you. Updated On: 6/29/07 at 08:30 PM

[Fosse76]

Posted: 6/29/07 at 11:23pm

"It's wrong and no disclaimer would shield you from legal action."

Actually, it does. And as I said before, there is actually no monetary risk on the part of the participants if they win, which would negate any damages participants think they deserve. You seem to be confusing laws regulating advertising with liability laws, where you would be correct in saying a disclaimer doesn't shield them.

[bjh2114]

Posted: 6/30/07 at 12:19am

nygirl, I am sorry to tell you but Broadwayguy is right. He isn't judging people who disagee with his "opinion", because it's not an opinion. He is stating a fact. The disclaimer and fine print of the lottery make it totally legal and excusable.

[My Oh My]

Posted: 6/30/07 at 1:08am

Cool. Thanks for the info, guys.

[broadwayguy2]

Posted: 6/30/07 at 8:13am

Thank you guys. I am really not griping about opinions. I am griping that people are accusing someone, especially such a nice person - which can be rare, of wrongdoing when there is none.

Just because you don't like it doesn't make it wrong.

[Steve2]

Posted: 7/5/07 at 12:03pm

A similar occurrance happened yesterday.
All That Chat - Chorus Line Thread

[bjh2114]

Posted: 7/5/07 at 12:18pm

I can't even take it anymore. This whole thing is rediculous. I went to Tony Yazbek's last show and I won lotto again. But, Yuka was there with a friend who entered the lottery too. He did win. HOWEVER, I was there when he put his name in the bucket, and he folded the card just like everybody else and there was no way the girl could have identified that card apart from the others. It was pure luck that his card got pulled. I can't necessarily say that this is true for all of these occurances, but this past Sunday, he won fair and square just like a normal person.

[Fenchurch]

Posted: 7/5/07 at 12:25pm

This is fraud, a lottery is just that.

This is wrong and I will make sure that everyone knows it.

[jordangirl]

Posted: 7/5/07 at 12:50pm

bjh... Were the cards pulled in front of you or did she come out with the winning cards in hand?

[bjh2114]

Posted: 7/5/07 at 1:00pm

Well she was inside when she pulled the cards, but people (including me) could see her pull them. If you stand to the right of the main door outside, you can watch her shake the bin and pick the names. It was totally fair, no funny business.

[jordangirl]

Posted: 7/5/07 at 1:04pm

Hmmm... Maybe she knows people are getting wise to it. Hopefully it'll be legitimately honest from now on.

[NJgirl]

Posted: 7/5/07 at 1:17pm

The easiest way to prevent alot of the shadyness that's being talked about here and on ATC is to draw in front of the crowd like every other lotto. Sure you can still "rig" it...but people would be less inclined to think it's shady if you draw names in front of them. Everyone is asked to leave the lobby and go outside until she picks and comes back with open cards in her hand. This has been my experience all except one time I've done lotto there when we all got to wait inside.

But we all need to face facts...lottos can be rigged and will be rigged. The producers don't care as long as they are getting their 20 or so dollars a ticket and filling those lotto seats. Turning people away may get them 21.25 more for a standing room seat or an actual seat.

Precisely why I bought myself a ticket for July 22nd...lord knows how many cast members, family, friends will be lottoing for people's last shows.

Rigging or not...a cast member (who was called 1st) and her family got 8 tickets at least at another lotto I did this past weekend. My friends and I actually joked about this thread when all 4 of us lost...but you never know...

[allofmylife]

Posted: 7/5/07 at 2:09pm

One producer gets a single visit from the authorities and all the others will police the lotteries. Guaranteed. They'll just do it until they think they could get caught.

[musicalsFan]

Posted: 7/5/07 at 2:40pm

I bet those of you complaining wouldn't if you were the recipient of the lottery tickets. It's nnot like she's giving half of them away at every performance. Once every blue moon she decides to help out a cast member. You guys are kidding yourselves if you don't think you'd do the same thing.

Actually, I never did the lotto. I got SRO. Simpler that way.

And, NO, I would not rig a contest just to help a friend out. I'm funny that way. I actually will do the right thing. What a quaint concept. Where I come from, rigging a contest, is cheating plain and simple. No matter how you try to justify it.

[C is for Company]

Posted: 7/5/07 at 4:56pm

Fenchurch, tell it to the Beadle and the police as well! Chorus Lines cheatinggggggg! Rigging their lottoooooooooooooooo! Mischief...mischief.

*hobbles away*

[Fosse76]

Posted: 7/5/07 at 5:11pm

You people make me laugh. There is absolutely nothing illegal about "rigging" the lotteries on Broadway. There is a notice that clearly indicates that the terms can be changed without notice. Because there is no monetary investment on anyone's part unless they win, there is no fraud. Money is a key component in all fraud cases. So unless you were required to pay to enter the lottery, you're out of luck. False advertising doesn't apply either, since they do in fact draw the names, a lottery does occur, and the tickets are charged at the advertised price to the winners. You people should actually learn the law before trying to exert an authoritative opinion about it. And the fact of the matter is you have absolutely no proof that she even rigged the lottery.

[wonderfulwizard11]

Posted: 7/5/07 at 5:13pm

"And the fact of the matter is you have absolutely no proof that she even rigged the lottery."

Exactly. Many people on this thread have said they've seen cast members lose the lotto.

[WestVillage]

Posted: 7/5/07 at 5:32pm

"False advertising doesn't apply either, since they do in fact draw the names, a lottery does occur, and the tickets are charged at the advertised price to the winners." But in all the press releases and articles, it specifically states that 20 tickets will be made available to the GENERAL PUBLIC, so if cast members, who are not the general public but rather employees of the production that is hosting the lottery, are arranging for their friends to win the lottery, all 20 tickets are NOT available to the general public, as some go to friends of the cast. Sounds like false advertising to me, if this is indeed what is happening.

[JustAGuy]

Posted: 7/5/07 at 5:38pm

There's no fraud being perpetrated here. You are not PAYING anything to enter the lottery, nor are you guaranteed a seat by entering the lottery...where's the fraud? What have you been defrauded of? Your time spent in line? Since the lottery isn't a right of all theater goers, but a courtesy offered by the producers, they can set it up anyway they see fit, and if they see fit to allow members of the acting company to participate in the drawings, or if they tell the person doing the drawings to make sure that the members of the company get priority...it's simply too bad for you. Talk about a sense of entitlement...get over yourselves.