Adam Pascal sounds off on the haters!- Page 11

[Jane2]

Posted: 6/6/13 at 9:33am

So much for this thread dying a sudden death a few pages back!

Oh well. home sweet BWW.

[broadway guy]

Posted: 6/6/13 at 9:37am

You hate me! Go on then..Stone me like the all the rest!

[Becky]

Posted: 6/6/13 at 9:41am

"But, if Pascal or any one of his fans really wants to take issue with what I said, I would have no problem doing it via PM."

Well, it can't really work like that. One doesn't get to publicly make comments about someone, but expect the discussion about it to take place privately.

yankeefan7 - I think it's because he was defending personal remarks about him on *his* page, not a theater forum re: the show in general (re: not defending the other remarks about the show).

"Honestly, i was surprised i was the first person to put it up.I put it on this board 30 minutes after he wrote posted it."

Maybe you were the first one to find it necessary to bring it here?

"Becky, the ability to post anonymously without consequence is hardly as "powerful" as inciting a cyber lynch mob of 300 people insulting Winston over a thread most of them clearly haven't read."

Orangeskittles, that's kind of my point. Posters like winston can post things like that all day, but people like Adam know they can't post a defense without it turning into a big thing....as it did. No one knows winston from snoopy on the street (but everyone knows who his comments were about), so "inciting a cyber mob of 300" is a bit of a stretch. As for bullying - I was just pointing out that Adam using the term maybe wasn't as out of line as the thread would indicate. If someone feels bullied, it's valid to the person regardless of whether or not others feel it's valid. (Stage door comment made me laugh out loud though!)

"The fact is, you don't care what was is said, you care who says it."

That could not be more true here.

And one thing I've learned about winston over and over in this debacle, he's "not gonna lie."

Updated On: 6/6/13 at 09:41 AM

[Kad]

Posted: 6/6/13 at 9:50am

Someone needs to tell Adam Pascal to get off his Facebook and pop a Xanax, because apparently his "deep breathing" isn't helping him to let it go, if those recent comments are any indication.

[SporkGoddess]

Posted: 6/6/13 at 9:55am

If someone feels bullied, it's valid to the person regardless of whether or not others feel it's valid.

Saying that you "feel" bullied is different from saying that you "were" bullied. No one is trying to deny Adam Pascal his experience. But he threw out a VERY charged term.

Another thing about bullying is that there is violence involved. Even verbal bullying contains verbal violence or the threat of violence. What Winston said was not violent. I don't even think what Adam Pascal said was violent.

Furthermore, bullying is repetitive. Going up to someone and saying "Hey, you're an asshole!" once is mean but it's not really bullying.

I love all of the people in the FB comments thread saying that bullying can't be defined by anyone. I guess I'll have to go tell all of the bullying researchers I know that they can't define their area of expertise!

Updated On: 6/6/13 at 09:55 AM

[everythingtaboo]

Posted: 6/6/13 at 10:07am

I think there's difference between "he went up on his lines" and:

"Rather than just going with it or quickly fixing his mistake and moving on, he just flat out stopped singing, continued on with the dancing, and the ensemble had to cover for him. I felt bad for him, but on the other hand this isn't his first Broadway show and he's been doing the role of Billy Flynn for awhile now and should know how to cover a mistake instead of making it obviously noticeable."

It goes from commenting on a performance to passing an inordinate amount of judgement on how someone should do their job. That's what annoys me about winston's comments. Should Adam have kept his comments to himself? Maybe. But when someone is openly commenting on his very professional existence in the way he did, I don't blame him from wanting to react.

[Becky]

Posted: 6/6/13 at 10:21am

"Saying that you "feel" bullied is different from saying that you "were" bullied."

(Goes back to what I said about posters like Adam having everything picked apart.) So it would have been fine if he said "I felt bullied" as opposed to what he wrote? Nah. People would have had an issue either way.

[Brian07663NJ]

Posted: 6/6/13 at 10:36am

This thread reminds me of Marta in Company...

"You know what this city is? Where a person can feel it? It's in a person's ass. If you're really apart of the city, relaxed cool, and in the whole flow of it, your ass is like this. (She makes a large round cirle with her forefinger and thumb) If you're just living here, runnin' around, uptight, not really apart of this city, your ass is like this (She tightens the circle to nothing, making a fist)"

Maybe Adam (and many of us) should take Marta's advice to really be a part of this city?

[Jane2]

Posted: 6/6/13 at 10:39am

ok, I'm chiming in. The way this thread sounds, it's as if Adam P. did something so heinous that he should be burned at the stake. Why don't we just call the line police and have him arrested? LOL!

[Reginald Tresilian]

Posted: 6/6/13 at 10:44am

It seems to me that if you grade on a curve--you know, subtract the extreme posts on either side and sort of average out the comments--that most people feel that:

1. He went up on his lines; eh, it happens.
2. Boy, what a bad idea it was for him to take to the internet to complain about this thread.
3. "Bullying" is a serious thing and the word shouldn't be thrown around carelessly.
4. The word "haters" makes you sound twelve years old.

Or maybe that's just how I feel.

At any rate, it seems people object to Pascal's FB rants much more than his forgetting a line.

[Brian07663NJ]

Posted: 6/6/13 at 10:46am

Jane2...this thread really is absurd. Probably to the point that when I saw how many pages of comments this inspired it became obvious that the BWWers comments became more heinous than what Adam responded to in the first place.

Water off a duck's back everyone.

If anything it gave Adam plenty of visability because at one point I considered commenting: "Adam? Adam who? OH the guy from Rent years ago?"

Even bad publicity...is publicity. So if he ranted and we responded - it got everyone talking about him.

[finebydesign]

Posted: 6/6/13 at 10:48am

"so heinous that he should be burned at the stake."

He kinda broke the fourth wall here of "celebrity." He responded negatively.

You attack one of our own and you've got two choices. 1. SHUT UP or 2. Keep digging. For some (currently Amanda Bynes) it works in your favor. For others (Mr. Pascal), whatever celebrity WE GAVE HIM is up for ridicule.

Again the problem here wasn't the "haters" or their response. (Not that any of that should matter to Mr. Pascal). It was the fact that he responded at all. It's bad enough he bothers to troll these boards or Google Alert mentions of his name. I still can't get over his explanation of trolling these boards in the first place.

And while I'll agree working in a Broadway show is tough work, it's his CHOICE and many of us have jobs he could never perform. Many people would die to be in his shoes, the last thing I want to hear someone "rich and famous" going off about is how hard it is. Tell that to the people that clean his dressing room toilet.

[Jane2]

Posted: 6/6/13 at 10:50am

Well, whatever the main thrust of this thread is, I hope it does end up positively for Adam Pascal.

[Brian07663NJ]

Posted: 6/6/13 at 10:50am

Reginald - you are accurate in your assessment.

BTW - I LOVE it when something unique happens (of course when no one is hurt) even if they forget a line or change it up. Big deal! We are attending LIVE theater. If you want letter perfect then go to the movies. I even laugh more watching SNL when they break each other up and all begin to laugh when they aren't supposed to.

[winston89]

Posted: 6/6/13 at 11:22am

Everythingtaboo,

I will still say that in the grand scheme of things that have been posted here over time, I didn't do anything wrong. Like I said earlier, had I been called out for spewing vitriol hate, I would have declared a public mea culpa and moved on. I still feel that what I said was well within my right as a ticket buyer. To me, it's comparable to going out to eat at a world class, five star restaurant. You might not know how to cook that well, but you do know what to expect when you're going to such an establishment. And, if you're unhappy, you have a right to complain since you're throwing in your hard earned money in for something only to be let down a little with what you got. I never said Adam was an awful human being for making a mistake or that he should be fired on the spot. I did, however state that he did make a mistake and that I felt that he could have fixed it better. As a ticket buyer and someone who sees and knows a lot of what good theatre is or can be, that's perfectly within my rights to do so. Going back to the dining analogy, you can go to a world class steakhouse, not know much about cooking a steak, but still feel annoyed that you paid a good chunk of money for a steak that wasn't prepared to your liking.

And, finebydesign, I agree with you about what you said about someone like Pascal going on about how hard it is. I will add, that there are jobs that none of us can do. But, it doesn't mean that we don't know a thing or two about them. I am sure that there are just as many people on here who could preform as there are people who just love to watch theatre and can tell good theatre from bad. Just because we can't do the job, doesn't mean that we don't know what a good job verses a bad job looks like.

[Kelly2]

Posted: 6/6/13 at 11:27am

So wait is he just encouraging people to throw down with him at stage door now?

Is he ten?

[WickedRENTAwakening]

Posted: 6/6/13 at 11:28am

First, most of you on this message board are nasty c*nts and you know it.

Second, if your looking for an amazing Broadway caliber performance you don't go see what's left of CHICAGO thats just a designated resting area tourists, there shopping bags and luggage. It also serves as a sanctuary for groups young women who are considering prostitution. 65% of the house is sold at discount people! Go see a real show.

Third, whether in concert or on a Broadway show Adam Pascal has been incredible. I can only describe his voice is the sweetest sound to come out of a man and I hope he one song glory's all over your faces.




Updated On: 6/6/13 at 11:28 AM

[ReggieonBway]

Posted: 6/6/13 at 11:29am

I played my part in this - I did call him unprofessional, without carefully reading the first post to see that he only went up once.

That said - he's absolutely right. People online (and particularly here) are so empowered by their anonymity that they think they can say whatever they want without consequence. The fact is that producers and actors check message boards (these and others) to see what people are saying about them and their shows. It's natural.

The real shame in it is that none of you will ever accept blame for hurting those people. You put it on them and their sensitivity. I'd love to see what all of you would say about people if you weren't anonymous.

[ray-andallthatjazz86]

Posted: 6/6/13 at 11:30am

Winston, I'm glad you have a head on your shoulders and aren't letting get this to you too much, as it shouldn't. I find Pascal's behavior to be, quite honestly, a bit pathetic, childish and immature; there are ways to complain about the issue of online commenting and hate-tweets and that sort of thing, and this wasn't it. What a silly thing. Winston's thread was so not mean-spirited, bitchy or vicious in any way.
And Kad, you couldn't be more right in saying that if Pascal had never started that thread, none of us would have even given a thought to Winston's original thread. I, for one, didn't see it when it was first posted so I didn't know Pascal had this one performance where he flubbed his lines.

[winston89]

Posted: 6/6/13 at 11:40am

ray-andallthatjazz86,

From the bottom of my heart, I thank you. Your'e right. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I know that what I said wasn't mean spirited in any form or fashion, and if it were, I'd apologize. And, I'm not letting this get to me, because in the grand scheme of things, this isn't that big a deal at all.

I know that there have been people in this thread that feel that I (or others on here) would say anything because we are hiding behind a username. let me assure you, that for me, that isn't the case. I well aware that there are people who read this that are in the industry. That's why, when making the orignal thread, I picked my words carefully. And, if it wouldn't make me look immature or look as if I'm not taking the high road, I would have no problem using my real name on Facebook, and owning up to what I said, because I did nothing wrong. However, there ins't any incentive for me to do that, and doing that would make me look just as childish as Pascal did for what he said, both in his original post and one of his comments to someone else on Facebook.

[tazber]

Posted: 6/6/13 at 11:43am

The main theme of this thread is a lesson AP should have been taught: do not post negative and insulting things anywhere people can see them if you are in the public eye.

Hire a PR person, think before you hit "post", and never ever pull the old "you couldn't do what I do" argument.

[Jane2]

Posted: 6/6/13 at 11:45am

Winston, I only have one problem with your entire message. I'm inferring that you expected more than what you got when Adam messed up. You said he should have known how to cover his flub, etc. etc. I think you're judging him too harshly.

I strongly feel that when something like that happens, you can't always handle it in a way that the audience would like. You have no idea what distracted him, or if he had a brain fart, or whatever. In cases like that, you have no time to decide what you should do. Maybe he freaked out badly enough that he didn't have the right cover up on hand. So, he stopped.

I don't care how much hard earned money a person pays for a theater ticket, you may just come across human error.

[Kad]

Posted: 6/6/13 at 11:49am

"The real shame in it is that none of you will ever accept blame for hurting those people. You put it on them and their sensitivity."

If you have read the thread, you will see that for many people that is absolutely not the case.

[Someone in a Tree2]

Posted: 6/6/13 at 11:54am

Whew! Lots to catch up on over night here (typing from the West coast).

Winston, I agree that you were not mean-spirited in your initial post. I can't say the same about many many others on here.

I'm with ReggieonBway when he writes: "The real shame in it is that none of you will ever accept blame for hurting those people. You put it on them and their sensitivity."

[everythingtaboo]

Posted: 6/6/13 at 11:55am

winston89, if you're using what's written on this board as a measured standard, then you're in big trouble. what's on this board at times is downright venomous.

"My question is, does Pascal have a reputation of not being able to remember lines?"

i'm sorry that a missed verse caused you to question his two-decade career. how would you feel if you were a performer and you read a ridiculous question like that? that's basically his basic job qualifications that you're questioning. where do you work? i'd love to stop by and see if a mistake you made today should discredit everything else you've done.

listen, i'm not his biggest fan - i even questioned his casting in this show, it seemed so out of nowhere - but even i know criticism is fine, and taking hyperbolic leaps is just a grab for attention.