(I'm rather shocked that people haven't come on to either thread from his fansite to trash folks here.)
Well, he didn't link to it, which didn't help. Or maybe it did help...
>> Plus people who come on strong and too quickly try to ingratiate themselves often seem like trolls, who like to come strong and too quickly try to ingratiate themselves. People also tend to be suspicious when a first time poster bypasses the main board for the off-topic board.
That's paranoid.
Why did Adam go online and bully poor Winston?
I actually went on Mr.Pascal's page and defended Winston. I feel like he overreacted and that Winston did nothing too bad. I hope I don't get ripped to shreds by the fan girls!
Aren't Adam's fangirls all around 50 years old now?
Broadway Star Joined: 5/14/03
"I never once faulted him for making a mistake, nor would I, he's human and allowed to do that."
Well, by posting about it here after the performance and questioning his history, ya kinda did
In all seriousness...I've been to hundreds of shows and have seen more dropped lines, missed cues, wrong wording in verses, etc.. than I can count, and each time write it off to part of the charm of live theater should it ever happen. I don't think it would even occur to me to post on the board to question their professionalism or ask if it happens a lot with the performer. Found that a little odd, and I can see why it's annoying to blow a line and read about it on a public forum. Probably seemed like an unnecessary thing to put out there to him. But, yes, you had the right to post it. And yes, he had the right to go on his OWN Facebook page and be annoyed.
Bully? Bit of a strong word, and as a teacher, I'm not a fan of using the term loosely. But if you wanted to make an argument? Imbalance of power - someone like Winston has a LOT more liberties when it comes to sharing opinions or posting things on here than Adam would being performer. Posters like Winston can post whatever, and his opinions and thoughts go out to a large population. Adam speaks his mind on is own page about it and 8 pages pop up here saying Adam should get a thicker skin, calling him a baby, saying he shouldn't have voiced what he did, etc.... Anything a performer like Adam posts will be looked at under a microscope, picked apart, so one could argue he has to be a lot more careful with what he puts out there. Being a "winston" behind an anonymous screen name on a message board is different than Adam posting ANYTHING. Power isn't exactly balanced if you want to get technical. Was winston bullying? Don't have a thought on that.
>> I actually went on Mr.Pascal's page and defended Winston.
Oh, Geez...
I can't get involved in a war with Facebook. They'll put a freeze on my BitCoins and rezone my FarmVille land for commercial use only.
I'll be ruined...
^^^OMG John Adams I spit my drink out!!! That was too funny!
Jordan now that they are 50 I should be weary of walkers fly my direction!
Becky is my heroine.
How pathetic. I have no desire to see any thing he is a part of now; I've lost all respect for him.
I must say, those 30+ rentheads are very entertaining. I was expecting all teenagers; I guess he's not the only one who can't let go...
We'll be telling out grandkids about this thread.
Adam Pascal doesn't mean much to teenagers now, who missed out on the Rent heydey. That gravy train only makes local stops.
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/16/07
That's paranoid.
I guess, but it doesn't mean it doesn't happen with great regularity. You've only been here a few months so perhaps you've yet to encounter it.
Becky, the ability to post anonymously without consequence is hardly as "powerful" as inciting a cyber lynch mob of 300 people insulting Winston over a thread most of them clearly haven't read. Adam could join BWW and post- as himself or anonymously- and confront Winston on even turf, but instead chooses to use his Facebook bully pulpit and let his fans do the dirty work. The comments they're making about Winston are just as bad, if not worse, than calling him a baby or to grow thicker skin.
Adam just posted this in the comments of the original post:
"one last thing..anyone who has a problem with what I said if you would like to take it up with me I am at the ambassador theater every night. show comes down at 1015. I'd love for you to tell me to my face what is and isn't bullying. who made you the barometer of how other people should feel"
I mean, I'd like to, but he hasn't come out of the stagedoor since 2008, so...
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/16/07
No one is telling anyone how to feel. We're just talking about what words mean and what they don't mean.
So, if Winston was offended by the things Adam said (yes, I know he wasn't), can we not tell him that wasn't bullying? I'm confused by this message now.
The 2013 Webster's dictionary defines bullying as "any word or combination of words that are said to or about someone that they disagree with"
At least Alec Baldwin had the balls to go after Brantley and his "bullying" critique. Or is Brantley exempt since we know his name? Can he report that someone flubbed a line?
Man, I'm surprised that so many if you are so anti-Adam. Granted, I grew up a fan of him, but the guy can actually act and has had a pretty interesting career.
Regardless, we all know that Broadwayworld boards are a bit...catty, at least. It's probably better that a performer not read them and yet, I'm guessing that he's a guy who cares about his job and so sometimes, he does.
I think that the bigger point I take from this is not specifically about Adam but that comments any of us make can and do have an effect and can hurt people. Especially performers, as many of us are sensitive types. That doesn't mean we shouldn't comment and I haven't even read the original comment that started this long thread. But I do think it's important to remember that words can hurt and while you have the right to express an opinion, sometimes it's just kind of mean spirited and hurts people. Probably, the original guy who make the comment wasn't thinking about that.
We should refrain from having discussions here and focus more on posting positive comments about people, regardless of the topic at hand.
Someone else's story 2,
If you're going to pass judgment upon what I wrote, at least have the decency to go to the original thread in question, read what I wrote and form your own opinions.
Secondly, I'm not going to lie. It's kind of cool to see people coming to my defense on Facebook. It's not needed, but you know something, not bad either. I will say this, if the situation at hand was that I did in fact do something wrong, I would have no issue with offering out a public mea culpa. But, considering that many people here have felt that I didn't cross a line, this whole thing isn't bothering me one ioda. What Pascal said about me doesn't bother me, nor does the fact that he basically sent a cyber lynch mob my way. And, I know that I may be opening up a can of worms by saying that. But, if Pascal or any one of his fans really wants to take issue with what I said, I would have no problem doing it via PM.
Understudy Joined: 7/22/09
I read Winston's critique...and it is just that...a critique. I hardly call that bullying.
Isn't this the same man who asked ( bullied ) posters in changing there reviews on the reNt movie on these very boards?
It does really annoy me when performers/celebrities play the bullying card because someone just happened to critique a performance. Being critical and being a bully are two different things. I have lost all respect for Adam, I thought he was a very talented guy but also seemed very cool. It sad really. His latest comments are very unprofessional, in his job he should be able to handle criticism much better, everyone gets criticisied in their careers, thats life.
Adam Pascal: Hey Adam Goldberg you **** head, bullying is anything that makes someone feel bad, i was a fat kid who was bullied in school..last to be picked for the team...made fun of etc. i dont need you posting your websters dictionary definition. its my definition that counts, its my page! you can suck it asshole...you came here to tell me what i should and should not feel. ok lets not call it bullying then, lets just call it a douchebag in the audience. something you are anytime you step foot in a theater.
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Adam Pascal: and dont try and reverse what i said to you as bullying..you came here to my page and opened yourself up to it.
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