#126
Posted: 12/23/14 at 9:55pm
Would you rather see a Sound of Music where the Von-Trapps are captured by Nazis?
Yes.
Yes.
Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting — Page 6
#127
Posted: 12/23/14 at 9:56pm
If pay double to see that.
#128
Posted: 12/23/14 at 10:10pm
"In what world is a real life ending better than a happy one? Would you rather see a Sound of Music where the Von-Trapps are captured by Nazis? Or a Hello, Dolly! where Dolly dies alone?"
The VonTrapps escaping IS a real-life ending because it actually happened! And IMO the ending to ITW is not bleak...it's not your typical happy ending though. Sure, the characters struggled through loss, but the remaining four had to come together to overcome their troubles, and the songs "No One Is Alone", "Children Will Listen", and the final reprise deliver messages of hope on how to overcome this struggle. Did they deserve it? Well, did the Giants Wife deserve to die? It's up to the audience and the characters to decide what's "right and what's good". And it is smart that Lapine and Sondheim did this (put the ending characters through this) ...it set up their message of hope. The message is so relevant today, and it is one of the reasons the film was made. Rob Marshall said that this is relevant to the 9/11 and post-9/11 generation. Which is why Into the Woods is relevant...the message of hope and how to overcome tragedy.
"No One Is Alone"
The VonTrapps escaping IS a real-life ending because it actually happened! And IMO the ending to ITW is not bleak...it's not your typical happy ending though. Sure, the characters struggled through loss, but the remaining four had to come together to overcome their troubles, and the songs "No One Is Alone", "Children Will Listen", and the final reprise deliver messages of hope on how to overcome this struggle. Did they deserve it? Well, did the Giants Wife deserve to die? It's up to the audience and the characters to decide what's "right and what's good". And it is smart that Lapine and Sondheim did this (put the ending characters through this) ...it set up their message of hope. The message is so relevant today, and it is one of the reasons the film was made. Rob Marshall said that this is relevant to the 9/11 and post-9/11 generation. Which is why Into the Woods is relevant...the message of hope and how to overcome tragedy.
"No One Is Alone"
Updated On: 12/23/14 at 10:10 PM
#129
Posted: 12/23/14 at 10:52pm
"In what world is a real life ending better than a happy one?"
The one in which Roman Holiday and Annie Hall are considered more satisfying romantic comedies than Fools Gold and Gigli.
The one in which Roman Holiday and Annie Hall are considered more satisfying romantic comedies than Fools Gold and Gigli.
#130
Posted: 12/23/14 at 11:51pm
The show isn't about "careful what you wish for!" An embroidered throw pillow could say that.
It's about, as henrik said, mindfulness. Be mindful of consequences, of the past, of the future, of the world around you. The show comes down harshly on wishes because wishes are so often selfishly and blindly made- they're no different than the Baker's father snatching the beans from Witch's garden. How are we to know, how are we ever to know, when we don't stop and think?
Lessons aren't learned when you get what you want without consequence or effort. You aren't made better and you aren't given knowledge to use for the next time you have to face the woods.
Be mindful of what you say and do for your children's sake. Be mindful of the actions you take for the sake of those in the world you haven't considered. The world is unfathomably big and connected in complicated, unconsidered ways. That is the big theme of Into the Woods. The secondary theme of parents and children is directly tied into that, too. Boiling it down to "careful what you wish for" reduces it to the selfishness the show wants to dispel.
In a world in which the big picture is increasingly neglected, perhaps stories with perfect happy endings are nothing more than opiates.
(except for pornos)
It's about, as henrik said, mindfulness. Be mindful of consequences, of the past, of the future, of the world around you. The show comes down harshly on wishes because wishes are so often selfishly and blindly made- they're no different than the Baker's father snatching the beans from Witch's garden. How are we to know, how are we ever to know, when we don't stop and think?
Lessons aren't learned when you get what you want without consequence or effort. You aren't made better and you aren't given knowledge to use for the next time you have to face the woods.
Be mindful of what you say and do for your children's sake. Be mindful of the actions you take for the sake of those in the world you haven't considered. The world is unfathomably big and connected in complicated, unconsidered ways. That is the big theme of Into the Woods. The secondary theme of parents and children is directly tied into that, too. Boiling it down to "careful what you wish for" reduces it to the selfishness the show wants to dispel.
In a world in which the big picture is increasingly neglected, perhaps stories with perfect happy endings are nothing more than opiates.
(except for pornos)
"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."
Updated On: 12/23/14 at 11:51 PM
#131
I guess sometimes children won't listen.
Posted: 12/24/14 at 7:49am
I guess sometimes children won't listen.
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#132
Posted: 12/24/14 at 8:59am
Kad... well said.
#133
Posted: 12/24/14 at 9:15am
Fantod,
There's no point trying to engage in rational conversation with these types. They don't want to listen to you, and they're not going to listen to you.
You see, just by being who you are, you show them up.
Already, at your young age, you have shown yourself to be more knowledgeable, cultured, and cultivated than they are, with better manners (not that anyone could have any worse), and better taste (again, not that anyone .......).
You also express a liking for beautiful things --- an absolute no-no among this set!
Worst of all, you don't mouth the party line around here, or march in lockstep with their totalitarian diktats.
They don't like that. They don't like any of that --- not by a long shot. So they're going to try to tear you down, just for the spiteful satisfaction of it.
That's why trying to use rational arguments with this crew is an absolute waste of time.
Remember, you can't make a leopard change its spots.
Nor, in their case, a viper its venom.
There's no point trying to engage in rational conversation with these types. They don't want to listen to you, and they're not going to listen to you.
You see, just by being who you are, you show them up.
Already, at your young age, you have shown yourself to be more knowledgeable, cultured, and cultivated than they are, with better manners (not that anyone could have any worse), and better taste (again, not that anyone .......).
You also express a liking for beautiful things --- an absolute no-no among this set!
Worst of all, you don't mouth the party line around here, or march in lockstep with their totalitarian diktats.
They don't like that. They don't like any of that --- not by a long shot. So they're going to try to tear you down, just for the spiteful satisfaction of it.
That's why trying to use rational arguments with this crew is an absolute waste of time.
Remember, you can't make a leopard change its spots.
Nor, in their case, a viper its venom.
Updated On: 12/24/14 at 09:15 AM
#134
Someone is on your side
No one is alone
Posted: 12/24/14 at 9:24am
Someone is on your side
No one is alone
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#135
Posted: 12/24/14 at 9:27am
Kad FTW.
And maybe the porno.
And maybe the porno.
#136
Posted: 12/24/14 at 9:36am
A8,
Many people on this thread have delivered "rational arguments"...the majority of this thread has "rational arguments"....so what if someone likes the show?!?! I LOVE it and it does not mean that I am not "cultured" and "cultivated". I appreciate and understand this beautiful show, and I have the right to. Some people just have different tastes, and most to everyone on this thread acknowledged that, but we're trying to make Fantod and anyone else understand what makes this musical so wonderful! The movie comes out tomorrow, and I can't wait for millions of others to experience this masterpiece!
-Showface
Many people on this thread have delivered "rational arguments"...the majority of this thread has "rational arguments"....so what if someone likes the show?!?! I LOVE it and it does not mean that I am not "cultured" and "cultivated". I appreciate and understand this beautiful show, and I have the right to. Some people just have different tastes, and most to everyone on this thread acknowledged that, but we're trying to make Fantod and anyone else understand what makes this musical so wonderful! The movie comes out tomorrow, and I can't wait for millions of others to experience this masterpiece!
-Showface
#137
Posted: 12/24/14 at 9:48am
"but we're trying to make Fantod and anyone else understand what makes this musical so wonderful! "
What YOU think makes this musical so wonderful.
Others think this musical is anything but wonderful.
And you're not going to make them think otherwise --- and certainly not by mocking a person's age.
I think this musical is hateful. Ugly, too.
And if you look at it for what it is and what it represents......
It is.
What YOU think makes this musical so wonderful.
Others think this musical is anything but wonderful.
And you're not going to make them think otherwise --- and certainly not by mocking a person's age.
I think this musical is hateful. Ugly, too.
And if you look at it for what it is and what it represents......
It is.
Updated On: 12/24/14 at 09:48 AM
#138
How's about you say how and why you feel that way, like Kad did?
Posted: 12/24/14 at 9:55am
How's about you say how and why you feel that way, like Kad did?
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#139
Posted: 12/24/14 at 10:03am
When most people don't like something, they just say so. When A8 dislikes something, it's because it is absolutely "ugly" and "hateful" and anyone who likes it is against beautiful things.
That's why so, so many people here have a problem with him. It's not that he doesn't like certain shows - who cares about whether he does? we all have different tastes - it's that he extends his judgment of the things he doesn't like to everyone who does.
And of course he will rarely explain his position because to write any more than a few sentences is self-indulgent.
That's why so, so many people here have a problem with him. It's not that he doesn't like certain shows - who cares about whether he does? we all have different tastes - it's that he extends his judgment of the things he doesn't like to everyone who does.
And of course he will rarely explain his position because to write any more than a few sentences is self-indulgent.
"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."
Updated On: 12/24/14 at 10:03 AM
#140
Yes, After Eight speaks strictly in absolute terms. Fantod has already -- and rightly -- backpedaled a couple of times in his word choices for this very reason, something After Eight would never do. So, perhaps there is a lesson here for Fantod. And perhaps it's "Careful the things you say."
Posted: 12/24/14 at 10:12am
Yes, After Eight speaks strictly in absolute terms. Fantod has already -- and rightly -- backpedaled a couple of times in his word choices for this very reason, something After Eight would never do. So, perhaps there is a lesson here for Fantod. And perhaps it's "Careful the things you say."
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#141
Posted: 12/24/14 at 11:37am
To mark the centenary of the Christmas truce of 1914, maybe the opposing sides in this thread can make peace tomorrow for just one day.
I look forward to the nice things After Eight will find to say about Sondheim.
Joyeux Noel!
I look forward to the nice things After Eight will find to say about Sondheim.
Joyeux Noel!
Beyoncé is not an ally. Actions speak louder than words, Mrs. Carter. #Dubai #$$$
#142
Posted: 12/24/14 at 11:46am
'When most people don't like something, they just say so. When A8 dislikes something, it's because it is absolutely "ugly" and "hateful" and anyone who likes it is against beautiful things.'
I'll never forget the day when he questioned Michael Bennett's (the poster...not the dead director) morality and character because he spoke intelligently and admiringly about the dark shades of gray in the musical PASSION. I can handle the strange performance art quality to A8...but that went way beyond the pale. I've seen a lot of ugly on this board...but I think that was the ugliest I've ever encountered.
I'll never forget the day when he questioned Michael Bennett's (the poster...not the dead director) morality and character because he spoke intelligently and admiringly about the dark shades of gray in the musical PASSION. I can handle the strange performance art quality to A8...but that went way beyond the pale. I've seen a lot of ugly on this board...but I think that was the ugliest I've ever encountered.
#143
Posted: 12/24/14 at 12:17pm
"I look forward to the nice things After Eight will find to say about Sondheim. "
I wouldn't look too hard.
And I hope you'll spend your day in more festive - and rewarding --- pursuits.
Happy Holiday.
I wouldn't look too hard.
And I hope you'll spend your day in more festive - and rewarding --- pursuits.
Happy Holiday.
#144
Posted: 12/24/14 at 12:34pm
Happy Holidays, After Eight!
#145
Posted: 12/24/14 at 12:53pm
How can I describe him?
The wretchedness, God, the wretchedness
And the suffering, the desperation
Of that poor unhappy creature -
The embarrassment,
Looking at that lonelyness,
Listening to all that self-pity
The wretchedness, God, the wretchedness
And the suffering, the desperation
Of that poor unhappy creature -
The embarrassment,
Looking at that lonelyness,
Listening to all that self-pity
"Sticks and stones, sister. Here, have a Valium." - Patti LuPone, a Memoir
#146
Posted: 12/24/14 at 12:54pm
"Others think this musical is anything but wonderful. "
YOU think that.
Others think it is absolutely magnificent.
And there is no need in putting down someone's opinion for loving it--- that is certainly not a nice thing to do
I think this musical is a masterpiece. Beautiful, too.
And if you look at it for what it is and for and what it represents......
It is.
YOU think that.
Others think it is absolutely magnificent.
And there is no need in putting down someone's opinion for loving it--- that is certainly not a nice thing to do
I think this musical is a masterpiece. Beautiful, too.
And if you look at it for what it is and for and what it represents......
It is.
Updated On: 12/24/14 at 12:54 PM
#147
Posted: 12/24/14 at 12:54pm
Updated On: 12/24/14 at 12:54 PM
#148
Posted: 12/24/14 at 1:49pm
....but the world goes 'round
#149
Posted: 1/4/15 at 9:20pm
No she's not. Her husband caused the issue. If he didn't go irate over a visitor.
Not to mention the Witch's mother caused the entire fiasco with those stupid beans.
You know, according to YOUR FAULT all the characters involved in that song too responsability but the Witch.
Not to mention the Witch's mother caused the entire fiasco with those stupid beans.
You know, according to YOUR FAULT all the characters involved in that song too responsability but the Witch.
Updated On: 1/4/15 at 09:20 PM
#150
Posted: 1/5/15 at 9:50am
lol
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