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Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
#75Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 11/14/14 at 8:26am
And that's what makes this piece especially odious.
"Odious"...it's such a heinous word.
#76Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 11/14/14 at 8:34am
" he says a friend was going to eat him. It doesn't say for certain if it was the husband. Maybe the giants have have kids or a dog."
That's not at all what the song says. It says he befriended the Giant's Wife, and then someone bigger than her came along to eat him (the Giant).
The song indicates he only decides to steal AFTER being pursued by the Giant.
"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."
Fantod
Broadway Legend Joined: 10/3/14
#77Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 11/14/14 at 10:45amAfter Eight, fair enough. Like I said in my other comment, I'm going to pass my own judgement because that is all that is fair. To me you seem quite nice, but I was merely stating that others had reason enough to have their opinions of you because they have "known" you for longer than I have. I am very thankful that you were nice to me in the beginning when everyone else thought that I was a "sock puppet", but to be fair they were just on the defensive. I don't know if you ever saw that other thread, but I eventually proved who I was and a few apologized to me via PM, and I just considered it no harm no foul because I wasn't belittled for too long. So I am not just going to trust what they say about you, just acknowledging that they might have their reasons for the way that they think about you.
After Eight
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/5/09
#78Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 11/14/14 at 11:06am
"just acknowledging that they might have their reasons for the way that they think about you."
No doubt. But then, I have my reasons for the way I think about them.
In my case, sound ones.
In any event, I hope you have a good experience on this board. You've already made many astute comments here.
Just bear in mind the expression, once burned, twice shy.
#79Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 11/14/14 at 11:38am
And in our cases, not sound ones, being the implication.
Among the most rational, intelligent, longest-standing posters here, not a single one of them can stand you, but of course that doesn't fit your narrative, so that mountain of evidence must be jettisoned without consideration or reflection.
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#80Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 11/14/14 at 11:57am
I have a real problem with the end of a number of musicals:
HELLO DOLLY- a vulnerable older widow makes a highly suspect decision about her future happiness based on grounds which seem psychologically grounded in her inability to escape the grief of her departed first husband. Apparently we should celebrate her emotional fragility and irrational approach to her future security and happiness.
LA CAGE AUX FOLLES- a couple with a firm moral outlook are blackmailed into abandoning their principles in order to avoid undeserved shaming by the paperazzi. An emotionally fragile fading star performer is expected to reconcile with the lover who betrayed him and virtually banished him from his own house in the desire to hypocritically pose as a respectable heterosexual father.
DEAR WORLD- unpunished murder in the sewers; need I say more?
MACK & MABEL- a self-deluding,unrepentant, neglectful, philandering work obsessive attempts to rewrite history and reclaim the woman he drove to heroin addiction, possible murder and an early death.
- and all with the zippiest, most hedonistic, unapologetically breezy music indeed!
Odious! Outrageous! Vile! Putrescent!
(I hope I haven't willfully ignored the moral complexity of any of these works- what kind of a poster would that make me?)
henrikegerman
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/29/05
#81Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 11/14/14 at 12:07pm
"wow henrikegerman. Ive never really thought of it that way. you are right. thankyou for giving me a different prosepective."
_ Taz - OP
No thread can possibly be stupid in which I have challenged an interpretation and succeeded in bringing the challenged OP - thank you Taz! - to an understanding that "Act II is brilliant. I see that now."
lol
#82Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 11/14/14 at 12:20pm
Fantod, cherish AfterEight's friendship while you can. Because I can guarantee it will be eventually go away, when he will decide that your opinions, tastes, or writing style no longer fit in with his worldview and will lament that a bright bulb on this board has dimmed. And then you will be added to his bizarre narrative of his time on this board, in which he is a humble and kind truthteller, one of the regrettable few who is immune to the cabal of tasteless self-proclaimed intelligentsia constantly hoisting odious works upon the naive ticket-buying public and a constant victim of baseless attacks by lesser minds, who yearns for a simpler time in the early 80s, when the last good new musical, La Cage aux Folles, was written.
"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."
Updated On: 11/14/14 at 12:20 PM
#83Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 11/14/14 at 12:29pm
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#84Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 11/14/14 at 2:19pm
No doubt. But then, I have my reasons for the way I think about them.
In my case, sound ones.
An odious response.
"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian
#85Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 11/14/14 at 2:39pm
Among the most rational, intelligent, longest-standing posters here,
Oh, growly! That was so sweet of you to refer to me that way.
I'm blushing.
#86Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 11/14/14 at 4:01pm
PalJoey is a class of his own to the point where NO ONE will ever take that away from him. He's a treasure and one of the absolute best members of the boards.
His posts (and that of the late Margo Channing) are one the true reasons why I joined in the first place.
Phyllis Rogers Stone
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/16/07
#87Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 12/22/14 at 2:24pm
#88Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 12/22/14 at 4:10pmNo. It is one of the best musicals around. It states you better be careful what you want/wish or the tale you tell that is the wish because there will be consequences to that wish/action.
Tom McGovern Jr
Fantod
Broadway Legend Joined: 10/3/14
#89Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 12/23/14 at 12:46pmSee, I think that's what's so screwed up about Into the Woods. Are they saying that we aren't allowed to just randomly hope for things? Does James Lapine just want us to be happy with what we have, even if it is miserable, and never want something else? These characters weren't talking to genies, they were just talking to the air. How in any way did any of the characters deserve their fates? They just wanted things. You as a person probably have hopes and dreams, but do you deserve to have everyone you love killed because of that? It just infuriates me.
Phyllis Rogers Stone
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/16/07
#90Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 12/23/14 at 12:47pm
You as a person probably have hopes and dreams, but do you deserve to have everyone you love killed because of that?
Yes.
#91Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 12/23/14 at 1:00pm
Does James Lapine just want us to be happy with what we have, even if it is miserable, and never want something else?
Yes.
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#92Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 12/23/14 at 1:07pm
"Yes."
Yes.
Liza's Headband
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/28/13
#93Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 12/23/14 at 1:07pm
Are they saying that we aren't allowed to just randomly hope for things?
Yes.
#94Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 12/23/14 at 1:43pm
Fantod, I'm sure you know Lapine isn't saying "Just be content with what you have and never wish for anything." He's saying, "Be aware that the wishes you make and the actions you take have consequences. Always."
The characters aren't just "talking to the air", as you put it. They all take actions to achieve their desires.
henrikegerman
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/29/05
#95Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 12/23/14 at 4:35pm
" Does James Lapine just want us to be happy with what we have, even if it is miserable, and never want something else? "
You've almost got it right.
Replace "Lapine" with "Buddha" and "even if it is miserable" with "as long as it is mindful" and you're half way to enlightenment.
#96Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 12/23/14 at 5:10pm
Wow. I'm way off base.
I thought the moral was don't ever mess with the greens, especially the beans.
....but the world goes 'round
FindingNamo
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/22/03
#97Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 12/23/14 at 5:12pm
These characters weren't talking to genies, they were just talking to the air.
For such an old man who's been seeing musicals since the '40s, you don't seem to know how they work.
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#98Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 12/23/14 at 5:28pm
The moral is never to mess with the greens, especially the beans because that is what caused the whole mess to begin with.
Stay in your own damn back yard!
THE END.
Fantod
Broadway Legend Joined: 10/3/14
#99Anyone else have a problem with the ending of Into the woods? Its pretty morally disgusting
Posted: 12/23/14 at 6:57pmI'm slightly confused what everyone is trying to say to me. I'm sure that's not what Lapine wanted, but it's the first impression I get from the show with the whole "careful what you wish for" theme.
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