...Are there any Republicans in the arts?- Page 3

[thecarf]

Posted: 3/14/05 at 2:59pm

I know a couple of people in the arts who are pretty staunch Republicans. I'm not sure for me, that the issue is a Red State/Blue State one necessarily in the case of "Avenue Q". (I can't comment on "Dirty Rotten Scoundrels" as I haven't seen it.) I'm guessing that if the writers feel as I do, they're trying to express a feeling of disenfranchisement that they've had since George Bush took office. Realistically speaking, people on the left side of things have been treated kind of like second class citizens in the Bush years. You may not agree but, many do feel that way. So, to say "George Bush is only for now" might make one person chuckle, another person angry and a third rejoice. If they rejoice, its because they finally have some comfort in thinking that he won't be here forever. Or maybe they finally feel like someone is listening. Nobody likes to be ignored, I guess.

I don't think its wrong to have this stuff in a show. It seems to be relevant to the audience that has cheered at that line each time I've seen the show. Beyond that, the line has provoked a dialogue. So, I guess it works on more than one level.

As far as Republicans in the arts, they're welcome as far as I'm concerned. It takes all types to make the world spin. If along the way, they want a dialogue or debate, so much the better.

Thanks for an interesting thread.

[robbiej]

Posted: 3/14/05 at 3:09pm

Don't get me wrong. I disagree w/ GW Bush on just about everything (how many people don't have access to decent health care in this country??).

I guess I'm surprised that people find it odd that the whole gay marriage thing could be a deal breaker.

And as a registered, gay republican, what was it that made you vote for John Kerry.

[baddadnpa]

Posted: 3/14/05 at 3:09pm

Only in the red states.

[Justice]

Posted: 3/14/05 at 3:19pm

"I feel like DRS and Q there were going for cheap laughs. I mean, it's not even clever, they're dumb rhymes."


As per your opinion. The majority of the audience doesn't think so...

[Gothampc]

Posted: 3/14/05 at 3:38pm

"how many people don't have access to decent health care in this country??"

1)socialized healthcare is not part of the Republican belief system

2)this is a question for Hillary Clinton since she screwed it all up

[melissa errico fan]

Posted: 3/14/05 at 3:42pm

Thecarf, here is the DRS line. Judge for yourself:

"The Bushes from Tex
Were nervous wrecks
Because their son was dim...
And look at what happened to him!"

Mean spirited? Not at all.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 3/14/05 at 3:43pm

As usual, Goth HAS to bring in the Clintons as if mentioning the Clintons is the end all be all retort. Clearly, Goth can't defend his President, so he has to deflect. As usual.

And I should think the party of COMPASSIONATE conservatives would want a healthcare system. But, no, the irony of the Republican party is that it serves the wealthy and the corporate side of America. Really now--what WOULD Jesus do?

[robbiej]

Posted: 3/14/05 at 3:50pm

goth,

And your point? I was pointing out another issue why I wouldn't vote for W.

And you're right, Hil screwed that one up. She'd even tell you that her leading that charge was a problem. And, again, I say, what is your point?

[melissa errico fan]

Posted: 3/14/05 at 3:50pm

"As usual, Goth HAS to bring in the Clintons as if mentioning the Clintons is the end all be all retort. Clearly, Goth can't defend his President, so he has to deflect. As usual."

It's very true. I have problems like this with my father-in-law all the time. Republicans will never get over Clinton. They will hate him till the end of time because he did so many things that they couldn't.

Updated On: 3/14/05 at 03:50 PM

[thecarf]

Posted: 3/14/05 at 3:52pm

Errico Fan-
Just looking at the lines, I'd have to say, no, this is not mean spirited unless you're his mother or you happen to think he's Jesus. The man's not known for his intellectual prowess. (Then again, I do like a good Bush joke.)
Updated On: 3/14/05 at 03:52 PM

[Gothampc]

Posted: 3/14/05 at 3:55pm

"And your point? I was pointing out another issue why I wouldn't vote for W."

The point is that you are expecting a Republican to address issues that are not a part of his party's political agenda. And by looking at the broken Social Security system, why should he address Social Healthcare?

[melissa errico fan]

Posted: 3/14/05 at 3:57pm

"Errico Fan-
Just looking at the lines, I'd have to say, no, this is not mean spirited unless you're his mother or you happen to think he's Jesus. The man's not known for his intellectual prowess. (Then again, I do like a good Bush joke.) "

It's harmless. Believe me, I've heard worse things come out of Bush Almighty's own mouth about John Kerry et. al.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 3/14/05 at 3:57pm

because he's supposedly so COMPASSIONATE. And supposedly wants FREEDOM for ALL Americans.

Obviously he does--except for gays and the poor.

[thecarf]

Posted: 3/14/05 at 4:05pm

EF-
He (GWB) does seem to have been annointed and declared sacred, I think you'd agree. I remember laughing at Bill Clinton. My guess is that humor has been banned since then.

Reminds me of the Sondheim lyric "Everybody says Don't....Laugh at the King".

I trust the lyric is harmless.

[robbiej]

Posted: 3/14/05 at 4:11pm

'The point is that you are expecting a Republican to address issues that are not a part of his party's political agenda.'

Oh sweet Lord Jesus, whom you love so much, Goth!

1-800-ABCDEFG.

It works.

Never once did I say I expected a Republican to address that issue. I was clearly stating why I would not vote for him.

Heavens, man (or woman...we can't really figure that one out)! LEARN TO ACTUALLY READ!!!!!

[JohnPopa]

Posted: 3/14/05 at 4:12pm

Bush jokes work because right now he's 'The Man' and 'The Man' is always the enemy of creative people and outsiders and a cheap and easy joke. It's not like there weren't Clinton jokes when he was in office.

What's entertaining to me is seeing how humorless most conservatives are about themselves and their place in things. It's like they think they're going to be on top and the whole nation's just going to embrace their goodness and thank them for gracing them with their wisdom and guidance. Ehhhhhrrrr ... no, you wanna be the big shots, then you TAKE the big shots. That's the way it works.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 3/14/05 at 4:12pm

robbie--it isn't reading the posts that are a problem. It's not knowing how to edit the talking points being copied and pasted that is the problem.

[robbiej]

Posted: 3/14/05 at 4:15pm

And it's a little disturbing not knowing Goth's sex.

Goth once told of how s/he looks a bit like John Cameron Mitchell.

With the existence of Juliette Lewis and Rachel Griffiths, you can understand the confusion.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 3/14/05 at 4:17pm

robbiej--I worship you. I'm going to make bracelets that say WWRJD?

[Gothampc]

Posted: 3/14/05 at 4:22pm

"And it's a little disturbing not knowing Goth's sex."

Male.

"Goth once told of how s/he looks a bit like John Cameron Mitchell."

How dull is your life that you can remember something like that?

[robbiej]

Posted: 3/14/05 at 4:25pm

Goth,

I've memorized Shakespeare and the entire score to A LITTLE NIGHT MUSIC (yes...all of 'Liasons'). Ya think I can't remember an interesting little factoid about everyone's favorite fundamentalist?

[PalJoey]

Posted: 3/14/05 at 4:41pm

Okay Robbie--GO!

Look, ma'am, an invitation.
Here, ma'am, delivered by hand.
And, ma'am, you'll notice the sta-
-tionery's engraved and very grand!...

[kelzama]

Posted: 3/14/05 at 4:44pm

Granted, this should be another thread, but I didn't start it.

"how many people don't have access to decent health care in this country?"

Correct answer: None.

Everyone in this country has ACCESS to healthcare; no one is denied emergency treatment. Only catch is there's a price.

What we don't have (Thank God) is "free" healthcare for everyone. Why do you think the well-heeled from countries with socialized medicine choose to come to the US, and pay for their treatments?

How many people cannot AFFORD healthcare? Another topic entirely, but generally, those who choose other priorities. Personally we pay over $750 per month to cover our family health care expenses. As small business owners, we are not wealthy. It requires budgeting and sacrifice. I wouldn't dream of not having health care insurance. Other plans for an individual for catastrophic coverage start around $150/month in most major metropolitan cities. The more out-of-pocket you're willing to pay, the less the premium.

And there are forms of socialized medicine, between medicaid, medicare, social security, VA hospitals, low-income children's coverage, etc. both on national and state levels.

The system, by far, ain't perfect, but profit's still the best motive for companies to dump billions into research to cure diseases. Goodwill doesn't pay the bills. Socialize medicine and lose quality and cutting-edge research.

[GirlforTartaglia]

Posted: 3/14/05 at 4:47pm

I think that Nathan Lanes humor in The Frogs was borderline mean.. I still like him though :)

[PalJoey]

Posted: 3/14/05 at 4:47pm

Answer: 44 million Americans are without health insurance.

More than the total number of people living in Minnesota, Iowa, Missouri, Arkansas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Kansas, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana, and Colorado combined.