#101
Posted: 9/19/05 at 2:04pm
oh please try being a hard minority in theatre my friend is Mormon and he is doing a nude scene in a play now that is called testing someones faith!
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#102
Posted: 9/19/05 at 2:12pm
"In this country Christianity is not the minority but when you are in the entertainment buisness you are most deffinitely the minority. Her point was proven by this post, it's controversial to be a Christian and be on broadway...we are sure talking about it. "
I disagree, I think the only time your religion is actually a problem is when you bring it in to your workplace and expect people to have a reaction.
I have no idea what religion most of the people I work with practice. I think the "expecting a reaction" from people should be a sign that maybe the workplace isn't the most approrpriate place and maybe the reaction you get from people is because they feel they're being made uncomfortable with it being in the workplace. Kind of like Tom Cruise setting up Scientology tents on his film sets.
As for her publicist, they should really just instruct her not to bad mouth your former bosses, especially when one is producing your Dusty project. Generality gets people in trouble and she may know Marc Platt was nice and he may not have a problem with her yet he was one of the producers.
I disagree, I think the only time your religion is actually a problem is when you bring it in to your workplace and expect people to have a reaction.
I have no idea what religion most of the people I work with practice. I think the "expecting a reaction" from people should be a sign that maybe the workplace isn't the most approrpriate place and maybe the reaction you get from people is because they feel they're being made uncomfortable with it being in the workplace. Kind of like Tom Cruise setting up Scientology tents on his film sets.
As for her publicist, they should really just instruct her not to bad mouth your former bosses, especially when one is producing your Dusty project. Generality gets people in trouble and she may know Marc Platt was nice and he may not have a problem with her yet he was one of the producers.
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#103
Posted: 9/19/05 at 2:13pm
Thank you, Namo - I heart you too.
Is the naked Mormon really a "hard" minority?
Is the naked Mormon really a "hard" minority?
#104
Posted: 9/19/05 at 2:31pm
"I can understand her viewpoint on this issue. It's rare to be a Christian in the entertainment buisness and the moment it comes out that you are people put the filters on their mouth and watch and disect everything you say."
Yes, EXACTLY. This is exactly what I gleaned she's trying to say in the article.
And the stretch to Tom Cruise is, I daresay, quite an innacurate analogy. Tom Cruise is on every talkshow on the planet completely embarrassing himself to the point of making completely ignorant statements about crap he doesn't know all that much about. There is a HUGE difference between going on the TODAY show, which is NOT even a religious forum but a general entertainment forum, and ranting about Scientology, and doing an article in a Christian Magazine, which quite obviously is designed for a Christian audience, and talking about your experiences (negative or positive) and how your beliefs structured them. Had Kristin been in ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY, or another such magazine, I imagine her responses (and the questions posed) would have been VASTLY less faith and religion oriented.
<---- actually just had a discussion at work (at lunch) about religious practices. One of my co-workers is extremely devout, and we proceeded to talk at length about our own beliefs and why we believe them. It's called being social. These things sometimes end up discussed in social environments. And yes, on occasion, work DOES become a social enironment.
Yes, EXACTLY. This is exactly what I gleaned she's trying to say in the article.
And the stretch to Tom Cruise is, I daresay, quite an innacurate analogy. Tom Cruise is on every talkshow on the planet completely embarrassing himself to the point of making completely ignorant statements about crap he doesn't know all that much about. There is a HUGE difference between going on the TODAY show, which is NOT even a religious forum but a general entertainment forum, and ranting about Scientology, and doing an article in a Christian Magazine, which quite obviously is designed for a Christian audience, and talking about your experiences (negative or positive) and how your beliefs structured them. Had Kristin been in ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY, or another such magazine, I imagine her responses (and the questions posed) would have been VASTLY less faith and religion oriented.
<---- actually just had a discussion at work (at lunch) about religious practices. One of my co-workers is extremely devout, and we proceeded to talk at length about our own beliefs and why we believe them. It's called being social. These things sometimes end up discussed in social environments. And yes, on occasion, work DOES become a social enironment.
#105
Posted: 9/19/05 at 2:33pm
Hard? Mormons? Try Jehovah's Witnesses! 
No Christmas pageants, no Side Show (includes a birthday!), no Annie (that has Christmas, AND a president), no 1776 (self-explanitory), no Rent (SCARY), no Grease (worldly teenagers, aaah!!!), South Pacific (politics, aaah!), Beauty and the Beast (a kingdom and a prince)...
No Christmas pageants, no Side Show (includes a birthday!), no Annie (that has Christmas, AND a president), no 1776 (self-explanitory), no Rent (SCARY), no Grease (worldly teenagers, aaah!!!), South Pacific (politics, aaah!), Beauty and the Beast (a kingdom and a prince)...
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Updated On: 9/19/05 at 02:33 PM
#106
Posted: 9/19/05 at 2:44pm
Ooohhh, I do know a Mormon in WICKED maybe he pissed her off!
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#107
Posted: 9/19/05 at 3:51pm
"There is a HUGE difference between going on the TODAY show, which is NOT even a religious forum but a general entertainment forum, and ranting about Scientology, and doing an article in a Christian Magazine, which quite obviously is designed for a Christian audience, and talking about your experiences (negative or positive) and how your beliefs structured them."
It's because Tom Cruise is a far bigger celebrity and under more public scrutiny that he's ASKED some of the questions.
Not that I want to defend Tom Cruise because I think his beliefs are a little off, but he was asked to address the issue by Matt Lauer. I don't agree with him, but because he opened the Pandora's box of his beliefs, so did Kristin.
And I take it back, her publicist is either getting smarter or been replaced. The paragraph on her website referring to Women of Faith actually never addresses exactly why she was asked to leave specifically, leaving room, like the interview, for speculation and discussion.
It's because Tom Cruise is a far bigger celebrity and under more public scrutiny that he's ASKED some of the questions.
Not that I want to defend Tom Cruise because I think his beliefs are a little off, but he was asked to address the issue by Matt Lauer. I don't agree with him, but because he opened the Pandora's box of his beliefs, so did Kristin.
And I take it back, her publicist is either getting smarter or been replaced. The paragraph on her website referring to Women of Faith actually never addresses exactly why she was asked to leave specifically, leaving room, like the interview, for speculation and discussion.
If you really want to help the American theater, don't be an actress, dahling. Be an audience.....
Don't be taken in by the guff that critics are killing the theater. Commonly they sin on the side of enthusiasm. Too often they give their blessing to trash...
Tallulah Bankhead
#108
Posted: 9/19/05 at 4:23pm
Um. She was really convincing in her role as Galinda/Glinda. That's honestly all I ask of these people...entertainment. I don't care if she believes that some big purple fish living in the bottom of the ocean was responsible for creation. She portrayed her role as the "Good Witch" quite well.
I made it a point to read all posts before even attempting to submit my own opinion. Out of curiosity, why do you people even CARE what her religious beliefs are? Does it personally affect you? Just wondering.
Namo, you're hysterical. Realists are few and far between on these boards...
I made it a point to read all posts before even attempting to submit my own opinion. Out of curiosity, why do you people even CARE what her religious beliefs are? Does it personally affect you? Just wondering.
Namo, you're hysterical. Realists are few and far between on these boards...
#109
Posted: 9/19/05 at 5:10pm
my goodness. this is all just wrong. First, no one should lose respect for her just because she has strong belief in her faith. I'm sure many people have a strong belief in something whether it's religion related or not. i still like her.
Kristin Chenoweth could barely control a Great Dane she trotted onto the stage. "Great, they gave me a dog that weighs five times what I do", she quipped. For the record, she weighs 93 pounds, and has a Maltese.
#110
Posted: 9/19/05 at 5:26pm
Wow, what an enormous response. Although I can't comment on Mormans or Jewish performers in the industry, I can say that no one knows for a fact that Kristin and Idina had any troubles at all. I'm not saying there's no way they fought, I'm saying no one here was in the cast or knows them personally. Sure, Kristin could very well be talking about Idina. However, let's not assume and base a lot of our responses on the premise that Kristin blew up on Idina.
#111
Posted: 9/19/05 at 6:06pm
"I'm saying no one here was in the cast or knows them personally...."
And you know this for a fact how, exactly?
And you know this for a fact how, exactly?
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#112
Posted: 9/19/05 at 6:51pm
Well no one has revealed that they are in the cast. And that's not the point. Most of this stuff is based on what can only be viewed as a rumor and is based on no concrete facts.
#113
Posted: 9/19/05 at 8:43pm
"I can say that no one knows for a fact that Kristin and Idina had any troubles at all"
What an untrue assumption.
What an untrue assumption.
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#114
Posted: 9/19/05 at 8:48pm
OH Lordy. I'm sorry, I'm all for intelligent conversations on BWW, but is this about religion in the workplace or Cheno's religion? We have had WAAAY too many discussion on her and her faith. I love her to death of course, but then people get unnecessarily hostile.
Unless this is a conversation about religion on Broadway in general.
In which case....
Unless this is a conversation about religion on Broadway in general.
In which case....
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#115
Posted: 11/27/18 at 7:07am
Obviously this was simply a reference to how Christians can be perceived as people who are nice 100% of the time and that simply not being the case- as for the Tony, what she meant was that they didn't promote her for the NOMINATION more so than the win because she says that she got nominated anyway despite the alleged lack of promotion. Not sure how people can take it as her saying that she did not win the Tony because she was a Christian.
#116
Posted: 11/27/18 at 7:48am
Really you brought back a 13 year old thread.
Well I didn't want to get into it, but he's a Satanist.
Every full moon he sacrifices 4 puppies to the Dark Lord and smears their blood on his paino.
This should help you understand the score for Wicked a little bit more.
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#117
Posted: 11/27/18 at 8:02am
JohnPopa said: "Why doesn't it ever occur to these people that they have heat with people for real reasons, instead of perceived resistance to their religious beliefs?"
Because they think their identity is their religion and think all life and reasoning is about that. They have never encountered real reasoning or real life. That development is halted from a young age with religion. They seem actually confused and offended when you treat them as real life people, with real reasoning.
Of course everything she says is treated with suspicion, because standpoints and reasoning come from life experience and never from a chosen standpoint from one of the 4200 contradicting religions. "because my god says so" has no worth per definition because your neighbour Christian says the opposite.
Why is she playing the victim role now and whining about not being level? Yes, she is a victim, but from religion. She is blaming the wrong people for not being understood.
Life rises above religion. Life has so much more to offer, religion is insultingly limited. The journey of life begins where religion ends. Luckily many people learn that from a young age to develop a wide and well-rounded worldview.
Edit: I know a Christian, a Muslim and an Atheist who reject homosexuality, the first 2 because they say their god says so, the last one because his parents said it was wrong. Only the last person can explain himself. No hiding there.
I also know a Christian, a Muslim and an Atheist who think the opposite, and fight for gay rights. The first 2 because they say to themselves that their god, apparently the same god as the "against camp", created them and approves of them, and the last one because his brother is gay. No matter what you call it, the first 3 have the same belief and the second 3 have the same belief.
The indicator for opinions is clearly never a religion. It's the existence (or absence) of actual reasoning aside from a god that makes the difference.
Updated On: 11/27/18 at 08:02 AM
#118
Posted: 11/27/18 at 8:55am
Idina won because it is the better part and she knocked it out of the park. I have seen Wicked 4 times and each time I find the Galinda part cute and funny but Elphaba has more depth...I do know people who met Idina after a show and said she is not friendly or nice..(shy??? I never believe that of any performer , I just don't believe real shy people can perform for thousands and then act shy in front of one ) but some people don't smile easily ..I love Idina and don't stage door anyone because it can lead to disappointment ,..I like the illusion!!! Kristen can say what she feels ...she earned it
#119
Posted: 11/27/18 at 9:02am
Tonya Pinkins was robbed for CAROLINE, OR CHANGE.
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#120
Posted: 11/27/18 at 9:34am
Having seen all of the nominees for this category, as much as I love Kristin generally she was at best giving the 4th most deserving performance that year.
I would have voted for Tonya Pinkins (whose indelible performance in COC I still think about every year) but Donna Murphy was also giving a universally acclaimed performance in WONDERFUL TOWN (which was probably better than the two she had actually already won the Tony for) and Idina had the character with a bigger arc and profile.
One could even argue that Stephanie D'Abruzzo (the 5th nominee from Avenue Q) was stretching out her acting muscles more than Kristin in playing multiple puppet characters in Kate Monster and Lucy. I would say that this might have been the most talented year for this category in the first decade of the 21st century...
#121
Posted: 11/27/18 at 9:53am
Why did you bump this, Soaring29? It's almost as old as the next Evan Hansen.
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#122
Posted: 11/27/18 at 9:56am
Not sure how people can take it as her saying that she did not win the Tony because she was a Christian.
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#123
"Hey little girls, look at all the men in shiny shirts and no wives!" - Jackie Hoffman, Xanadu, 19 Feb 2008
Posted: 11/27/18 at 10:06am
Wow, nice find whoever bumped it up. I wonder if she still feels this way all these years later, especially after laying on the love so thickly during that 15th Anniversary special. Maybe she should get an Emmy for that performance!
"Hey little girls, look at all the men in shiny shirts and no wives!" - Jackie Hoffman, Xanadu, 19 Feb 2008
#124
Posted: 11/27/18 at 10:10am
Why bump this thread?
If nothing else, this allowed me to reminisce and read the thoughts of some of my favorite posters from yesteryear.
#125
Posted: 11/27/18 at 10:54am
bryan2 said: "Idina won because it is the better part and she knocked it out of the park. I have seen Wicked 4 times and each time I find the Galinda part cute and funny but Elphaba has more depth...I do know people who met Idina after a show and said she is not friendly or nice..(shy??? I never believe that of any performer , I just don't believe real shy people can perform for thousands and then act shy in front of one ) but some people don't smile easily ..I love Idina and don't stage door anyone because it can lead to disappointment ,..I like the illusion!!! Kristen can say what she feels ...she earned it"
I actually believe a lot of actors are shy. Performing as a character in front of thousands is not the same thing as being yourself in front of a crowd. Actors come in all shapes and personalities, some super extroverted and an equal amount very introverted and private. Certainly Idina isn't the only one who would consider herself shy.
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