China Doll Previews Thread- Page 6
China Doll Previews Thread
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/11/04
China Doll Previews Thread#125
Posted: 10/30/15 at 10:27am
I stopped at the box office to check the veracity of the statement that standing room for this show is $67.
Indeed it is. What colossal greed and nerve on the part of the producers. And what stupidity of those who enable such outrages. I hope no one opts for SR so that this will be only a temporary aberration from sanity and will not spread like the plague of premium seating.
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/17/03
China Doll Previews Thread#126
Posted: 10/30/15 at 10:51am
Once something like this is instituted , like taxes, it never goes away. Remember facility fees? How about premium seating?
The only way to stop it is for people to stop buying the tickets. Anyone who hears horror stories about China and still buys tickets, I have no pity for them. You deserve what you get.
Chorus Member Joined: 12/20/12
China Doll Previews Thread#127
Posted: 10/30/15 at 11:49am
Aren't Playbills always black and white during previews?
Chorus Member Joined: 12/20/12
China Doll Previews Thread#130
Posted: 10/30/15 at 12:03pm
Even if only half of what Riedel writes is factual, this production seems to be setting a new standard of unprofessionalism... A careless playwright, a hostile and dejected star, and a director saddled with individuals too disinterested to try to make any changes.
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/17/03
China Doll Previews Thread#131
Posted: 10/30/15 at 12:09pm
Didn't Bono pull a disappearing act during the trials & tribulations of Spiderman?
China Doll Previews Thread#132
Posted: 10/30/15 at 1:07pm
What's the point of having previews if the playwright isn't present to fix things?
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/29/08
China Doll Previews Thread#133
Posted: 10/30/15 at 1:11pmI think Bono & Edge were always planned to be away during the process, so I wouldn't call it a disappearing act. Probably the same with Mamet-- that they knew he would be out of town. But that doesn't make it a good idea.
China Doll Previews Thread#134
Posted: 10/30/15 at 2:05pm
I won't see this show but I saw Al Pacino in Hughie in Mark Taper years ago and I was thoroughly disappointed. I'm sorry to say he is not cut out for a live theatre any more.
China Doll Previews Thread#135
Posted: 10/30/15 at 2:11pm
Don't forget that Elton John was no where near any of his shows at all during the creative process.
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/29/08
China Doll Previews Thread#136
Posted: 10/30/15 at 2:14pmConsidering most of his shows have been hits (Lestat excepted, obviously), that worked out just fine for him, didn't it Jeffrey?
China Doll Previews Thread#137
Posted: 10/30/15 at 2:47pm
Jeffrey, nobody is saying that nightly attendance and revision of composers or playwrights is a prerequisite for a Broadway production. China Doll is a highly anticipated new play making its first stage debut, though. Elton John's Aida had out-of-town tryouts, for example, and whether he was physically in Atlanta watching the production on a nightly basis or not, he subsequently cut songs and repurposed others for the Broadway premiere. With China Doll, on the other hand, Mamet appears to have written one draft of the play and abandoned the development process during the production's one opportunity to make any changes. Tremendously different situations that are foolish to compare...
Swing Joined: 5/5/12
China Doll Previews Thread#138
Posted: 10/30/15 at 2:52pm
The word I am hearing is that some producers of the show are pushing to postpone the opening date in order to maximize grosses before the reviews come out. Has anyone else heard that?
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/29/08
China Doll Previews Thread#139
Posted: 10/30/15 at 3:01pmramsay, I hadn't heard that yet but would not be at all surprised.
China Doll Previews Thread#140
Posted: 10/30/15 at 3:21pm
I know Elton John was a little more involved with Billy Elliot through meetings with Lee Hall and Stephen Daldry, as well as phone calls.
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/1/14
China Doll Previews Thread#141
Posted: 10/30/15 at 3:29pm
Wow, I was remotely interested because of Pacino's involvement, but this whole thread about it is horrific. Out of curiosity, I checked Twitter to see what sort of word-of-mouth might be out there... And found this hilarious thing at the top:
2 CHINA DOLL AL PACINO PREMIUM CENTER ORCHESTRA ROW F 11/21 GERALD SCHOENFELD NY: $1,199.00 (ebay)
Anyway, only in the past week-ish, there were a couple iffy tweets and a bunch of positive ones like one calling Pacino's acting a "masterclass" and a very positive tweet from some ESPN guy with 900k followers. Interesting. I wonder if the praise is colored by the desire to be in the same room with a legendary actor or, as someone suggested, obligatory due to paying for the ticket prices (we'll never know).
At the rate it's going with grosses, would reviews really matter?
China Doll Previews Thread#142
Posted: 10/30/15 at 4:24pm
Saw the show last night. Loved Pacino, the show could be better. Standing ovation and cheers at the end. Mamet was in the audience. Does anyone really believe Reidel's crap anymore?
Updated On: 10/30/15 at 04:24 PMChina Doll Previews Thread#143
Posted: 10/30/15 at 4:28pm
My friend somehow got $52 orchestra seats for Thursday.. Haven't seen Pacino so if it makes one of my bottom five worst things that I've ever seen it could be worth it. If it replaces "The Secret Rapture" as the worst play ever I will be impressed...
China Doll Previews Thread#144
Posted: 10/30/15 at 4:41pm
This whole thing has really been intriguing. I wonder how much of what Riedel wrote was crap if Knowitall saw Mamet last night. I think that the Pam McKinnon thing is proabably an exaggeration. I doubt she's "pacing nervously around all night at the back of the theatre." And if Pacino is so depressed after the show, why has he been doing the stage door after night with a huge smile and signing and taking pictures with fans? I'm going to check this show out for myself.
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/1/14
China Doll Previews Thread#145
Posted: 10/30/15 at 4:43pm
Given that most of the stuff I saw (in brief skimming) was in the "Pacino was great, play is meh" vein, I think as long as someone goes in with low expectations of the material and a healthy appreciation for Pacino, it might turn out a better night. Unfortunately that rewards these commercial Broadway shenanigans, but such is the business.
China Doll Previews Thread#146
Posted: 10/30/15 at 4:47pm
wexy, if you could find out how your friend scored $52 orch seats let me know. I'm going but maybe could take someone else with a ticket that price. Thanks.
Swing Joined: 10/29/15
China Doll Previews Thread#147
Posted: 10/30/15 at 10:40pm
Why are so many people so mad about this play? It's not that they didn't like it, it's that they are seething about it? Is it just the ticket price? Are other star vehicles similarly expensive? I read that NY Post article that someone linked. Why would they spoil the ending of the show? I know a poster on this board complained that the Playbill listed someone's job and that job suggests what might happen in play. But Riedel just spoiled the ending. What's up with that? (He also reviewed the play a bit. I thought you were supposed to wait until the show opens. I guess that's a thing of the past too. I'm glad that they are making new Mamet plays and not just doing his classics over and over again. It's a short run, right? But selling well. I assume they'll try to find another actor to play the Pacino character. Is there any talk of that. Or is that premature.
China Doll Previews Thread#148
Posted: 10/30/15 at 11:10pm
mamaleh said: "I stopped at the box office to check the veracity of the statement that standing room for this show is $67. Indeed it is. What colossal greed and nerve on the part of the producers."
To be fair, you only have to stand for one act. There will be seats for you to sit in for act two.
China Doll Previews Thread#149
Posted: 10/30/15 at 11:12pm
Blender2 said: "I assume they'll try to find another actor to play the Pacino character. Is there any talk of that. Or is that premature."
The last thing they would want to do is give every advance ticket buyer a chance for a refund, given the word of mouth. Especially as a bunch of them are going to see Pacino moreso than Mamet.
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