Cynthia Erivo as Harriet Tubman- Page 3

[JBC3]

Posted: 9/17/18 at 1:22am

If ever here was a thread for the moderators to lock down, this seems to be a strong candidate.

[vanbrig]

Posted: 9/17/18 at 1:23am

Hellob said: "All 3 of the letters are from one Broadway role that allowed for some (legal) gaming."

Yeah, I don't care for the fact that performers can win an Emmy for a performance in a daytime program of a song that they sing eight times a week on Broadway. In my opinion, that cheapens the award.

That's a criticism of the category, though, not a dig at Cynthia or any other actor that has earned an Emmy that way. I mean, if they give you the Emmy, then you have every right to claim ownership of it. She did do an amazing job in The Color Purple. 

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[Hellob]

Posted: 9/17/18 at 1:31am

quizking101 said: "P.S - We’re all still waiting for you to come up with a actress who can fit what YOU think Harriet Tubman should be, within the mid 20s to late 30s age range the film will cover."

Samira Wiley

Issa Rae

KeKe Palmer

Stefanee Harris 

Zazie Beetz 

Aja Naomi King

for the record, I have no problem with the casting. I'm just throwing out names.



 

 

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[Hellob]

Posted: 9/17/18 at 1:38am

vanbrig said: "Hellob said: "All 3 of the letters are from one Broadway role that allowed for some (legal) gaming."

Yeah, I don't care for the fact that performers can win an Emmyfor a performance in a daytime program of a song that they sing eight times a week on Broadway. In my opinion, that cheapens the award.

That's a criticism of the category, though, not a dig at Cynthia or any other actor that has earned an Emmy that way. I mean, if they give you the Emmy, then you have every right to claim ownership of it. She did do an amazingjob in TheColor Purple."

I agree that it's a legal win. However, the fact that she's got 3/4 of her egot doesn't mean that she's not virtually unknown across the country. 

[vanbrig]

Posted: 9/17/18 at 1:44am

Hellob said: "I agree that it's a legal win. However,the fact that she's got 3/4 of her egotdoesn't meanthat she's not virtually unknown across the country."

Oh, definitely. She's known in certain circles for sure (like this one), but I agree that the vast majority of the nation isn't familiar with her or many theatre performers in general. For a lot of people, if an actor isn't someone in a hugely successful film or on a major TV show, then they don't know who that actor is. Not to mention that a lot of people don't pay attention to awards in general. 

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[binau]

Posted: 9/17/18 at 3:54am

To see this blatant racism towards Cynthia Erivo in part because of the particular African tribe her ancestors derived from is disturbing. For a movement that should aim to break down barriers and have individuals live peacefully together, you’re doing an awful job at it. Just another case of left-wing ideologies going so extreme they are closer aligned to racist right-ring ideas than any progressive ones. Cynthia Erivo is an INDIVIDUAL PERSON. A PERSON. She should be treated as a person, not a group member.

Updated On: 9/17/18 at 03:54 AM

[Speed]

Posted: 9/17/18 at 6:10am

Jesus Christ.  Thousands of actresses fighting for two roles a year?  Um Erivo HERSELF already has two roles in major motion pictures this year (Widows, Bad Times at the El Royale).  Writergirl exaggerates to such a degree that no worthy point is made.  And thousands don't compete for roles.  A small group of established theater/movie stars compete for these roles.  And show business is tough and it is difficult to get hired no matter what race you are.

[Dave28282]

Posted: 9/17/18 at 7:07am

These left-wing separatists surely love some discrimination.

I wonder when they will be content. When every nationality, race and sexuality lives on their own island, with their own movies, their own awards, their own rules and their own privilleges?

Or is it when the group of choice has complete world domination? Playing the victim role works both ways. You can't use it to get what you want and then throw it overboard in the next situation, by denying other people chances when the outcome doesn't benefit your situation.

A certain poster in this thread complains about work opportunity when a brit plays an American role, and that is a problem because there are only 2 of these roles a year. Does she have any idea how much non-American roles are played by Americans? So according to her theory that is wrong too. So she is basically making a statement that Americans should play lesser roles. Or she must shift agenda's constantly.

If she is truly convinced that Americans can play anything but Brit's can't I would like to read a more elaborate explanation on that.

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[CarlosAlberto]

Posted: 9/17/18 at 7:56am

Wow! This thread is so asinine.

I can't believe people like Writergirl28 are losing sleep over this!

This casting does not deserve the kind of backlash it is getting, These are not the days of Marlon Brando in "Teahouse of the August Moon" or Alec Guiness in "Majority of One", Mickey Rooney in "Breakfast at Tiffany's", Jennifer Jones in "Love is a Many Splendored Thing", Jeanne Crain in "Pinky", Susan Kohner in "Imitation of Life" or even Natalie Wood in "West Side Story" and "The Burning Hills" and "Kings Go Forth".

Those actors were cast in parts outside of their ethnicity. 

Erivo is a black woman playing a black woman. Where Erivo was born is irrelevant.

 

 

 

[Dave28282]

Posted: 9/17/18 at 8:18am

CarlosAlberto said: "Erivo is a black woman playing a black woman. Where Erivo was born is irrelevant."

Exactly. These left wing separatists are often so programmed (raised) to think in groups, that even though she is a black woman playing a black woman, they don't know how fast to move on to the next group/box they can possibly find.

This group (race, nationality, sexuality, etc) thinking is the core of the problem. It's like they are scared to think in human.

 

 

[thebeautyis3]

Posted: 9/17/18 at 9:53am

I don't have a problem that Erivo is English and playing this iconic role. I do have a problem with some of the things she says and tweets and retweets. Whether she believes it or not, a recent tweet/retweet of hers makes it sound like she looks down on African Americans (something about how they're jealous of Africans), so that kind of makes me not want to see her play one of America's greatest icons. (Maybe it was taken out of context I guess?)

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[NievesG]

Posted: 9/17/18 at 10:45am

I guess I missed a lot since the last time I posted but did Lupita Nyong'o get any backlash for 12 Years A Slave? I can't remember but I'm wondering if writer girl takes issue with that as well.

[RippedMan]

Posted: 9/17/18 at 11:14am

I keep thinking what if they tried to produce “Women on the Verge” now, with the cast they had... haha

[quizking101]

Posted: 9/17/18 at 11:42am

RippedMan said: "I keep thinking what if they tried to produce “Women on the Verge” now, with the cast they had... haha"

I feel like this would be a weird area, since many of the actors could convincingly "pass" as Spanish as, unlike Hispanic, which typically has darker skin, people from the country of Spain could be of lighter complexion. (Side note: My basis for this statement is having a Puerto Rican grandmother and a decade of Spanish public school education.)

The only ones of that cast that I could outright toss out would be Sherie Rene Scott and Mary Beth Peil. However, a bunch of that cast look strikingly close to their film versions (Julieta Serrano/LuPone, Maria Barranco/Benanti, Antonio Banderas (in 1988)/Guarini and Rossy de Palma/Lanzarone)

[CT2NYC]

Posted: 9/17/18 at 11:49am

On a somewhat related subject, I saw Cynthia in concert last night, and I really hope that her film career doesn't keep her away from the stage indefinitely. She was electrifying, and that voice belongs on Broadway!

Updated On: 9/17/18 at 11:49 AM

[WestEndGal]

Posted: 9/17/18 at 1:15pm

adamgreer said: "That being said, given Erivo’s history, I don’t feel bad at all that she’s getting some social media hate over this."

What’s the beef with Erico?

[BroadwayConcierge]

Posted: 9/17/18 at 1:17pm

WestEndGal said: "What’s the beef with Erico?"

She threw well more than her own two cents into the drama of Great Comet's casting and subsequent closing.

[ScottyDoesn'tKnow2]

Posted: 9/17/18 at 2:34pm

Although I can see the point Writergirl28 is making, even if I don't agree with it, so much of your post is really based on xenophobia and a real disdain for immigrants that it is seriously problematic. There is a real issue many vocal people feel about opportunities that should be given to descendants of chattel slavery are often given to others because of American's past real institutionalized hatred of freed slaves. That I don't think is debatable because there have been way too many laws to preserve a certain way of life to prevent rights being given to former slaves and their descendants. The Supreme Court even recognized it as "badges and incidents of slavery" and we're dealing with that now.

However, someone like Erivo has no real power here, and I believe directing this frustration and anger towards immigrants in such a blanket way reveals some sort of purity test and anti-immigrant sentiments that should make everyone who is into social justice pause and rethink. Some of the expressed feelings in this thread was really troubling to read regarding Erivo's background. 

I also don't agree that people need to pass a stringent purity test before they play roles as I think common sense can guide most people in matters of appropriate casting. 

I also think the fact that Writergirl28 went after Erivo in such a petty way really destroys any credibility she may have had. I mean, stick with the rational-based arguments. Taking it personal the way that you did just shows a true lack of maturity and thought.

[Dave28282]

Posted: 9/17/18 at 8:19pm

thebeautyis3 said: "I don't have a problem that Erivo is English and playing this iconic role. I do have a problem with some of the things she says and tweets and retweets. Whether she believes it or not, a recent tweet/retweet of hers makes it sound like she looks down on African Americans (something about how they're jealous of Africans), so that kind of makes me not want to see her play one of America's greatest icons. (Maybe it was taken out of context I guess?)"

Nearly all of her tweets and reactions prove that she approaches every situation with groups and separation in mind, also situations that have nothing to do with that, which is really a pity. I told her this once too. Thinking in human is the key to equality.

BUT, I see wrong when it happens, and even though she does it to others, in this case she is not doing anything wrong by playing that role and the remarks about why she shouldn't play the role are quite unfair. 

[haterobics]

Posted: 9/17/18 at 9:01pm

Dave28282 said: "Nearly all of her tweets and reactions prove that she approaches every situation with groups and separation in mind, also situations that have nothing to do with that,which is really a pity. I told her this once too."

Is there a video of her reaction to you schooling her on this?

[Writergirl28]

Posted: 9/17/18 at 11:05pm

qolbinau said: "To see this blatant racism towards Cynthia Erivo in partbecause of the particular African tribe her ancestors derived from is disturbing. For a movement that should aim to break down barriers and have individuals live peacefully together, you’re doing an awful job at it. Just another case of left-wing ideologies going so extreme they are closer aligned to racist right-ring ideas than any progressive ones. Cynthia Erivo is an INDIVIDUAL PERSON. A PERSON. She should be treated as a person, not a group member."

Understand everyone, this girl that you love so much, if it wasn't for black Americans getting the Civil Rights act passed, Ms Erivo would not be allowed into the country. So you and her can think about that as she climbs over every black American actress on her way to the top.

 

[UncleCharlie]

Posted: 9/18/18 at 12:52am

Writergirl28 said: "Understand everyone, this girl that you love so much, if it wasn't for black Americans getting the Civil Rights act passed, Ms Erivo would not be allowed into the country. So you and her can think about that as she climbs over every black American actress on her way to the top."

So there were no black immigrants or even visitors allowed into the United States before 1964? Interesting take on history. And I could be wrong but I heard somewhere Lyndon Johnson may have had something to do with "getting the Civil Rights Act passed" though clearly the Civil Rights movement comprised largely of African Americans but also some whites certainly created pressure to push this forward.

I'm not sure your arguments are convincing many folks here.

[binau]

Posted: 9/18/18 at 2:32am

Writergirl28 said: "qolbinau said: "To see this blatant racism towards Cynthia Erivo in partbecause of the particular African tribe her ancestors derived from is disturbing. For a movement that should aim to break down barriers and have individuals live peacefully together, you’re doing an awful job at it. Just another case of left-wing ideologies going so extreme they are closer aligned to racist right-ring ideas than any progressive ones. Cynthia Erivo is an INDIVIDUAL PERSON. A PERSON. She should be treated as a person, not a group member."

Understand everyone, this girl that you love so much, if it wasn't for black Americans getting the Civil Rights act passed, Ms Erivo would not be allowed into the country. So you and her can think about that as she climbs over every black American actress on her way to the top.

"

You are doing this thing again where you are assigning value based on group membership. This is the kind of reasoning that leads to racism in the first place. News flash: basically no individual black American actress or Cynthia Erivo had anything to do with the event you describe. At least those in the age you describe. So it’s completely irrelevant - you should care about individual people not the ‘tribes’ in which they derive from. 

[Dave28282]

Posted: 9/18/18 at 3:25am

haterobics said: "Dave28282 said: "Nearly all of her tweets and reactions prove that she approaches every situation with groups and separation in mind, also situations that have nothing to do with that,which is really a pity. I told her this once too."

Is there a video of her reaction to you schooling her on this?"

No video but I believe there were some tweets about it. She basically said "so disappointed", in my words, but I think her tunnel vision prevented her from really understanding them.

[Dave28282]

Posted: 9/18/18 at 3:28am

qolbinau said: "You are doing this thing again where you are assigning value based on group membership. This is the kind of reasoning that leads to racism in the first place. News flash: basically no individual black American actress or Cynthia Erivo had anything to do with the event you describe. At least those in the age you describe. So it’s completely irrelevant - you should care about individual people not the ?tribes’ in which they derive from."

I completely agree with this. This is the whole core of the problem. People not thinking in human.

The interesting question in this debate is; Is it wrong if this is done to someone who does the same thing all the time herself, or is it a good learning process to open that person's eyes in how to treat others in the future?

I would say it is wrong per definition and fighting wrong with wrong is never the solution, but many left wing separatists seem to have adopted the idea that exclusion and continuing to think in groups makes up for exclusion from the past.

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