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Diversity on Broadway#375
Posted: 10/20/15 at 8:01pm
"Christine Daae, daughther of the famous Swedish violinist...."
You can change 3 things:
1.Make Up
2. Actors
3. The script
1 and 2 are more common. Re-writing a show for an actor is less common. And why would we, when we have option 1?
Updated On: 10/20/15 at 08:01 PM
Diversity on Broadway#376
Posted: 10/20/15 at 8:06pm
Not that the Swedes are entirely lacking in racism of various kinds, but in a musical about a haunted opera, the idea of a black Swedish violinist is the idea that really trips you up?
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/25/14
Diversity on Broadway#377
Posted: 10/20/15 at 8:07pm
You don't have to rewrite the show! You put an actor in, regardless of race, and you DO NOT use MAKE UP to change race!
It's that simple.
Diversity on Broadway#378
Posted: 10/20/15 at 8:14pm
And why would that be a problem? White actors playing Piangi have been doing it for 30 years to look Italian (Meditteranean race). To give you 1 of 1000 examples.
Updated On: 10/20/15 at 08:14 PM
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/25/14
Diversity on Broadway#379
Posted: 10/20/15 at 8:17pm
Dave19 said: "And why would that be a problem? White actors playing Piangi have been doing it for 30 years to look Italian. To give you 1 of 1000 examples.
"
Italian is not a race, Dave...
What are the other 999 examples?
Updated On: 10/20/15 at 08:17 PM
Diversity on Broadway#380
Posted: 10/20/15 at 8:21pm
Hey, I just remembered tomorrow is "Back To The Future" day - maybe Dave is from 1973 or something?
Go home!
Diversity on Broadway#381
Posted: 10/20/15 at 8:25pm
White, black and arabian girls in Miss Saigon have been doing it for over 25 years to play Asian bar girls in Miss Saigon. Works perfectly.
Why wouldn't they?
Of course it would be very nice to have a Vietnam bar full of white, black and arabian girls, but why put unnecessary questions in the audiences mind? The actors clearly don't mind putting on make up.
Updated On: 10/20/15 at 08:25 PMBroadway Legend Joined: 6/25/14
Diversity on Broadway#382
Posted: 10/20/15 at 8:29pm
Dave19 said: "White, black and arabian girls in Miss Saigon have been doing it for over 25 years to play Asian bar girls in Miss Saigon. Works perfectly.
Why wouldn't they?
"
Non-Asian women playing Asian characters in Miss Saigon does not work, and it is wrong. What you have just described is "yellow face".
Diversity on Broadway#383
Posted: 10/20/15 at 8:32pm
Dave 19 is a) A moron
b) A racist
c) A troll
ANSWER
d) All of the above
Diversity on Broadway#384
Posted: 10/20/15 at 8:32pm
And there is nothing wrong with yellow face!
The cover Ellen needs to be in the bar scenes as an Asian girl.
That's casting. You can complain about it all you want, but don't search for problems that aren't there ok.
The actress is fine with it and so is the audience.
YOU are the racist in this case.
Edit: White actors playing Meditteranean race (Piangi) is also wrong? Get over yourself.
Updated On: 10/20/15 at 08:32 PMBroadway Legend Joined: 6/25/14
Diversity on Broadway#385
Posted: 10/20/15 at 8:34pm
Dave19 said: "And there is nothing wrong with yellow face!
The cover Ellen needs to be in the bar scenes as an Asian girl.
That's casting. You can complain about it all you want, but don't search for problem that arent's there ok.
"
...
I just needed to quote this so everybody can see the racism and ignorance displayed in this post.
Updated On: 10/20/15 at 08:34 PMDiversity on Broadway#386
Posted: 10/20/15 at 8:35pm
Dave19 said: "And there is nothing wrong with yellow face!"
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/25/14
Diversity on Broadway#387
Posted: 10/20/15 at 8:37pm
Charley Kringas Inc said: "Dave19 said: "And there is nothing wrong with yellow face!"
"
This photo is the best thing to happen to this thread omg.
Diversity on Broadway#388
Posted: 10/20/15 at 8:41pm
"I just needed to quote this so everybody can see the racism and ignorance displayed in this post."
So a girl that is trying to look a bit more Asian for a role is racism? I think she is only making the differences disappear, while people like you shouting "Yellow face!!" all day only make it worse and are the true racist.
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/25/14
Diversity on Broadway#389
Posted: 10/20/15 at 8:47pm
Dave19 said: " "I just needed to quote this so everybody can see the racism and ignorance displayed in this post."
So a girl that is trying to look a bit more Asian for a role is racism? I think she is only making the differences disappear, while people like you shouting "Yellow face!!" all day only make it worse and are the true racist.
"
"A girl trying to look a bit more Asian for the role"
"Only making the differences disappear"
Dave19, everybody: The BWW Race Troll
Updated On: 10/20/15 at 08:47 PM
Diversity on Broadway#390
Posted: 10/20/15 at 8:51pm
I see, avoiding the question.
Well, good luck with sending angry letters to the producers of Phantom and Miss Saigon, insisting they keep the race separation in tact and how disgusting it is for the actors playing Piangi to give themselves a Meditteranean touch with make up. Because Meditteranean people are clearly not the same people as other people! Keep up the great work showface. You make the world a better place.
Ps, Isn't it tiresome to shout Blackface and Yellowface all day to other people?
Updated On: 10/20/15 at 08:51 PMBroadway Legend Joined: 6/25/14
Diversity on Broadway#391
Posted: 10/20/15 at 8:55pm
"Keep up the great work showface, You make the world a better place."
Why thank you, Dave19! I'm so flattered!
"Because Meditteranean people are clearly not the same people as other people!"
Do you even read? Who even said that? Oh that's right, no one!
Updated On: 10/20/15 at 08:55 PM
Diversity on Broadway#393
Posted: 10/20/15 at 8:56pm
Well, how dare someone use make up to look Meditteranean, is your opinion, right?
Tip: Let it go
Only racists are offended by it.
Updated On: 10/20/15 at 08:56 PM
Diversity on Broadway#394
Posted: 10/20/15 at 8:57pm
At the risk of being shouted down (figuratively, of course), I think maybe Dave and I are saying the same thing about ethnically diverse casting: The race of the actor does not matter. Sometimes the race of the CHARACTER matters, and sometimes, it does not. I still think that Christine, Raoul, and the Phantom should be white CHARACTERS, regardless of the race of the actors playing them. I also think that Eliza, Higgins, Mrs. Higgins, Freddy Eynsford-Hill, Alfred Doolittle, and some of the others in MFL should be white CHARACTERS. Pickering can be anything as a character. In fact, if Pickering were a nonwhite character, that would show Higgins' general lack of bigotry.
A recent movie starring Meryl Streep, Kevin Kline, and Audra McDonald showed how race-neutral casting for a major character should work in realistic movies, but I don't think plays and musicals have to be as rigid in keeping casting consistent. Audra McDonald played Kevin Kline's second wife, who raised the kids he had with the Meryl Streep character. By casting an actor of color, the producer and director opened the movie to a great many black background actors, because the stepmom's black extended family attended the son's wedding, which was shown in the film. The reason that consistency is important in realistic movies but not in the theater is that we all expect to have to suspend disbelief to a greater extent in the theater than in film.
Back to Dave: Where Dave and I part company is when make-up is permissible and when it is not. I don't think anyone would care about dark make-up if it were not for the history of disrespect shown by the white theater, film, and TV establishment through the use of "blackface," "yellowface," and "redface." However, because of that shameful history, changing a white actor's race through make-up rightfully makes people squirm. On the other hand, using whiteface on a person of color to play a white character does not bother me in the least because it can help avoid confusion when an actor of color plays a white character.
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/25/14
Diversity on Broadway#395
Posted: 10/20/15 at 8:59pm
Dave19 said: "Well, how dare someone use make up to look Meditteranean, is your opinion, right?
"
Yes
I am against using makeup to change races.
Diversity on Broadway#396
Posted: 10/20/15 at 9:00pm
Showface said: "Dave19 said: "Well, how dare someone use make up to look Meditteranean, is your opinion, right?
"
Yes
I am against using makeup to change races.
"
Tip: Let it go
Only racists are offended by it.
Diversity on Broadway#397
Posted: 10/20/15 at 9:07pm
"On the other hand, using whiteface on a person of color to play a white character does not bother me in the least because it can help avoid confusion when an actor of color plays a white character."
That doesn't bother me either.
Because I see the actor as a person. Not as a color. The written character can have a color though (storyline etc). But any actor can play it.
Updated On: 10/20/15 at 09:07 PMDiversity on Broadway#398
Posted: 10/20/15 at 9:10pm
DramaMama wrote in response to my suggestion for a version of MFL with Eliza being a black New Yorker:
"Lord, this DOES sound awful. No one needs another story with a white knight saving the sad black person's life."
DramaMama, I agree with you and specifically said that the Professor should be black. Hence, the "white knight" would only figuratively be white, which, in my view, solves the problem of condescension.
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/25/14
Diversity on Broadway#399
Posted: 10/20/15 at 9:32pm
Wow...
I don't approve of "blackface" and "yellowface", so I must be a racist.
Wow.
The fact that I don't approve of this apparently makes me racist, instead of you know, a decent human being. Behold, everyone, this is what is perfectly acceptable in Dave19's eyes:
(I am so racist for finding this photo below offensive and an issue)
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