Diversity on Broadway- Page 15

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 10/20/15 at 4:48pm

You are a very special kind of cretin.

[Dave19]

Posted: 10/20/15 at 4:50pm

 "you CANNOT cast a non-black person as the main characters."

WHO CARES about the origin of the actor?

Stop it, you racist. 

Of course I understand the importance of the characters race but that has nothing to do with the actor.

 

Updated On: 10/20/15 at 04:50 PM

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 10/20/15 at 4:51pm

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[Showface]

Posted: 10/20/15 at 4:51pm

Dave19 said: " "you CANNOT cast a non-black person as the main characters."

 

 

WHO CARES about the origin of the actor?

 

 

Stop it, you racist. 

 

Of course I understand the importance of the characters race but that has nothing to do with the actor.

 

 

 

 

"

 

Why have I not blocked you yet? I want to so badly, but I can't bring myself to it...

Is it because the ignorance disolayed in your posts so fascinating??

Who knows...

Updated On: 10/20/15 at 04:51 PM

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 10/20/15 at 4:53pm

Dave19, are you friends with hork?  If not, you should be.  If you're not the same person, that is. 

[Dave19]

Posted: 10/20/15 at 4:55pm

 "You know what makes me glad, though? The fact that you're not a casting director."

You know, I am. And moving towards Broadway.

And you know, I WILL invite African American, Asian and Latino guys to audition for Raoul in Phantom. And I WILL give them a chance to play "an early 20th century white English aristocrat". That's what acting is about. 

 

 

Updated On: 10/20/15 at 04:55 PM

[Showface]

Posted: 10/20/15 at 4:58pm

*eyeroll* Updated On: 10/20/15 at 04:58 PM

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 10/20/15 at 4:58pm

[SonofRobbieJ]

Posted: 10/20/15 at 5:07pm

God, I love when it crosses over from awful to full-tilt bat-sh*t crazy!

[AEA AGMA SM]

Posted: 10/20/15 at 5:19pm

Dave19 said: " "You know what makes me glad, though? The fact that you're not a casting director."

You know, I am. And moving towards Broadway.

 

 

And you know, I WILL invite African American, Asian and Latino guys to audition for Raoul in Phantom. And I WILL give them a chance to play "an early 20th century white English aristocrat". That's what acting is about. "

 

 

That's great that you are willing to see them for an "English aristocrat," but what about for roles in Phantom, which takes place in the Paris Opera House?

 

Earlier you said that Christine can't be played by an African-American actress because it's not historically accurate. So how about the various African-American actors who have played Carlotta and Piangi, the current "stars" of the Paris Opera in the time frame of the show? Does that bother you because it's not "historically accurate"? If it doesn't bother you, then why is it ok for those characters but not for Christine?

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 10/20/15 at 5:22pm

I just hope the OP, who hasn't been heard from since, has had her question answered!

Updated On: 10/20/15 at 05:22 PM

[Dave19]

Posted: 10/20/15 at 5:28pm

" Earlier you said that Christine can't be played by an African-American actress because it's not historically accurate. So how about the various African-American actors who have played Carlotta and Piangi, the current "stars" of the Paris Opera in the time frame of the show? Does that bother you because it's not "historically accurate"? If it doesn't bother you, then why is it ok for those characters but not for Christine?"

I said that the role of Christine should not be presented as such. I don't care about the origin of the actress.

I also don't care about the origin of the actors playing Carlotta and Piangi, but 2 opera stars in that era being african american is extremely unbelievable and I don't like to have to turn a blind eye, as its easy for them to present the role as any historically accurate race.

 

Updated On: 10/20/15 at 05:28 PM

[Showface]

Posted: 10/20/15 at 5:32pm

Dave19 said: "" Earlier you said that Christine can't be played by an African-American actress because it's not historically accurate. So how about the various African-American actors who have played Carlotta and Piangi, the current "stars" of the Paris Opera in the time frame of the show? Does that bother you because it's not "historically accurate"? If it doesn't bother you, then why is it ok for those characters but not for Christine?"

 

 

I said that the role of Christine should not be presented as such. I don't care about the origin of the actress.

 

 

I also don't care about the origin of the actors playing Carlotta and Piangi, but 2 opera stars in that era being african american is extremely unbelievable and I don't like to have to turn a blind eye, as its easy for them to present the role as any historically accurate race.

 

 

 

 

"

 

Yet you can totally turn a blind eye to the fact that these characters are bursting into song and dance...

Using makeup to make someone change race is still inexcusable.

 

[beilis32]

Posted: 10/20/15 at 5:39pm

I find this thread interesting, even though the racism is abhorrent, I'm glad to see most people have the right idea when it comes to colorblind casting.
But I just came to comment and say that I almost had a heart attack laughing at the "Dave 19 is a race troll"  song! I think that beneath the effects, Phyllis must have an excellent voice. Can I get a real example of your singing? Carry on, and thanks for the laugh!

[AEA AGMA SM]

Posted: 10/20/15 at 5:52pm

Dave19 said: "I said that the role of Christine should not be presented as such. I don't care about the origin of the actress.

 

 

I also don't care about the origin of the actors playing Carlotta and Piangi, but 2 opera stars in that era being african american is extremely unbelievable and I don't like to have to turn a blind eye, as its easy for them to present the role as any historically accurate race."

 

 

Your statements are contradicting each other. Clearly you do care about the origin of the actors, since you can't believe that anyone other than a white person would be on the stage of the fictitious Paris Opera House. A world that has a deformed musical genius and quasi-magician living in the basement, seducing and kidnapping young sopranos through their dressing room mirrors.

[Dave19]

Posted: 10/20/15 at 6:21pm

Please don't confuse 2 things. Accuracy of a role versus origin of the actor. Any actor can play anything.

It seems like people can't think clear when the word "race" is involved.

So let me give another example. A 25 year old girl can play the granny/bird woman in Mary Poppins. She can, because she is an actress. Yes, she needs to act, maybe adjust her look and voice. There is no need to to put any personal frustrations in there, because she is something else than what she plays. It is also not racist towards old lady's because they are wonderful.

I don't care if it's a green dwarf playing the granny, as long as it's believable, looks, voice, story, era and acting wise.

Updated On: 10/20/15 at 06:21 PM

[Charley Kringas Inc]

Posted: 10/20/15 at 6:28pm

Dave19 said: "There is no need to to put any personal frustrations in there, because she is something else than what she plays. It is also not racist towards old lady's because they are wonderful."

 

You're absolutely delightful.

[Dave19]

Posted: 10/20/15 at 6:32pm

And any shade of the rainbow for that matter.

But personal stuff and background doesn't really matter for the discussion, neither for casting. It's the final product that counts.

 

[Showface]

Posted: 10/20/15 at 6:34pm

"It seems like people can't think clear when the word "race" is involved."

 

And, it seems you are becoming increasingly self-aware. You are not thinking straight. You also weren't a couple of months ago when a similar discussion took place.

 

 

" It is also not racist towards old lady's because they are wonderful."

Old lady is a race? WHO KNEW?!?

 

[Kad]

Posted: 10/20/15 at 6:38pm

Dave19 always shows up in topics about diversity. Always. It's remarkable, really. He posts so rarely otherwise, but these are like a friggin dog whistle for him.

[Dave19]

Posted: 10/20/15 at 6:43pm

Edit: If the actress refuses to put on the grey wig, because it doesn't match her personal desire of being young, she shouldn't be an actress, of course.

And this goes for, age, look, make up, skin color of fellow actors that play family members, era, type, clothing, editing, anything really. That's acting. Of course.

If you want to play the bird woman in Mary Poppins from that era with a princess jasmine look, be my guest, but do it at home in your bedroom please.

I can play a dinosaur in Jurassic World the musical if I want to. No matter what color make up they give me. And no matter what personal insecurities I might have, or how many personal characteristics I wish to let shine through. Acting is above that.

Updated On: 10/20/15 at 06:43 PM

[Showface]

Posted: 10/20/15 at 7:31pm

Age, social status, and species can be costumed. It happens all the time--

 

Someone's race, however, is not a costume! What don't you understand???

Updated On: 10/20/15 at 07:31 PM

[Dave19]

Posted: 10/20/15 at 7:43pm

Many races have played Christine in Phantom as a white girl in the ballet of an early 20th century opera.

All wig and make up.

What don't you understand?

Actors can adapt.

 

Updated On: 10/20/15 at 07:43 PM

[Charley Kringas Inc]

Posted: 10/20/15 at 7:57pm

"I need my loopy paranormal gothic psychoromances to adhere rigidly to casting regulations of an imaginary 19th-century French opera company! If this isn't followed to the T, my suspense is completely ruined! How could I possibly believe a black woman would be able to float through a mirror and fall under the spell of a mystical, deformed madman???"

[Showface]

Posted: 10/20/15 at 7:59pm

Dave19 said: "Many races have played Christine in Phantom as a white girl in the ballet of an early 20th century opera.

 

All wig and make up.

 

What don't you understand?

 

Actors can adapt.

 

 

 

"

Not as a white girl, no.

They just played Christine...the character. 

 

Your turn...