Diversity on Broadway- Page 25

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 11/6/15 at 10:46pm

I feel like someone in this thread already made a variation on that crack I just made.  

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 11/6/15 at 11:11pm

No.  We did NOT just loop back to "all lives matter", did we?  Seriously.  Did we learn nothing from the kid with the pizza analogy? You know the one, where the father gives six of his kids a slice of pizza and the seventh child doesn't get one because there is no more pizza and so he says to the father, "I deserve a piece of pizza!" and the father responds, "EVERY ONE DESERVES A PIECE OF PIZZA" and leaves the room?  Did we not learn anything from that parable?

 

More importantly, how many people here made it to adulthood without learning critical thinking skills?  Now, clearly, Davey thinks the crowd sourced knowledge base, Wikipedia, is accurate, at least when the listing agrees with his regressive politics, but what about everybody else?   Was critical thinking not a skill that was covered at any point in our educations?

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[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 11/6/15 at 11:16pm

I thought similar, and wondered where America's educational system had failed them, but then I realized Dave was international.  And a lot older than 19, I guess?   So he was probably the 19th person to try to go by the screen name Dave on this message board. That shows a failure of imagination. 

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 11/6/15 at 11:25pm

A failure of a lot of things.  Any day now I am expecting one of these folks who never learned critical analysis to say, "That woman complaining about men making more money than women is SEXIST!!!!  EVERYBODY deserves more money!!"

[Dave19]

Posted: 11/7/15 at 4:35am

FindingNamo said: "not a viable source for what racism is..."

 

Then what part of that explanation do you not like or can you not handle? I think it was pretty accurate. Racism is a lot more than what you think it is.

 

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[Dave19]

Posted: 11/7/15 at 4:39am

FindingNamo said: "A failure of a lot of things.  Any day now I am expecting one of these folks who never learned critical analysis to say, "That woman complaining about men making more money than women is SEXIST!!!!  EVERYBODY deserves more money!!"

 

It depends on the attitute of the woman. Is she going into any meeting, situation, discussion like a negative victim who is not worth as much as men? Then she actually doesn't deserve more money. Why would others believe she is worth as much if she doesn't? BUT if her focus is on equality, and she showing the world that she is nothing less than any men and shows it with a positive attitude then that is the beginning of change and exactly what she will get back.

 

It's called critical analysis towards yourself. The hardest thing to learn. A better world starts with yourself, not by changing others first.

 

That's where America's educational system has failed. In Europe we have had similar situations (with the Jews and Hitler, etc, a very sensitive yet similar subject, separate seats in busses, gaschambers etc), and therefore the first person who sings about f*cking Jews in a videoclip, or suggests "Jew awards" will be prosecuted. Also Jews were determined to show they are worth just as much as everyone else and are now seen that way. Society just does not accept that victim role anymore, because we understand the consequences of that. It will provoke the opposite of what you want.

 

Same goes for gays, who show they can be anything, even though they are sentenced to death in certain countries in 2015. And for black people. Did you ever realize that only wthe ones with the right attitude will achieve change? Barack Obama for example. And a very, very, very long list of others who understand it too, in spite of the educational system. Luckily. Stay away from the victim role as far as you can. Sometimes, people are too dumb to understand (Nicki Minaj), and therefore she gets a lot of counteraction from the world. To make sure we will see black people not as normal people. But I'm afraid she is too brainwashed to comprehend this. She can scream white bitch and black bitch for the rest of her life, and I hope it does her any good. But clearly the amount of hits or success has not increased her self  esteem, so that's not the solution.

 

 

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[Scarywarhol]

Posted: 11/7/15 at 7:39am

Dave, you are utterly repugnant and completely ignorant of how change has ever been affected through activism in this country. 

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[Scarywarhol]

Posted: 11/7/15 at 7:51am

It actually shocks me that anyone who goes to the theatre could be so socially obtuse and hateful. 

[Dave19]

Posted: 11/7/15 at 9:25am

Well, that's your loss. And your lack of understanding.

Just like a kid in a candy store and his mom doesn't allow him to buy everything in the store. He might not understand why and does not like it, but luckily mother does.

If you read and understand my posts you would know that I am not hateful in the slightest. The only thing I do not like is separation in treatment based on race, racism, and wonder why people insist on doing it and actually think it is a good kind of activism. Like I said, what people like Nicki Minaj are doing is ruining everything that's built up. People can walk around shouting "we are slaves" all day, so we need different treatment, but that is about as hateful towards yourself as it can get.

 

[Jane2]

Posted: 11/7/15 at 9:30am

twisted

[Dave19]

Posted: 11/7/15 at 9:32am

Scarywarhol said: "Dave, you are utterly repugnant and completely ignorant of how change has ever been affected through activism in this country."

 

In this case "activism" is a constant presentation of "how inferior we are". People will take that on and start to handle out of pity. The exact opposite of what you would want.

 

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[hork]

Posted: 11/7/15 at 12:07pm

I hate to be that guy, but since there are people on here who, for some reason, think there is only one definition of racism (#2, specifically), I thought I'd throw this out there:

 

racism - noun

1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human racial groups determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to dominate others or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others.

 

2.a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.

 

3.hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

 

So the idea that racism is a one-way street or that you can't be racist towards your own race is absurd. If you're black and you think black people are inferior to other races, you're racist. Understand, my interest here is purely semantic.

[Showface]

Posted: 11/7/15 at 12:41pm

But racism in our society is mainly systematic...

ANYBODY,  however, can be prejudiced or bigoted

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[FindingNamo]

Posted: 11/7/15 at 1:03pm

Yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyep.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 11/7/15 at 1:08pm

I hate to be that guy

 

Oh, pish, I don't believe that! I think you love it!

[Dave19]

Posted: 11/7/15 at 2:24pm

hork said: "If you're black and you think black people are inferior to other races, you're racist."

 

Thanks hork. That's what I was trying to say. And that kind of racism has consequences.

If you believe you are inferior, others will believe that too. You get what you give. Reciprocity.

 

 

 

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[Showface]

Posted: 11/7/15 at 2:30pm

Oh and if we're going by those definitions, you STILL can't be racist to your own race

 

racism - noun

1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human racial groups determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to dominate others or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others.

 

3.hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

 

[Dave19]

Posted: 11/7/15 at 2:35pm

Showface said: "or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others."

 

And that can't be your own race because?

 

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 11/7/15 at 2:47pm

You keep trying to say that these are EXACTLY the same thing, but when a person feels prejudice against his own race it is NOT exactly the same thing as when the white power structure in the US disproportionately keeps racial minorities down in order to maintain power.  It's simply not.  

 

I'm waiting for you to say that when a poor person without housing resents the hyper-wealthy with multiple houses that they're being "reverse rich."  Because that's what you're arguing.  And it's your fantasy and the fantasy of a lot of people just like you.

[Dave19]

Posted: 11/7/15 at 2:52pm

The reality is that there is a constant presentation of "how inferior we are". People will take that on and start to handle out of pity. The exact opposite of what you would want.

[VintageSnarker]

Posted: 11/7/15 at 3:33pm

This is so much less fun than the Honeymoon in Vegas thread. Can we please stop it from getting to that many pages?

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 11/7/15 at 3:54pm

Dave, there are much better theorists and thinkers about race than you and this stuff you're inventing is not shared by any of them.  I like your passive language though, and the way it keeps you from being personally implicated!  Very transparent:

 

 there is a constant presentation of "how inferior we are".

 

No there isn't.  And putting quotation marks around your racist idea doesn't make it any more true than it already isn't. 

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[Dave19]

Posted: 11/7/15 at 4:07pm

I wish that were the case FindingNamo. Then I wouldn't have to be exposed to the slave comparisons every day, all day, in every situation with every black person in 2015. And all the other 1 sided rules for that matter.

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[FindingNamo]

Posted: 11/7/15 at 4:15pm

What a fascinating life you must lead!  Why, I would bet you barely even encounter any black people in real life, let alone all day, every day.  Your fantasies, however, are quite revealing.

[Dave19]

Posted: 11/7/15 at 4:22pm

......you silly one. Luckily we live in a time where a black person is president, a Disney Princess and black people are dominating the music business and are the best talkshow hosts in the world, present the news, and are in every film made, and in everyone's life, personally and professionally. Really no need for the constant victim and inferior behaviour anymore. Unless you love separation of course. 

I also have many black people in my daily life and I choose not to see them as color but as people and to not compare them to slaves all day. You do?

Edit: Of course it does not matter , because we can have 10 black presidents, or Nicki Minaj can sell millions of copies of cd's with racist lyrics, but that does not seem to help her self esteem either. True self-worth comes from within. That will show and that will evoke equality and more respect from others.

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