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For those that are always bashing tourists and
#25re: For those that are always bashing tourists and
Posted: 2/11/08 at 4:26pm
It's usually been the locals who were the biggest problem. If people talk about the show's plot prior to curtain, they've obviously been here before. Most tourists are sort of awed and respectful.
The overture was invented for one reason only - the damn locals who arrived fashionably late and loudly took their seats would ruin the opening scene otherwise..
And that's been a problem in theatre around the world for several hundred years.
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Gothampc
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/20/03
#26re: For those that are always bashing tourists and
Posted: 2/11/08 at 4:34pmI've never had problems when I have attended performances of an Encores at City Center production. Generally, these are made up of people who respect theater. Yes, there are some people who attend who are not "locals" but they are people who generally respect theater. Encores is not usually marketed toward tourists.
If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
#27re: For those that are always bashing tourists and
Posted: 2/11/08 at 4:38pm
"generally"
Exactly.
I've been to countless theater events where "tourist" weren't targets or definitely a minority in the crowd and still witnessed terrible behavior.
It's not geography. It's personality.
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men" - Willy Wonka
#28re: For those that are always bashing tourists and
Posted: 2/11/08 at 4:40pm
Gothampc
So you're saying that every time you've been to a Broadway show, you've always had problems, since all Broadway shows markets to tourists?
Updated On: 2/11/08 at 04:40 PM
jordangirl
Broadway Legend Joined: 10/1/06
#29re: For those that are always bashing tourists and
Posted: 2/11/08 at 4:41pmMaybe I'm just more tolerant of things ~ or maybe I've just been lucky ~ but I've really never had a problem with anyone when I've seen shows.
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Hank
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/16/03
#30re: For those that are always bashing tourists and
Posted: 2/11/08 at 4:44pm
I love the tourists, hey they keep me working!
Enjoy your trip.
Phyllis Rogers Stone
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/16/07
#31re: For those that are always bashing tourists and
Posted: 2/11/08 at 4:49pmI don't know if she was a tourist or not, but a lady behind me at the Encores Follies tried to steal my scarf. There was also a lot of weird noise from various sections as it was starting.
Gothampc
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/20/03
#32re: For those that are always bashing tourists and
Posted: 2/11/08 at 4:52pm
"So you're saying that every time you've been to a Broadway show, you've always had problems, since all Broadway shows markets to tourists?"
I'm saying there's a correlation between shows that have leaflets in hotels having a greater incidence of misbehavior than shows that are not advertised in hotels.
If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
Gothampc
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/20/03
#33re: For those that are always bashing tourists and
Posted: 2/11/08 at 4:53pm
"I don't know if she was a tourist or not, but a lady behind me at the Encores Follies tried to steal my scarf."
I've seen that scarf. She was doing you a favor.
If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
#34re: For those that are always bashing tourists and
Posted: 2/11/08 at 4:58pm
Have you been to a hotel in NYC lately Gothampc?
Just asking because between the magazines in the room and the racks downstairs + the concierge area - they pretty much promote all the shows. Even your precious "non-tourist" shows - whatever that might mean.
At the very least, be thankful for the economic boom it gives the entire state.
Having lived several years in Orlando, I could tell you horror stories that make your gripes look like a grain of sand on a beach. At the same time - the tourists there do the same thing for the state and the economy.
I know you're into politics - so I also know you're aware how much this country is in trouble right now and how desperate the government is to get people out spending...
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men" - Willy Wonka
Gothampc
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/20/03
#35re: For those that are always bashing tourists and
Posted: 2/11/08 at 5:02pm
"At the same time - the tourists there do the same thing for the state and the economy."
A boost in the economy doesn't mean they have the right to bad theater manners and to ruin an art form. Would you allow them to put their fingers on a Chagall at the MOMA in the name of the economy?
I've been a tourist all around the world and I make sure to study customs of the area I'm visiting or if I'm not sure what to do, ask someone what is appropriate.
If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
Updated On: 2/11/08 at 05:02 PM
Corine2
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/14/03
#36re: For those that are always bashing tourists and
Posted: 2/11/08 at 5:03pm
Tourists buy the most full priced tickets and are very important to NYC!
I love tourists. As someone who has worked in tourism for most of my career (I love you)
It would be great if parents told their kids not to play with videogames during shows. When I went to The Little Mermaid a woman she must have been 15, was playing with her video game during the show. People next to her told her to turn it off.
SporkGoddess
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/27/05
#37re: For those that are always bashing tourists and
Posted: 2/11/08 at 5:03pmGothampc: Correlation does not imply causation. The shows that have leaflets in hotels may also tend to be more mainstream, which would attact crowds (tourist or not) that are not as used to theatre-going.
Jimmy, what are you doing here in the middle of the night? It's almost 9 PM!
#38re: For those that are always bashing tourists and
Posted: 2/11/08 at 5:04pm
Thanks to Pippin and Hank I shall probably return to New York.
But could someone please tell the staff in New York breakfast bars (sorry Craig - generalisation coming...) that if they do not understand what I am saying they should not presume the fault is with my own ability to speak English.
#39re: For those that are always bashing tourists and
Posted: 2/11/08 at 5:05pm
Oh, I think tourists can be very obnoxious, but bluehaired matinee ladies and the bridge and tunnel folks are just as bad.
A recent example-
A bluehair at Grey Gardens last year obnoxiously laughed through all of Jerry Likes My Corn ("Corn! A song about corn! Hah! Hah!"), Around the World and their confronation durring Will You. She finally shut up durring Another Winter. Yikes! That was pretty bad!
And the LuPone Gypsy audience (both times) were pretty attrocious. I eventually learned to love Patti in the role, but not her audiences which laughed at every thing the woman did. I'm not always a huge fan of the Encores! audiences, honestly. Sometimes I like them, sometimes I don't.
Updated On: 2/11/08 at 05:05 PM
Gothampc
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/20/03
#40re: For those that are always bashing tourists and
Posted: 2/11/08 at 5:06pm
"Tourists buy the most full priced tickets and are very important to NYC!"
Not true. Tour buses and tour packages get discounted Broadway tickets.
If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
Craww
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/13/06
#41re: For those that are always bashing tourists and
Posted: 2/11/08 at 5:10pmJust because there are discounts available for tourists doesn't mean that's untrue.
#42re: For those that are always bashing tourists and
Posted: 2/11/08 at 5:13pm
Tourists are an invaluable part of the New York theater scene.
Their revenue allows countless restaurant, hotels and other businesses to thrive.....but it still doesn't change the fact that they are complete and utter morans.
#43re: For those that are always bashing tourists and
Posted: 2/11/08 at 5:16pm
Good to know that I'm a complete and utter "moran."
Some tourists are going to be annoying and have bad etiquette, but so are some non-tourists. How would you even know if the people who are behaving are tourists or not?
'"Contrairiwise," continued Tweedledee, "if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic."'
~Lewis Carroll
Craww
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/13/06
#44re: For those that are always bashing tourists and
Posted: 2/11/08 at 5:16pm
it still doesn't change the fact that they are complete and utter morans.
There are few message board gaffes more amusing than someone misspelling a word intended to insult their target's intelligence.
#45re: For those that are always bashing tourists and
Posted: 2/11/08 at 5:23pm
'"Contrairiwise," continued Tweedledee, "if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic."'
~Lewis Carroll
Updated On: 2/11/08 at 05:23 PM
#46re: For those that are always bashing tourists and
Posted: 2/11/08 at 5:32pm
How would you even know if the people who are behaving are tourists or not?
Are you kidding? A TRUE New Yorker asks all offending parties in a Broadway theatre where they're from.
"This thread reads like a series of White House memos." — Mister Matt
#47re: For those that are always bashing tourists and
Posted: 2/11/08 at 5:35pmWhich is totally non-disruptive!
'"Contrairiwise," continued Tweedledee, "if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic."'
~Lewis Carroll
WestVillage
Broadway Star Joined: 7/20/05
#48re: For those that are always bashing tourists and
Posted: 2/11/08 at 5:48pm
I would agree that its "tourists new to Broadway" who are the worst offenders ... not necessarily tourists from out of town. I've seen horrendous behavior and etiquette from what we New Yorkers call "the bridge and tunnel crowd".
But I'd like to add to the list of rules for tourists:
When you leave a subway station, don't stand at the top of the steps trying to figure out what direction to go ... there are people behind you. Step to the side and out of the way.
Don't walk in "packs", don't walk arm in arm with 3 friends and take up the entire sidewalk so no one can get past you.
New Yorkers walk fast ... try to keep up the pace, and if you are going to walk slowly, try to keep to the building side of the sidewalk.
Don't pose for pictures in places that are obviously centers of high pedestrian traffic.
Don't try to hail a taxi that doesn't have its center light on ... its already taken.
If you're in a large group and plan on taking a NYC Bus to your destination, please wait until after rush hour so your group doesn't interfere with New Yorkers trying to get to work. (Have to mention this because a group of about 20 school kids got on the bus I take to work, at rush hour. Not only did it overcrowd the bus, getting this group on the bus took FOREVER ... and they were only going sightseeing).
Remember, NYC is home to lots of us ... people do live here. Just think about how you would like tourists to behave if they swarmed upon your hometown in masses, and act accordingly.
#49re: For those that are always bashing tourists and
Posted: 2/11/08 at 5:50pmMost of that applies to any other major metropolitan area as well.
"This thread reads like a series of White House memos." — Mister Matt
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