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[gibsons2]

Posted: 3/18/26 at 4:14pm

ScottK said: "CORRECT--NOT EVER--it is calamitous, horrible, catastrophic etc--but it is NOT genocide"

Jared Kushner is investing billions to develop Gaza territories into prime waterfront business and residential properties, displacing and eliminating Gazans from their very own land. It's a very definition of genocide. I'd stfu if I were you.

Updated On: 3/18/26 at 04:14 PM

[iluvtheatertrash]

Posted: 3/18/26 at 4:18pm

ScottK said: "Simply google the definition of "genocide"--the actions are not genocidal--it is a HORRBLE situation but there is NO intent to eliminate Palestinians FROMEXISTING, nor FOR existing--"

Correct. Not to mention that if it's a genocide, the Israelis have not been very successful with that mission because the numbers don't support the claims

[gibsons2]

Posted: 3/18/26 at 4:21pm

iluvtheatertrash said: "ScottK said: "Simply google the definition of "genocide"--the actions are not genocidal--it is a HORRBLE situation but there is NO intent to eliminate Palestinians FROMEXISTING, nor FOR existing--"

Correct. Not to mention that if it's a genocide, the Israelis have not been very successful with that mission because the numbers don't support the claims"

you heard, folks. Not nearly enough palestinian children have been blown up by Israel, so it's defo not a genocide. Case closed.

[JSquared2]

Posted: 3/18/26 at 4:25pm

And yet another thread has gone entirely off the rails...

 

[SteveSanders]

Posted: 3/18/26 at 4:31pm

nycward said: "Saw this last night and liked the play which made me feel uncomfortable quite often. Yes, that was the point indeed. Can someone help me understand the choice for this ugly ass set that doesn't do anything to support the actors or the play? I've tried to rationalize it but I keep coming up empty."

Their house is under construction and they are living through it.  The messiness of the set seems appropriate given that context.

 

[Charley Kringas Inc]

Posted: 3/18/26 at 5:04pm

JSquared2 said: "And yet another thread has gone entirely off the rails...

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To be fair, the thing being discussed is a central element to the play, so I'm not sure what meaningful discussion about this play would look like otherwise unless we all just want to sit here and pass around anodyne comments on the quality of the acting.

[iluvtheatertrash]

Posted: 3/18/26 at 5:05pm

gibsons2 said: "iluvtheatertrash said: "ScottK said: "Simply google the definition of "genocide"--the actions are not genocidal--it is a HORRBLE situation but there is NO intent to eliminate Palestinians FROMEXISTING, nor FOR existing--"

Correct. Not to mention that if it's a genocide, the Israelis have not been very successful with that mission because the numbers don't support the claims"

you heard, folks. Not nearly enough palestinian children have been blown up by Israel, so it's defo not a genocide. Case closed."

Ah, yes, twist my words to suit your agenda.

If you are going to say things like "it's a genocide", the numbers matter. Many have died. And it is tragic. War is tragic. The Israeli government, along with the Palestinian government, have committed atrocities on one another. But no, it's not a genocide. Facts matter.

No one is saying "oh, there should be more". We're talking about words, their meanings and the facts that represent them. Less than ten percent, a number which includes militants, of a population is not a genocide. acknowledging this doesn't equate to wanting to see more death. And it is shameful for you to insinuate that is what is being said here.

If you cannot have a good faith discussion without twisting people's words, you should bow out.

Updated On: 3/18/26 at 05:05 PM

[Charley Kringas Inc]

Posted: 3/18/26 at 5:07pm

iluvtheatertrash said: "gibsons2 said: "iluvtheatertrash said: "ScottK said: "Simply google the definition of "genocide"--the actions are not genocidal--it is a HORRBLE situation but there is NO intent to eliminate Palestinians FROMEXISTING, nor FOR existing--"

Correct. Not to mention that if it's a genocide, the Israelis have not been very successful with that mission because the numbers don't support the claims"

you heard, folks. Not nearly enough palestinian children have been blown up by Israel, so it's defo not a genocide. Case closed."

Ah, yes, twist my words to suit your agenda.

If you are going to say things like "it's a genocide", the numbers matter. Many have died. And it is tragic. War is tragic. The Israeli government, along with the Palestinian government, have committed atrocities on one another. But no, it's not a genocide. Facts matter.

No one is saying "oh, there should be more". We're talking about words, their meanings and the facts that represent them.

if you cannot have a good faith discussion without twisting people's words, you should bow out."

What is the required number of dead people to qualify as a genocide?

[iluvtheatertrash]

Posted: 3/18/26 at 5:11pm

Charley Kringas Inc said: "iluvtheatertrash said: "gibsons2 said: "iluvtheatertrash said: "ScottK said: "Simply google the definition of "genocide"--the actions are not genocidal--it is a HORRBLE situation but there is NO intent to eliminate Palestinians FROMEXISTING, nor FOR existing--"

Correct. Not to mention that if it's a genocide, the Israelis have not been very successful with that mission because the numbers don't support the claims"

you heard, folks. Not nearly enough palestinian children have been blown up by Israel, so it's defo not a genocide. Case closed."

Ah, yes, twist my words to suit your agenda.

If you are going to say things like "it's a genocide", the numbers matter. Many have died. And it is tragic. War is tragic. The Israeli government, along with the Palestinian government, have committed atrocities on one another. But no, it's not a genocide. Facts matter.

No one is saying "oh, there should be more". We're talking about words, their meanings and the facts that represent them.

if you cannot have a good faith discussion without twisting people's words, you should bow out."

What is the required number of dead people to qualify as a genocide?"

A lot more than less than 10% of a population. Ever look at how many Jews were left in certain places in Europe after the Holocaust? Ever see the numbers from Sudan? From Darfur? They don't compare.

it is possible to acknowledge atrocities committed by Bibi's government without using words that are incorrect. It's not a genocide. And if it were, the number would be much higher after 2.5 years. 
 

Again, if you're not capable of a good faith conversation about it, you shouldn't participate in one.

[Charley Kringas Inc]

Posted: 3/18/26 at 5:15pm

iluvtheatertrash said: "Charley Kringas Inc said: "iluvtheatertrash said: "gibsons2 said: "iluvtheatertrash said: "ScottK said: "Simply google the definition of "genocide"--the actions are not genocidal--it is a HORRBLE situation but there is NO intent to eliminate Palestinians FROMEXISTING, nor FOR existing--"

Correct. Not to mention that if it's a genocide, the Israelis have not been very successful with that mission because the numbers don't support the claims"

you heard, folks. Not nearly enough palestinian children have been blown up by Israel, so it's defo not a genocide. Case closed."

Ah, yes, twist my words to suit your agenda.

If you are going to say things like "it's a genocide", the numbers matter. Many have died. And it is tragic. War is tragic. The Israeli government, along with the Palestinian government, have committed atrocities on one another. But no, it's not a genocide. Facts matter.

No one is saying "oh, there should be more". We're talking about words, their meanings and the facts that represent them.

if you cannot have a good faith discussion without twisting people's words, you should bow out."

What is the required number of dead people to qualify as a genocide?"

A lot more than less than 10% of a population. Ever look at how many Jews were left in certain places in Europe after the Holocaust? Ever see the numbers from Sudan? From Darfur? They don't compare.

it is possible to acknowledge atrocities committed by Bibi's government without using words that are incorrect. It's not a genocide. And if it were, the number would be much higher after 2.5 years.


Again, if you're not capable of a good faith conversation about it, you shouldn't participate in one."

I'm asking in genuine good faith, as I don't believe the accepted definition of genocide requires a specific body count or time frame.

[PipingHotPiccolo]

Posted: 3/18/26 at 9:21pm

of course its not a genocide- or, if it is, please point me to anyone using that term to describe what the US did in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and many other places, halfway around the world, and not in response to direct violent attacks *that took hundreds of hostages*-- has there EVER been a genocide where the people being allegedly genocided had a leadership that refused to surrender or release hostages to stop the alleged slaughter? 

it was a disgusting war, between truly horrific terrorist lunatics, and a vengeful, certainly over zealous and often criminal, army that without question committed horrid atrocities. neither side seems capable of admitting either of these truths tho, so one side accuses the other of committing genocide, which is off, so the allegations lands nowhere and accomplishes nothing. 

this is the sort of gray area id hope GIANT explores. Well meaning people duped into using the phrase genocide are not necessarily antiSemites; the notion that the ONLY country to be accused to committing genocide since WW2 is the Jewish state is nevertheless worth exploring. Its all complicated.

[Ragged Tear]

Posted: 3/18/26 at 9:53pm

PipingHotPiccolo said: "this is the sort of gray area id hope GIANT explores. Well meaning people duped into using the phrase genocide are not necessarily antiSemites; the notion that the ONLY country to be accused to committing genocide since WW2 is the Jewish state is nevertheless worth exploring. Its all complicated."

Who said there haven’t been other genocides since WWII?!? 

[gibsons2]

Posted: 3/19/26 at 8:42am

PipingHotPiccolo said: "Well meaning people duped into using the phrase genocide are not necessarily antiSemites; the notion that the ONLY country to be accused to committing genocide since WW2 is the Jewish state is nevertheless worth exploring. Its all complicated."

Multiple countries have committed and were accused of committing very real genocides since WW2. And some were even prosecuted. Remember Khmer Rouge, Rwanda, Srebrenica, Muslim minority Uyghurs in China? Maybe you should read a book instead of concentrating on bending backwards defending and denying the genocide committed by Israel.  

[Dreamboy3]

Posted: 3/19/26 at 8:50am

The definition of Genoside doesn’t depend on the number of people killed. It depends on the intent of those committing the act. But that definition seems completely lost in criticisms of the atrocities that have happened in in the region over the past 9 months.  Netanyahu is as corrupt as Trump and has committed war crimes and is probably the individual most responsible for anti-semitism in the last 50 years. Of course, the play takes place before the war and the rise of Netanyahu but I’m hoping it captures the nuances involved in criticisms of Israel

[PipingHotPiccolo]

Posted: 3/19/26 at 10:14am

netanyahu is disgusting, but the notion that he can CAUSE antisemitism is so repugnant, and so the sort of thing you would never ever say about any other minority under constant violent assault, its a good reminder not to bother having these discussions with the likes of the faux progressives on a broadway message board

that said, i appreciate the call out on my typo re genocide--i meant to include the word "Western" there, ie there have been many mass bombing campaigns by the US/NATO on a host of countries that have killed tens of thousands of people for reasons no one bothers to even justify--the word genocide was never used. the INTENT of course matters, and its only israel that has been accused to trying to wipe out a population (which statistically they have done a truly horrible job of)

i say all this as an opponent of not only this despicable israeli govt but as someone who is certain war crimes were committed in gaza (as they were in iraq, aghanistant--just yesterday pakistan wiped out a few hundred people in an airstrike, no way any of you even heard about it). Calling out those crimes is just and noble, but calling them genocidal in intent is silly and counterproductive. 

but as with the trump stuff on these boards, ill go back to letting the idiocy prevail. i cant wait to see giant. i hope it rattles me one way or the other.

[BWAY Baby2]

Posted: 3/19/26 at 12:11pm

Genocide?? How about the genocide of Israelis who have been killed and ganged up on since they became a state. Why is the genocide of Israelis never spoken about??

Updated On: 3/19/26 at 12:11 PM

[quizking101]

Posted: 3/19/26 at 12:13pm

…So other than all this, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?

[gibsons2]

Posted: 3/19/26 at 1:05pm

BWAY Baby2 said: "Genocide?? How about the genocide of Israelis who have been killed and ganged up on since they became a state. Why is the genocide of Israelis never spoken about??"

Yawn

[CheeseDoodle10]

Posted: 3/19/26 at 4:28pm

Antisemitism is fun! Imagine saying any other ethnicity was responsible for racism against it....Woof..

[CheeseDoodle10]

Posted: 3/19/26 at 4:28pm

Alrighty then - You seem fun. 

[gibsons2]

Posted: 3/19/26 at 7:41pm

CheeseDoodle10 said: "Antisemitism is fun! Imagine saying any other ethnicity was responsible for racism against it....Woof.."

No, its just that all normal people just really, really hate children being slaughtered indiscriminately. Your fake outrage no longer has any weight

[BWAY Baby2]

Posted: 3/19/26 at 7:52pm

So the Israeli women, children and men who suffer from terrorist attacks and bombings don't count--- I get it-- the children of Gaza are being slaughtered-- but the slaughter of Jews doesn't matter because they deserve it. Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran-- and the terror organization are the true victims. Israelis  are engaged in genocide-- but no genocide is being perpetrated on the Israeli Jews--- yeah, right!

Updated On: 3/19/26 at 07:52 PM

[CheeseDoodle10]

Posted: 3/19/26 at 8:10pm

BWAY Baby2 said: "So the Israeli women, children and men who suffer from terrorist attacks and bombings don't count--- I get it-- the children of Gaza are being slaughtered-- but the slaughter of Jews doesn't matter because they deserve it. Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran-- and theterror organization are the true victims. Israelis are engaged in genocide-- but no genocide is being perpetrated on the Israeli Jews--- yeah, right!"

The only reason they call it a genocide is because when it happens to us, we deserved it. It's all antisemitic nonsense. 

[gibsons2]

Posted: 3/19/26 at 9:44pm

BWAY Baby2 said: "So the Israeli women, children and men who suffer from terrorist attacks and bombings don't count--- I get it-- the children of Gaza are being slaughtered-- but the slaughter of Jews doesn't matter because they deserve it. Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran-- and theterror organization are the true victims. Israelis are engaged in genocide-- but no genocide is being perpetrated on the Israeli Jews--- yeah, right!"

The entire world is just asking Israel stop killing children.  And you still make it all about you.

[Ensemble1698878795]

Posted: 3/19/26 at 9:48pm

The debate on this thread means the play is doing its job.