#276
Posted: 9/28/13 at 11:52am
Wynbish - exactly and he even bought their songs - lol.
Glee Appreciation Thread — Page 12
#277
Posted: 9/28/13 at 12:05pm
allthatjazz - You do know that Lennon-McCartney are considered one of the greatest songwriters of all time. They not only revolutionized music but changed the culture of the world. From clothing, haircuts to making album covers art forms they had tremendous impact on the world. They were also very talented muscians and someone like Paul McCartney can play lead guitar,bass, piano, drums and many other type instruments. Mr. Jackson was a very talented man and I am not going to knock his accomplishments but I truly doubt any artist will ever have the impact of The Beatles in our lifetimes.
Updated On: 9/28/13 at 12:05 PM
#278
Posted: 9/28/13 at 12:33pm
I can see a case for Michael Jackson as #2- at least as pop/rock/soul artists go.
#279
Posted: 9/28/13 at 12:53pm
"I guess it's a matter of taste, as much as I love Julie Andrews and Angela Lansbury, to me a proper diva should be a bitch."
NO! And those who do think being a Diva is the same as being a bitch are also WRONG!
And did we really need another fcuking GLEE thread?
NO! And those who do think being a Diva is the same as being a bitch are also WRONG!
And did we really need another fcuking GLEE thread?
"TheatreDiva90016 - another good reason to frequent these boards less."<<>>
“I hesitate to give this line of discussion the validation it so desperately craves by perpetuating it, but the light from logic is getting further and further away with your every successive post.” <<>>
-whatever2
#280
Posted: 9/28/13 at 3:37pm
I just finished the episode and I thought it was very cute. The Kitty and Artie song was my favorite. Was the episode really corny? Yeah, but i'm glad GLEE is back ( sue me).
So Lauren Bacall me, anything goes! *wink*
#282
Posted: 9/28/13 at 4:54pm
I clicked onto this because it was called a 'Glee Appreciation Thread,' thinking it might be someplace where its fans could chat about what they still might enjoy: i.e., the cast, the songs, the stories, the diversity. Instead, it seems that many of the postings are from detractors whining about how bad they think 'Glee' is, or how it 'sucks.' If I hated a show, I'd stop watching it and move on, instead of posting snarky remarks on an 'appreciation' thread. But I guess some folks can't help but accentuate the negative.
#283
Posted: 9/28/13 at 5:25pm
"If I hated a show, I'd stop watching it and move on, instead of posting snarky remarks on an 'appreciation' thread"
Exactly. Why would anyone take time out their day to watch a show they hate? Pathetic.
Exactly. Why would anyone take time out their day to watch a show they hate? Pathetic.
So Lauren Bacall me, anything goes! *wink*
#285
Posted: 9/28/13 at 5:26pm
"Are you asking for a Glee Hate thread?"
This is a GLEE hate thread.
This is a GLEE hate thread.
So Lauren Bacall me, anything goes! *wink*
#286
Posted: 9/28/13 at 5:30pm
So, we're missing an N2N Nate. Hate Thread? Is that what you're suggesting? Please elaborate, broadway guy...
#287
Posted: 9/28/13 at 5:40pm
That sentence makes no sense. Nothing new for you, I suppose.
So Lauren Bacall me, anything goes! *wink*
Updated On: 9/28/13 at 05:40 PM
#288
Posted: 9/28/13 at 5:42pm
"Nothing new you for you"?
And THAT makes sense?
And THAT makes sense?
Updated On: 9/28/13 at 05:42 PM
#289
Posted: 9/28/13 at 5:52pm
"That sentence makes no sense. Nothing new for you, I suppose. "
That's rich coming from someone as infamous as broadway guy. How's that circus revival of SEUSSICAL going?
That's rich coming from someone as infamous as broadway guy. How's that circus revival of SEUSSICAL going?
#290
Posted: 9/28/13 at 6:00pm
I am partially convinced that this is exactly HOW one is supposed to enjoy Glee- by shaking one's head, but criticizing it wildly, by being flabbergasted at its wild leaps in logic and characterization. The scene in which Jakob ben Israel, the show's nerdiest and most repulsive character, quotes online criticism of the show's flaws more or less verbatim to characters who blow him off seems to indicate that the writers of the show are not incompetent or talentless- for whatever perverse reason, they know exactly what they are doing, and they are doing it well.
#291
Posted: 9/28/13 at 6:56pm
That's an interesting take, darquegk. For what it's worth, I've watched Glee from day 1; I was still in high school (and a drama-club girl at that) back when it first premiered. And it's definitely declined. But somehow, I keep watching. It doesn't make me think, the way, say, The Good Wife or Fringe or Sherlock has. It doesn't whisk me off to some fantastical world like Doctor Who or Pushing Daisies. But it charms me, for all its silliness and sheer lack of realism mixed with moments that are so incredibly real- if that makes any sense at all. From a critical standpoint, there are so many things to critique and plot holes the size of the Grand Canyon. But for some reason, it still has its moments when it makes me smile. And that's why I keep watching.
#292
Posted: 9/28/13 at 10:07pm
And did we really need another fcuking GLEE thread?
Another? This thread is 6 months old.
Another? This thread is 6 months old.
#293
Posted: 9/29/13 at 6:18am
I completely agree with darquegk and Bwayrose7 here,
"The writers know exactly what they are doing and they are doing it well. It charms me, for all its silliness and sheer lack of realism mixed with moments that are so incredibly real- if that makes any sense at all"
This is how one is supposed to enjoy Glee. The power of this series lies exactly in that.
I am actually shocked that people on here complain about plot-holes and realism-issues. The whole essence goes over their heads. Of course I notice these things too, but that's not at all what Glee is about. There have been episodes that made me laugh and cry at the same time, and some dialogues, interactions and details in scenes are so clever and "spot on", I have seen many people watching Glee and not "getting" certain moments. Like I said before, sometimes it might be too sharp and witty for some people. Of course everyone thinks they "get" everything, but if something makes me laugh or cry, and someone else doesn't even notice the moment, it doesn't mean it's not there. When people complain about the things some people on here are complainig about, clearly they do not get it.
I also love the style of writing, it's more straight-forward than anything I have seen.
Also, we should not forget the huge impact Glee has had on the new generation in terms of making "the arts" popular again. 10 years ago the football players on the schools in my hometown would have never been interested in doing a school musical and now they play the leads. Also, many people outside of the showbizz world are not often confronted with such an open attitude towards gay relationships etc. Glee has done more than many might think.
"The writers know exactly what they are doing and they are doing it well. It charms me, for all its silliness and sheer lack of realism mixed with moments that are so incredibly real- if that makes any sense at all"
This is how one is supposed to enjoy Glee. The power of this series lies exactly in that.
I am actually shocked that people on here complain about plot-holes and realism-issues. The whole essence goes over their heads. Of course I notice these things too, but that's not at all what Glee is about. There have been episodes that made me laugh and cry at the same time, and some dialogues, interactions and details in scenes are so clever and "spot on", I have seen many people watching Glee and not "getting" certain moments. Like I said before, sometimes it might be too sharp and witty for some people. Of course everyone thinks they "get" everything, but if something makes me laugh or cry, and someone else doesn't even notice the moment, it doesn't mean it's not there. When people complain about the things some people on here are complainig about, clearly they do not get it.
I also love the style of writing, it's more straight-forward than anything I have seen.
Also, we should not forget the huge impact Glee has had on the new generation in terms of making "the arts" popular again. 10 years ago the football players on the schools in my hometown would have never been interested in doing a school musical and now they play the leads. Also, many people outside of the showbizz world are not often confronted with such an open attitude towards gay relationships etc. Glee has done more than many might think.
Updated On: 9/29/13 at 06:18 AM
#294
Posted: 9/29/13 at 10:42am
^Completely agree!
Yankee, of course I'm aware, and like I said I love many of their songs I just happen to like Michael better. Plus I don't really appreciate what they did to Broadway and the American music of the time.
Yankee, of course I'm aware, and like I said I love many of their songs I just happen to like Michael better. Plus I don't really appreciate what they did to Broadway and the American music of the time.
#295
Posted: 9/29/13 at 11:02am
Agreeing with Dave19 is like saying "Y'know, I kind of see where al qaeda is coming from".
People who say that this "style of writing is what they're going for" obviously is new to Ryan Murphy land. This is how every one of his shows are written, with the least offensive being AMERICAN HORROR STORY, but it's still guilty of it on a certain level. Going all the way back to POPULAR (a show that I adored but still found infuriating because of the same writing issues that GLEE has), one can see that this is just the style his shows are done in and have absolutely no thought to the audience behind them and in fact, one can argue shows contempt for it's audience by not caring enough to stay true to it's previous plot points, character developments etc. It's just bad writing. Simple as that.
People who say that this "style of writing is what they're going for" obviously is new to Ryan Murphy land. This is how every one of his shows are written, with the least offensive being AMERICAN HORROR STORY, but it's still guilty of it on a certain level. Going all the way back to POPULAR (a show that I adored but still found infuriating because of the same writing issues that GLEE has), one can see that this is just the style his shows are done in and have absolutely no thought to the audience behind them and in fact, one can argue shows contempt for it's audience by not caring enough to stay true to it's previous plot points, character developments etc. It's just bad writing. Simple as that.
#296
Posted: 9/29/13 at 11:06am
"Yankee, of course I'm aware, and like I said I love many of their songs I just happen to like Michael better. Plus I don't really appreciate what they did to Broadway and the American music of the time."
I don't know if it is actually possible to hate a stranger, but I'm officially starting a new trend. Oh, if I only I could type what I want to.. I'd probably be banned. So I'll just remind you that the Beatles are a core piece of the foundation our music of today -- ALL MUSIC -- stands on. Now go Suck on a lollipop or something.
I don't know if it is actually possible to hate a stranger, but I'm officially starting a new trend. Oh, if I only I could type what I want to.. I'd probably be banned. So I'll just remind you that the Beatles are a core piece of the foundation our music of today -- ALL MUSIC -- stands on. Now go Suck on a lollipop or something.
#297
Posted: 9/29/13 at 11:36am
I also love the style of writing, it's more straight-forward than anything I have seen.
Lord.
Lord.
#298
Posted: 9/29/13 at 11:45am
I am partially convinced that this is exactly HOW one is supposed to enjoy Glee- by shaking one's head, but criticizing it wildly, by being flabbergasted at its wild leaps in logic and characterization. The scene in which Jakob ben Israel, the show's nerdiest and most repulsive character, quotes online criticism of the show's flaws more or less verbatim to characters who blow him off seems to indicate that the writers of the show are not incompetent or talentless- for whatever perverse reason, they know exactly what they are doing, and they are doing it well.
Acknowledging criticism of your show is a lazy way of addressing the criticism without, you know, actually doing anything about it. Shows like Family Guy do it, too, and it doesn't impress me there either.
From what I can tell, a lot of Glee's problems come from Ryan Murphy telling the writers that they have to insert a certain song or plot line, even if it's completely out of character or doesn't work at all with the show. Then the writers have to warp the characters' personalities and/or the plot to make it happen.
Acknowledging criticism of your show is a lazy way of addressing the criticism without, you know, actually doing anything about it. Shows like Family Guy do it, too, and it doesn't impress me there either.
From what I can tell, a lot of Glee's problems come from Ryan Murphy telling the writers that they have to insert a certain song or plot line, even if it's completely out of character or doesn't work at all with the show. Then the writers have to warp the characters' personalities and/or the plot to make it happen.
Jimmy, what are you doing here in the middle of the night? It's almost 9 PM!
#299
Posted: 9/29/13 at 11:56am
I'm not saying it's good, and it is almost ALWAYS bad. But I think it's like criticizing Rage Against The Machine for not being pretty, or Charles Ives for not being hummable. Glee is not trying to be well-written, quality television. It is TRYING to be trash, I think. "We know what the problems with our show are. Screw you all- if we felt like fixing them, we already would have."
The factors that led to the failure of many of Murphy's other shows have inexplicably led to the success of this one. So why should he change a thing? It works for him- just not for any of us. It's like telling Frank Wildhorn to not write power ballads or pop stylings into his shows.
The factors that led to the failure of many of Murphy's other shows have inexplicably led to the success of this one. So why should he change a thing? It works for him- just not for any of us. It's like telling Frank Wildhorn to not write power ballads or pop stylings into his shows.
#300
Posted: 9/29/13 at 1:50pm
"Glee is not trying to be well-written, quality television. It is TRYING to be trash, I think."
If the show was more self aware and self-depricating about it, like Community does so well, I'd buy your theory. But I see no hint of that in the show. I see it taking itself way too seriously by trying to be unique and quirky; that's not sincere or legitimate. Especially when you see shows like The New Girl and The Mindy Project that do it successfully with sincerity. Glee is not authentic.
"It works for him- just not for any of us. It's like telling Frank Wildhorn to not write power ballads or pop stylings into his shows."
I think Mr. Wildhorn himself, the most flopable (my new word) composer in the industry, would beg to differ with you on that one. It clearly doesn't work or translate to commercial/critical success...
If the show was more self aware and self-depricating about it, like Community does so well, I'd buy your theory. But I see no hint of that in the show. I see it taking itself way too seriously by trying to be unique and quirky; that's not sincere or legitimate. Especially when you see shows like The New Girl and The Mindy Project that do it successfully with sincerity. Glee is not authentic.
"It works for him- just not for any of us. It's like telling Frank Wildhorn to not write power ballads or pop stylings into his shows."
I think Mr. Wildhorn himself, the most flopable (my new word) composer in the industry, would beg to differ with you on that one. It clearly doesn't work or translate to commercial/critical success...
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