Hamilton now campaigning for Emmys

https://www.goldderby.com/article/2021/hamilton-emmy-submissions-lin-manuel-miranda/

So for the Golden Globes, it was a movie. (But not eligible for Academy Awards.)

Now for the Emmys it’s a TV show.

Got it.

Updated On: 7/4/21 at 07:47 PM

Anakela said: "Scroll down a bit and that article lists the categories that it is eligible for?"

I read the article - I just think it’s unfair that they get to have it both ways.

Because the Oscars have different rules from the Globes have different rules from the Emmys?

I find this the more interesting conversation/debate:
Emmys: Ongoing Dispute About Whether or Not ‘Hamilton’ Performers Are Eligible for Acting Noms

JBroadway said: and we HAVE blamed the Globes for having stupid rules, which is partly why there's no more Globes."

Did I miss an announcement? The last thing I remember hearing about the Globes. Is that NBC would no longer air them. Not that they didn't exist.



IF the Oscars qualified it as a film, then there would be something afoot. The Globes count for so little.

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I say it every year but please condense the Emmys. Not a seperate daytime show. If Hamilton wants Emmys, the poor shows desperate enough to submit for soap opera Emmys should be on the same level. It's capitalism. I will fight to the death that less is more.

BrodyFosse123 said: "The Golden Globe Awards STILL exist. NBC announced they’re no longer airing the awards show. That’s it. The Golden Globe Awards didn’t cease to exist. Hahaha."

Sorry - poor choice of words. I was trying to be hyperbolic to express the extreme reckoning they're facing, but yes, I agree I should've phrased it in a way that wasn't misleading.

However, I think things are a bit worse than you're painting them. NBC's decision didn't happen in a vacuum, it happened because criticism of the Globe's corruption reached a tipping point. No other network will want to touch it with a 10-foot-poll, at least this year. And the Globes are not like other awards shows: The Globes / HFPA function on their smoke-and-mirrors elitism, and a huge part of that is being on a major network, and putting on a glitzy show. Live-streaming a low-budget ceremony from their website isn't really their MO.

They've promised to reform their system, yes, but they've been so steeped in corruption, they really have their work cut out for them. I believe that the Globes will be back, but I don't think we'll see them this year, unless they really go WAY above and beyond to demonstrate to the public that they've changed.

Updated On: 7/5/21 at 10:39 AM

BrodyFosse123 said: "The Golden Globe Awards ceremony are far from “a low-budget ceremony.” Of all the awards ceremony it’s the one most look forward to as they serve food and drinks and you’re seated at a table with your represented film."



No, you misunderstood my post. I specifically called the Globes "glitzy" and said that doing a low-budget ceremony was NOT something they would want to do. My point about low-budget was that, if they don't have the big network funding, and no support from the industry, they might not be able to put on a glamorous event like they usually do.

If anything, you've proved my point my making a big to-do about the Globes being more fun to attend. That's a big part of their brand, and without that, they might not want to go on this year.

Now, I might be wrong about their source of funding - the HFPA might have enough money in their own budget to put on a nice show without the network. But in any case, I specifically did not imply that the Globes ceremony is normally low-budget. I was saying quite the opposite.

Updated On: 7/5/21 at 11:29 AM

Let me preface this by saying I don't subscribe to this conspiracy:

Psyop is short for "psychological operation", and it's a military tactic used to induce or reinforce behavior favorable to a country's objectives. In the United States, it's used on foreign entities, swaying the people of that country against their oppressive leaders and towards the US Army's side. However, there are conspiracy theorists that believe psyops are used on the American people to maintain the status quo, or to dissuade protest or civil disobedience. Hamilton conveniently happened to come out at a time when the American public was starting to reevaluate the moral character of the founding fathers, and that the musical was put out on the orders of US intelligence agencies to reframe the mostly middle-aged, white supremacist slaveholders that founded our country as a group of young multiracial progressives.

TLDR: Tin-foil hat wearers believe Hamilton was a CIA-sponsored PR campaign for the Founding Fathers, and the near-constant attention from mainstream media and establishment politicians since the moment it was created is seen as evidence in favor of the belief.

It's absurd, embarrassing and infuriating that Hamilton, which was basically a taped performance, got SEVEN acting nominations. In my opinion, it should've only been considered in categories actually unique to the project, like film direction and editing. It's a filmed performance, with little unique to television!

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Hilarious.

gypsy101 said: "everythingtaboo said: "It's absurd, embarrassing and infuriating that Hamilton, which was basically a taped performance, got SEVENacting nominations. In my opinion, it should've only been considered in categories actually unique to the project, like film direction and editing. It's a filmed performance, with little unique to television!"

did you know thatall performances nominatedat the Emmys aretaped performances? shocking i know"

You're telling me there's no difference between acting that is done specifically for the screen, and one that is for the stage and filmed?

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This is worse than the ridiculous "Outstanding Musical Performance in a Talk Show/Morning Program" that awarded Ben Platt, Cynthia Erivo and other Bway performers with Emmy Awards for promoting their shows on tv. That was ludicrous and it was finally acknowledged and the category was pulled.

This is worse because some truly wonderful actors over several categories who made actual television shows lost out to actors that already received Tony noms or wins for the same performances on the same stage. It's pathetic.

Updated On: 7/13/21 at 05:24 PM

DaveyG said: "This is worse than the ridiculous"Outstanding Musical Performance in a Talk Show/Morning Program" that awarded Ben Platt, Cynthia Erivo and other Bway performers with Emmy Awards for promoting their shows on tv. That was ludicrous and it was finally acknowledged and the category was pulled.

This is worse because some truly wonderful actors over several categories who made actual television shows lost out to actors that already received Tony noms or winsfor the same performances on the same stage. It's pathetic."

WORD DAVEY