How did "Wicked" lose Best Musical to a show about puppets?
#2
Posted: 6/2/08 at 8:06pm
Wicked should of won.
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-Jeff Bowen's worst onstage line flub.
#3
Posted: 6/2/08 at 8:07pm
I'll let you know when I see Wicked for the first time this Thursday.
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#4
Posted: 6/2/08 at 8:07pm
Avenue Q led an extensive Tony campaign that was very funny and very popular.
Also: Avenue Q is a better musical.
Also: Avenue Q is a better musical.
#5
Posted: 6/2/08 at 8:08pm
I know. So unfair.
It should have lost to that show about black and Jewish people instead.
It should have lost to that show about black and Jewish people instead.
"Some people can thrive and bloom living life in a living room, that's perfect for some people of one hundred and five. But I at least gotta try, when I think of all the sights that I gotta see, all the places I gotta play, all the things that I gotta be at"
#6
Posted: 6/2/08 at 8:09pm
I would've rather it lost to that (or an Australian singer who happens to be Judy Garland's son-in-law) than what's supposed to be a parody of Sesame Street.
#7
Posted: 6/2/08 at 8:15pm
have you seen Avenue Q, because Wicked is one of my favorites but as a whole show(i.e. book, music, actors, sets, lighting etc...) Avenue Q was in fact the better show. Wicked is great but it's all about the leads and their songs, it faulters with the other characters and the script could be tighter.
#8
Posted: 6/2/08 at 8:16pm
They voted their hearts and gave the award to the best show.
#9
Posted: 6/2/08 at 8:24pm
go see Avenue Q, and you will see why it won. Its much better than wicked. And im not show bashing, because ive seen Wicked 11 times, but AVE Q is overall better.
#10
Posted: 6/2/08 at 8:28pm
Avenue Q deserved every award it got IMO. The score is much more tuneful than Wicked's mostly forgettable score (and this comes from someone who loves Schwartz's Godspell and Pippin scores). 2 or 3 memorable songs does not a good score make.
Avenue Q also has a bright and witty book which shines in comparison to Winnie Holzman's book, which contains underdeveloped characters (Fiyero), plot holes, and loose ends (the green bottle, the whole Animal/animal subplot that's introduced in Act 1, then dropped).
Basically what I'm saying is that the better show won. That's not to say Wicked is a god-awful show, but it relies on tons of spectacle to cover up the flaws in the material. Flaws which were clearly evident to the Tony voters.
Avenue Q also has a bright and witty book which shines in comparison to Winnie Holzman's book, which contains underdeveloped characters (Fiyero), plot holes, and loose ends (the green bottle, the whole Animal/animal subplot that's introduced in Act 1, then dropped).
Basically what I'm saying is that the better show won. That's not to say Wicked is a god-awful show, but it relies on tons of spectacle to cover up the flaws in the material. Flaws which were clearly evident to the Tony voters.
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Updated On: 6/2/08 at 08:28 PM
#11
Posted: 6/2/08 at 8:30pm
The score is much more tuneful than Wicked's mostly forgettable score (and this comes from someone who loves Schwartz's Godspell and Pippin scores). 2 or 3 memorable songs does not a good score make.
- EXACTLY. So true. WICKED is a very mediocre score, save for 2 or 3 songs.
- EXACTLY. So true. WICKED is a very mediocre score, save for 2 or 3 songs.
#12
Posted: 6/2/08 at 8:31pm
What are you talking about. The only forgettable songs are "March of the Witch Hunters" and "Dear Old Shiz".
#13
Posted: 6/2/08 at 8:34pm
I would consider every song except "Popular," "Defying Gravity," and "Dancing Through Life" very forgettable.
I absolutely despise "No One Mourns the Wicked." I really didn't remember "What is this Feeling?" (which, by the way, has a completely inconvenient title) after I saw it, and thats one of the more heralded numbers in the show.
Oh, and "Wonderful?" I mean, come on.
I absolutely despise "No One Mourns the Wicked." I really didn't remember "What is this Feeling?" (which, by the way, has a completely inconvenient title) after I saw it, and thats one of the more heralded numbers in the show.
Oh, and "Wonderful?" I mean, come on.
#14
Posted: 6/2/08 at 8:34pm
Because Avenue Q is a tight, well written show while Wicked isn't as tight of a package. I happen to think Wicked is kind of mediocre in many ways, and Avenue Q is just about as good as it can get. It's a very good, very entertaining production, but that's just my opinion. The majority of Tony voters seemed to have agreed with me.
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#15
Posted: 6/2/08 at 8:36pm
No Good Deed is pretty memorable!
Hunter: Your teeth need whitening./ Heidi: You sound weird./ Jeff: You taste funny.
-Jeff Bowen's worst onstage line flub.
-Jeff Bowen's worst onstage line flub.
#16
Posted: 6/2/08 at 8:36pm
double post
Hunter: Your teeth need whitening./ Heidi: You sound weird./ Jeff: You taste funny.
-Jeff Bowen's worst onstage line flub.
-Jeff Bowen's worst onstage line flub.
Updated On: 6/2/08 at 08:36 PM
#17
Posted: 6/2/08 at 8:41pm
You can't tell a Wicked fan the truth they won't believe it. I like Wicked but Avenue Q in the long run is a better musical.
#18
Posted: 6/2/08 at 8:42pm
"Dancing Through Life" is an awful, awful song. It features some of Schwartz' worst lyrics.
I think "Defying Gravity" is fun, "No Good Deed" is thrilling, "For Good" is touching (if derivative), "Popular" is an old-fashioned musical comedy number and with a good actress (ie Chenoweth, Jennifer Laura Thompsom, etc) it can be a real comedic showstopper (with a bad actress, the song itself kinda falls flat), and "No One Mourns the Wicked" is a great opening number.
I think "Defying Gravity" is fun, "No Good Deed" is thrilling, "For Good" is touching (if derivative), "Popular" is an old-fashioned musical comedy number and with a good actress (ie Chenoweth, Jennifer Laura Thompsom, etc) it can be a real comedic showstopper (with a bad actress, the song itself kinda falls flat), and "No One Mourns the Wicked" is a great opening number.
"Some people can thrive and bloom living life in a living room, that's perfect for some people of one hundred and five. But I at least gotta try, when I think of all the sights that I gotta see, all the places I gotta play, all the things that I gotta be at"
#19
Posted: 6/2/08 at 8:43pm
Wizard and I deserves a mention here too.
Hunter: Your teeth need whitening./ Heidi: You sound weird./ Jeff: You taste funny.
-Jeff Bowen's worst onstage line flub.
-Jeff Bowen's worst onstage line flub.
#20
Posted: 6/2/08 at 8:43pm
When are you people going to understand?
Just because YOU like something does NOT mean that EVERYONE ELSE DOES!
I love the score for WICKED! Plenty of people hate it!
Just because YOU like something does NOT mean that EVERYONE ELSE DOES!
I love the score for WICKED! Plenty of people hate it!
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#21
Posted: 6/2/08 at 8:45pm
Idina's performance on the Tonys was so bad they decided to give Avenue Q the award.
#22
Posted: 6/2/08 at 8:46pm
What the hell is up with this recent abundance of WICKED threads
Stop it already, just stop it. STOP IT
Stop it already, just stop it. STOP IT
#23
Posted: 6/2/08 at 8:47pm
Now that I agree with! Idina did TERRIBLY at the Tony's.
Hunter: Your teeth need whitening./ Heidi: You sound weird./ Jeff: You taste funny.
-Jeff Bowen's worst onstage line flub.
-Jeff Bowen's worst onstage line flub.
Updated On: 6/2/08 at 08:47 PM
#24
Posted: 6/2/08 at 8:49pm
So did Tonya Pinkins, yet she still deserved the award over Menzel.
"Some people can thrive and bloom living life in a living room, that's perfect for some people of one hundred and five. But I at least gotta try, when I think of all the sights that I gotta see, all the places I gotta play, all the things that I gotta be at"
#25
Posted: 6/2/08 at 8:50pm
"So did Tonya Pinkins, yet she still deserved the award over Menzel."
Now, by the same logic, we know why Caroline, or Change did not win Best Musical either.
Now, by the same logic, we know why Caroline, or Change did not win Best Musical either.
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