How did "Wicked" lose Best Musical to a show about puppets? — Page 5
#102
Posted: 6/4/08 at 1:53am
Me too. Why can't they leave our board alone and go get eaten alive at ATC?
#103
Posted: 6/4/08 at 2:02am
Because, my dear, it's America.
others may perceive US as dumbasses too and want us to leave. Even so I know that I'm not as idiotic as Jackson, Bryan, or MusicalTheatreFan3.
It gives me reassurance that I'm not a total douche. You know? There's always worse out there...
others may perceive US as dumbasses too and want us to leave. Even so I know that I'm not as idiotic as Jackson, Bryan, or MusicalTheatreFan3.
It gives me reassurance that I'm not a total douche. You know? There's always worse out there...
#104
Posted: 6/4/08 at 2:49am
That's a matter of opinion heh. You prolly didn't even vote for Hillary:)
#105
Posted: 6/4/08 at 3:38am
You don't classify scores as "dramatic" ... yes, there can be a consistent tone of dramatic music but a score (or music) wouldn't just be "dramatic"
WICKED is a pop score. AVENUE Q is a musical comedy score.
Therefore you are a dumbass Jackson.
And let's leave politics out of this, sweetheart.
WICKED is a pop score. AVENUE Q is a musical comedy score.
Therefore you are a dumbass Jackson.
And let's leave politics out of this, sweetheart.
#106
Posted: 6/4/08 at 4:35am
I didn't use the word score tho you can easily tell the difference in a score for a comedy and that of a dramatic piece. You did hit tho on why Wicked succeeds so well, because it is a pop score.
#107
Posted: 6/4/08 at 6:55am
I only saw 2 of the 4 shows nominated that year before the Tonys. They were "Wicked" and "Caroline or Change". I was very interested in seeing "Avenue Q" until I heard the OBCR and saw clips from the show. It just did nothing for me and made me decide not to see it. Same with "Boy From Oz". Had I been able to see into the future when I ordered tickets for my trip that year, I may have seen Q and Boy. I now think that because of what happened in 2004, I may just have to see Q when it hits Denver in Sept. But based on the 2 shows I saw, Caroline or Change was the clear winner for me. As far as scores go, I love Wicked and have seen it twice. Caroline's score was nothing short of brilliant. I didn't start listening to "Taboo" until a year after it closed and looking back, would not have been upset had it won Best Score. And I will be honest, I did not care for the way Q campaigned for the Tonys and how the majority of voters "fell for it". I walked past the theatre that year and just stood there and shook my head. At that point, I decided that I definetly would never see the show. But over the past 4 years, even though I still do not like the score or what I have seen, I decided that I may see it so I can judge the show as a whole and not just the snippets I have seen or heard. I honestly thought that Caroline or Wicked would be the winner that year. In my opinion, Wicked is a big show and a lot of fun. I had no problems with the score and am actually on my second copy of the CD. I saw it a second time on tour and didn't enjoy it as much. Mostly because of the scaled down set and some changed blocking/staging. But I will say that Caroline is tied with Sweeney for my favorite musical and I really think it should have won. I also would have been fine with Pinkins or Chenoweth taking Best Actress. Menzel was wonderful, but not my favorite out of the performances I was able to see. Just my random thoughts.
Just give the world Love. - S. Wonder
#108
Posted: 6/4/08 at 12:18pm
Jackson - the songs ARE the score.
you said.. "Avenue Q songs are cute whereas the songs from Wicked are dramatic"
perhaps SOME of the songs have a dramatic tone (what about Popular, What Is This Feeling, Dancing Through Life, One Short Day, Wonderful, For Good?) but the score/music/songs are not just classified as "dramatic". They are pop. They are contemporary.
AVENUE Q is not. It's more traditional musical comedy. But that doesn't effect the quality. A pop score could be an awful score. The WICKED score/music/songs are extrmely overrated, sweetie.
you said.. "Avenue Q songs are cute whereas the songs from Wicked are dramatic"
perhaps SOME of the songs have a dramatic tone (what about Popular, What Is This Feeling, Dancing Through Life, One Short Day, Wonderful, For Good?) but the score/music/songs are not just classified as "dramatic". They are pop. They are contemporary.
AVENUE Q is not. It's more traditional musical comedy. But that doesn't effect the quality. A pop score could be an awful score. The WICKED score/music/songs are extrmely overrated, sweetie.
#109
Posted: 6/4/08 at 1:37pm
"Avenue Q" is a fun, cute little show, but may I remind you, it is a spoof on "Sesame Street".
You've never actually seen Avenue Q, have you?
You've never actually seen Avenue Q, have you?
"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian
#110
Posted: 6/4/08 at 4:12pm
I love the music from both shows but I would much rather sing songs from Wicked. I'm not sure what you meant by posting that list as Popular is a comedy song and For Good is a serious song. Prolly my favorite song in the show too. The only exception for me that I love singing in Avenue Q is There's a Fine Fine Line. Absolutely gorgeous song.
#111
Posted: 6/4/08 at 4:26pm
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#112
Posted: 6/4/08 at 7:55pm
I have not seen AVENUE Q, but I have heard selections from the score. I have seen WICKED and love the album.
I think AVENUE Q won because it did something unique and different. It's not my cup of tea, but there is a lot of talent and originality there (not to mention heart).
Broadway Mouth: Sitcom to Stage Adaptations: Good Luck on That
I think AVENUE Q won because it did something unique and different. It's not my cup of tea, but there is a lot of talent and originality there (not to mention heart).
Broadway Mouth: Sitcom to Stage Adaptations: Good Luck on That
#113
Posted: 6/4/08 at 8:26pm
For about 3 years I've thought Wicked was a great show and unfairly lost to Ave. Q..until I saw Avenue Q this Monday. The score/songs, as many people have said, are a lot deeper than Wicked's. Avenue Q's are a lot more catchy and have meaning to them. Wicked has a couple catchy songs, like Popular, but if you think about it, the lyrics and attempts to rhyme are pretty...bad[for lack of a better word]. Most of the people Ive talked to said that they could see the words coming even when they've never heard the music before . The overall production of Wicked also leaves you wanting more, because after all the hype, you're probably expecting a spectacle. I loved Wicked for a while, but when I actually saw it, I realized that this show, even though it's a decent show, should've not won, and Avenue did deserve to win. The music from Avenue Q is thoughtful, edgy, clever, and plain out hilarious. The overall production is also better than Wicked's. Lighting-wise, even though Wicked is supposed to be a big flashy show, the lights in Avenue Q are actually a little better, IMO. I don't know if they've changed since 2004, but when I saw it a couple of days ago, I was amazed at how amazing the lighting in a show like Avenue Q could be. Now, there are times when Wicked has pretty cool lighting, like during Defying Gravity or No Good Deed, but otherwise it's not that "exciting."
*This is just my opinion as to why. lol.
*This is just my opinion as to why. lol.
#114
Posted: 6/4/08 at 8:35pm
how did Into the Woods lose Best Musical to a really bloated musical with about 2 original melody lines?
When I see the phrase "the ____ estate", I imagine a vast mansion in the country full of monocled men and high-collared women receiving letters about productions across the country and doing spit-takes at whatever they contain.
-Kad
#115
Posted: 6/4/08 at 8:42pm
"For Good" was written for high school graduations. Let's face it.
Jimmy, what are you doing here in the middle of the night? It's almost 9 PM!
#116
Posted: 6/4/08 at 9:07pm
Avenue Q is an overall better musical. Wicked is a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful show. It's hard to compare two shows that are so different. But in general, I'd pick the puppets.
I also really hate the crazy fan-girls that obsess about Wicked. Not that that would change which show won the Tony.
I also really hate the crazy fan-girls that obsess about Wicked. Not that that would change which show won the Tony.
#117
Posted: 6/4/08 at 9:16pm
Those comparing Ave. Q and Wicked...did you by any chance see Caroline or Change or Boy From Oz?
Just give the world Love. - S. Wonder
#118
Posted: 6/4/08 at 9:20pm
I saw "Boy from Oz". I liked "Wicked" better, but I still liked "Boy from Oz" a lot. If the Tonys had 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th place, if I was a voter I would put it as
1. Wicked
2. The Boy from Oz
3. Caroline or Change
4. Avenue Q
1. Wicked
2. The Boy from Oz
3. Caroline or Change
4. Avenue Q
#119
Posted: 6/4/08 at 9:48pm
SHUT UP!
#120
Posted: 6/5/08 at 1:23am
I also enjoyed Boy From Oz. I hated Caroline Or Change with a passion tho. It can't even compare with Wicked and Avenue Q
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