How did "Wicked" lose Best Musical to a show about puppets?- Page 5

[TooDarnHot]

Posted: 6/4/08 at 1:47am

I hate dumbasses.

[ljay889]

Posted: 6/4/08 at 1:53am

Me too. Why can't they leave our board alone and go get eaten alive at ATC?

[TooDarnHot]

Posted: 6/4/08 at 2:02am

Because, my dear, it's America.

others may perceive US as dumbasses too and want us to leave. Even so I know that I'm not as idiotic as Jackson, Bryan, or MusicalTheatreFan3.

It gives me reassurance that I'm not a total douche. You know? There's always worse out there...

[jackson992]

Posted: 6/4/08 at 2:49am

That's a matter of opinion heh. You prolly didn't even vote for Hillary:)

[TooDarnHot]

Posted: 6/4/08 at 3:38am

You don't classify scores as "dramatic" ... yes, there can be a consistent tone of dramatic music but a score (or music) wouldn't just be "dramatic"

WICKED is a pop score. AVENUE Q is a musical comedy score.

Therefore you are a dumbass Jackson.

And let's leave politics out of this, sweetheart.

[jackson992]

Posted: 6/4/08 at 4:35am

I didn't use the word score tho you can easily tell the difference in a score for a comedy and that of a dramatic piece. You did hit tho on why Wicked succeeds so well, because it is a pop score.

[uncageg]

Posted: 6/4/08 at 6:55am

I only saw 2 of the 4 shows nominated that year before the Tonys. They were "Wicked" and "Caroline or Change". I was very interested in seeing "Avenue Q" until I heard the OBCR and saw clips from the show. It just did nothing for me and made me decide not to see it. Same with "Boy From Oz". Had I been able to see into the future when I ordered tickets for my trip that year, I may have seen Q and Boy. I now think that because of what happened in 2004, I may just have to see Q when it hits Denver in Sept. But based on the 2 shows I saw, Caroline or Change was the clear winner for me. As far as scores go, I love Wicked and have seen it twice. Caroline's score was nothing short of brilliant. I didn't start listening to "Taboo" until a year after it closed and looking back, would not have been upset had it won Best Score. And I will be honest, I did not care for the way Q campaigned for the Tonys and how the majority of voters "fell for it". I walked past the theatre that year and just stood there and shook my head. At that point, I decided that I definetly would never see the show. But over the past 4 years, even though I still do not like the score or what I have seen, I decided that I may see it so I can judge the show as a whole and not just the snippets I have seen or heard. I honestly thought that Caroline or Wicked would be the winner that year. In my opinion, Wicked is a big show and a lot of fun. I had no problems with the score and am actually on my second copy of the CD. I saw it a second time on tour and didn't enjoy it as much. Mostly because of the scaled down set and some changed blocking/staging. But I will say that Caroline is tied with Sweeney for my favorite musical and I really think it should have won. I also would have been fine with Pinkins or Chenoweth taking Best Actress. Menzel was wonderful, but not my favorite out of the performances I was able to see. Just my random thoughts.

[TooDarnHot]

Posted: 6/4/08 at 12:18pm

Jackson - the songs ARE the score.

you said.. "Avenue Q songs are cute whereas the songs from Wicked are dramatic"

perhaps SOME of the songs have a dramatic tone (what about Popular, What Is This Feeling, Dancing Through Life, One Short Day, Wonderful, For Good?) but the score/music/songs are not just classified as "dramatic". They are pop. They are contemporary.

AVENUE Q is not. It's more traditional musical comedy. But that doesn't effect the quality. A pop score could be an awful score. The WICKED score/music/songs are extrmely overrated, sweetie.

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 6/4/08 at 1:37pm

"Avenue Q" is a fun, cute little show, but may I remind you, it is a spoof on "Sesame Street".

You've never actually seen Avenue Q, have you?

[jackson992]

Posted: 6/4/08 at 4:12pm

I love the music from both shows but I would much rather sing songs from Wicked. I'm not sure what you meant by posting that list as Popular is a comedy song and For Good is a serious song. Prolly my favorite song in the show too. The only exception for me that I love singing in Avenue Q is There's a Fine Fine Line. Absolutely gorgeous song.

[SirNotAppearing]

Posted: 6/4/08 at 4:26pm

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[me2]

Posted: 6/4/08 at 7:55pm

I have not seen AVENUE Q, but I have heard selections from the score. I have seen WICKED and love the album.

I think AVENUE Q won because it did something unique and different. It's not my cup of tea, but there is a lot of talent and originality there (not to mention heart).
Broadway Mouth: Sitcom to Stage Adaptations: Good Luck on That

[ragg_ballad]

Posted: 6/4/08 at 8:26pm

For about 3 years I've thought Wicked was a great show and unfairly lost to Ave. Q..until I saw Avenue Q this Monday. The score/songs, as many people have said, are a lot deeper than Wicked's. Avenue Q's are a lot more catchy and have meaning to them. Wicked has a couple catchy songs, like Popular, but if you think about it, the lyrics and attempts to rhyme are pretty...bad[for lack of a better word]. Most of the people Ive talked to said that they could see the words coming even when they've never heard the music before . The overall production of Wicked also leaves you wanting more, because after all the hype, you're probably expecting a spectacle. I loved Wicked for a while, but when I actually saw it, I realized that this show, even though it's a decent show, should've not won, and Avenue did deserve to win. The music from Avenue Q is thoughtful, edgy, clever, and plain out hilarious. The overall production is also better than Wicked's. Lighting-wise, even though Wicked is supposed to be a big flashy show, the lights in Avenue Q are actually a little better, IMO. I don't know if they've changed since 2004, but when I saw it a couple of days ago, I was amazed at how amazing the lighting in a show like Avenue Q could be. Now, there are times when Wicked has pretty cool lighting, like during Defying Gravity or No Good Deed, but otherwise it's not that "exciting."

*This is just my opinion as to why. lol.

[givesmevoice]

Posted: 6/4/08 at 8:35pm

how did Into the Woods lose Best Musical to a really bloated musical with about 2 original melody lines?

[SporkGoddess]

Posted: 6/4/08 at 8:42pm

"For Good" was written for high school graduations. Let's face it.

[LittlexFallxOfxRain]

Posted: 6/4/08 at 9:07pm

Avenue Q is an overall better musical. Wicked is a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful show. It's hard to compare two shows that are so different. But in general, I'd pick the puppets.

I also really hate the crazy fan-girls that obsess about Wicked. Not that that would change which show won the Tony.

[uncageg]

Posted: 6/4/08 at 9:16pm

Those comparing Ave. Q and Wicked...did you by any chance see Caroline or Change or Boy From Oz?

[musicaltheatrefan3]

Posted: 6/4/08 at 9:20pm

I saw "Boy from Oz". I liked "Wicked" better, but I still liked "Boy from Oz" a lot. If the Tonys had 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th place, if I was a voter I would put it as

1. Wicked
2. The Boy from Oz
3. Caroline or Change
4. Avenue Q

[TooDarnHot]

Posted: 6/4/08 at 9:48pm

SHUT UP!

[jackson992]

Posted: 6/5/08 at 1:23am

I also enjoyed Boy From Oz. I hated Caroline Or Change with a passion tho. It can't even compare with Wicked and Avenue Q