How did "Wicked" lose Best Musical to a show about puppets?- Page 3

[ljay889]

Posted: 6/3/08 at 12:34am

I can't believe we are STILL discussing this FOUR years later.

[verynewyorkcurious]

Posted: 6/3/08 at 12:35am

I can't believe people are actually responding. Yeah I definitely have better **** to do.

[ray-andallthatjazz86]

Posted: 6/3/08 at 12:36am

Lol, LJay, did you miss the thread about Mary Martin v. Ethel Merman? Then again, that race was A LOT more interesting and it was a great thread...this one, not so much.

[jackson992]

Posted: 6/3/08 at 12:58am

All of the songs are great in Wicked. Having said that, I also love most of the songs in Avenue Q. Both of these shows deserved it IMO.

[Liverpool]

Posted: 6/3/08 at 1:02am

All of the songs are great in Wicked. Having said that, I also love most of the songs in Avenue Q. Both of these shows deserved it IMO.

Have you ever ACTUALLY HEARD OR SEEN Something Bad performed?

[jackson992]

Posted: 6/3/08 at 1:28am

Yes I do not think it is bad at all. Not my favorite song tho. That would have to be the one near the end of the show.

[ljay889]

Posted: 6/3/08 at 1:37am

Liverpool. Jackson992 has also said that "A Little Night Music" is a TERRIBLE score.

[jackson992]

Posted: 6/3/08 at 1:37am

along with Follies and Company:)

[TooDarnHot]

Posted: 6/3/08 at 1:47am

you're an idiot.

and I don't care if you are entitled to your own opinions... so am I.

you love trashy garbage like "Frankenstein" (the off-bway one) and "Grease" but think "Follies" and "Company" have bad scores.

you actually are a dumbass idiot. and that's my opinion. and I will voice it.

[ljay889]

Posted: 6/3/08 at 1:49am

LOL, TooDarnHot.

I am still convinced the 92 in his username stands for his year of birth.

[Mealz1042]

Posted: 6/3/08 at 1:52am

how could a witty show about the struggles of young adult life, that spoofs an iconic children's television show NOT beat a sugary over the top adaptation of a dark novel that attempts to prologue a monumental story, which mind you has a very unmemorable score?

that is the question

[A Fleur De Toi]

Posted: 6/3/08 at 1:59am

hey hey you guys, enough with the ad hominem attacks, its getting juvenile.

musical theatre should unite and not divide.

[Not Barker, Todd.]

Posted: 6/3/08 at 2:04am

I say we unite and divide Wicked.

[jackson992]

Posted: 6/3/08 at 2:21am

Not my fault you have no taste TooDarnHot. How anyone could not like Frankenstein is beyond me. That's like not liking Dracula or Jekyll and Hyde.

[TooDarnHot]

Posted: 6/3/08 at 2:26am

I'm not sure if you're a sock puppet or just trying to act like one (the kind that love every single terrible show) to get some attention. If so, quit it. It's getting old.

However... if it is who you TRULY are, then keep going. I get scolded by many on this board to stop with the insults and bitter behavior but it's who I am darling. I stop for no one. Including Wicked_Beast4 and SebastianTwin.

There's really no point to interact with you though. No matter what, you'll still be the same 6 year old deaf & dumb jackass that I loathe.

[A Director]

Posted: 6/3/08 at 2:40am

Avenue Q is NOT a show about puppets. It's a show in which some of the characters are played by puppets. It's a better all around show than Wicked. Just because Wicked might or will make more many than Avenue Q does not mean Wicked is the better show. Many awful shows make money.

[A Fleur De Toi]

Posted: 6/3/08 at 2:48am

maybe wicked isnt that bad, it just got too popular.

hence, it is perhaps unjustifiable and unconceivable that for a mediocre musical to churn in broadway box office bursting grosses week in and week out. I'm thinking some of you guys find it within yourselves to dislike wicked because of this. the trenchant symbol of broadway being disneyfied?

cmon, dont hate wicked because its popular. if it appeals to the younger generation, what so bad in that? It isnt an altogether awful show, it aint. Newsflash: musical theatre CAN be for the hoi polloi.

[jackson992]

Posted: 6/3/08 at 3:12am

I'm not insulted by your comments at all TooDarnHot. It's just obvious you have no hearing. You prolly think Sondheim is better than ALW too ROFL

[dramarama2]

Posted: 6/3/08 at 4:04am

I like wicked, but Ave Q is BY FAR a better show.

[CATSNYrevival]

Posted: 6/3/08 at 4:33am

Hoi polloi. Ugh. It wasn't clever when Shwartz used it and it's not clever now either.

[A Fleur De Toi]

Posted: 6/3/08 at 5:41am

"Hoi polloi. Ugh. It wasn't clever when Shwartz used it and it's not clever now either."

Ugh. So sorry I happened to use the same phrase as Schwartz and got denounced as a clever smart ass. So sorry that all wicked defenders on this board must certainly be tweens whose obsession with wicked is condicio sine qua non of their poor poor existence,must absolutely quote schwartz in defense of wicked at every opportunity! so sorry that age is a factor in dictating how good one's taste in musicals is.

so sorry that because of so many stick-shoved-up-ass individuals, musical theatre has been and continues to be inaccessible to many. Guess i better be going back to my more popular showtunes then.

[YankeeMate]

Posted: 6/3/08 at 5:54am

Isn't Doctor Dillamond and the monkeys essentially people in puppet costumes?

At least in AQ the actor's facial expressions can be seen.

[EdmundOG]

Posted: 6/3/08 at 7:54am

True. And even the puppets have more expressiveness than the masked actors in Wicked.

[figaroindy]

Posted: 6/3/08 at 8:14am

I think it was said pretty clearly above - 'Wicked' is a spectacle, visually, pure and simple. Therefore, it won the visual awards (set, costumes, whatever). However, most of its characters don't grow during the show (they just sing a loud power ballad ABOUT growing). Avenue Q was a character driven show (actually about young adults fresh out of college, not puppets....), where ALL the characters grew/changed at some point in the show. The book was superior to Wicked's, and the music had a broader range than a collection of teenager power belt songs. (which are Schwartz' specialty, to be sure)

All in all I'd say the voters got it right. And, I'm sure the producers of "Wicked," in the face of their weekly box office amounts, have managed to drop their hurt feelings that it didn't win the Tony - perhaps the "I've seen it 42 times" fans should do the same 4 years later.

I saw both (actually saw Wicked in previews in San Francisco and Avenue Q in NYC a year later) - let's just say, even with Idina and Kristin (who I love), I fell asleep for most of act I. I've now seen Wicked twice (managed to stay awake the second time) and Avenue Q twice - and I still prefer Avenue Q. I've never fallen asleep in that one!

[puppetman2]

Posted: 6/3/08 at 11:27am

As a professional puppeteer, I have to state that the puppetry in AVE Q is brilliant. It borders on the ancient Japanese Bunraku where the puppeteers are also seen in full view. Someone who has never worked a puppet can not know how difficult it is to do the puppets and be brilliant as a singer/actor at the same time.
The concept of AVE Q - the writing and production - all are exceptional and it is obvious the Tony voters recognized this.
It is a ground breaking show.