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#1

Into the Woods lyric

Posted: 8/9/05 at 10:53pm

Ever notice this before? I just did about 10 minutes ago lol

In the show "Into the Woods" Cinderella's Prince and the Wolf (both played by the same actor) both say the line "one would be so boring"

in one situation the wolf is trying to eat little red riding hood, or, metaphorically,(in my interpretation of it) rape her.

(from "Hello, Little Girl)

LRRH:
Mother said,
"Come what may,
Follow the path
And never stray."

WOLF:
Just so, little girl-
Any path.
So many worth exploring.
Just one would be so boring.
And look what you're ignoring..."

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and in the other, Cinderella's Prince is trying to persuade the Baker's wife to have sex with him

CINDERELLA'S PRINCE:
Days are made of moments,
All are worth exploring.
Many kinds of moments-
None is worth ignoring.
All we have are moments,
Memories for storing.
One would be so boring

BAKER'S WIFE
But this is not right!

CINDERELLA'S PRINCE
Right and wrong don't matter in the woods,
Only feelings.
Let us meet the moment unblushed."
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interesting, no?
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#2

re: Into the Woods lyric

Posted: 8/9/05 at 10:54pm

That's the genius of Sondheim for you. I believe there are a few other such parallels in INTO THE WOODS.
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#3

re: Into the Woods lyric

Posted: 8/9/05 at 10:56pm

Well, they both are have pretty much the same melody, and maybe Sondheim needed something that rhymed with "storing"
#4

re: Into the Woods lyric

Posted: 8/9/05 at 11:00pm

"That's the genius of Sondheim for you. I believe there are a few other such parallels in INTO THE WOODS."

God, I love it. Do you remember the other parallels? I'd really like to know them.
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#6

re: Into the Woods lyric

Posted: 8/9/05 at 11:04pm

It's not laziness. Originally, those roles were written for the same actor. The Act Two lyrics is drawing a parallel to the Act One lyric and showing that the Prince is still just a wolf.
"How do you like THAT 'misanthropic panache,' Mr. Goldstone?" - PalJoey
#7

re: Into the Woods lyric

Posted: 8/9/05 at 11:05pm

I can't recall any parallels right now (however, I just had a martini), but what has always fascinated me about INTO THE WOODS is that all the songs are set up as lessons. Most of the songs have the lyric, "I know things now" or "Now I understand," or something to that effect. The characters come out at the end of the song having learned something that changes their outlook on life.
BlueWizard's blog: The Rambling Corner HEDWIG: "The road is my home. In reflecting upon the people whom I have come upon in my travels, I cannot help but think of the people who have come upon me."
#9

re: Into the Woods lyric

Posted: 8/9/05 at 11:08pm

Let us all bow down to our wolf overlords
"How do you like THAT 'misanthropic panache,' Mr. Goldstone?" - PalJoey
#11

re: Into the Woods lyric

Posted: 8/9/05 at 11:16pm

Oh, howl I'll show 'em
"How do you like THAT 'misanthropic panache,' Mr. Goldstone?" - PalJoey
#13

re: Into the Woods lyric

Posted: 8/9/05 at 11:25pm

actually that second lyric sung by the Prince isn't really in the show. It was created to make a more complete song for the Moments in the Woods sequence. As brilliant as it is, it isn't in the stage version.
#14

re: Into the Woods lyric

Posted: 8/9/05 at 11:33pm

re: Into the Woods lyric


"How do you like THAT 'misanthropic panache,' Mr. Goldstone?" - PalJoey

Updated On: 8/9/05 at 11:33 PM

#15

re: Into the Woods lyric

Posted: 8/9/05 at 11:40pm

jazzysuite is right. I'm listening to the revival right now and no where in the song is that line. weird. Where did you get those lyrics then?
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#16

re: Into the Woods lyric

Posted: 8/9/05 at 11:41pm

They're on the OCR. Several on the songs have more lyrics.
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#17

re: Into the Woods lyric

Posted: 8/9/05 at 11:41pm

Cinderella's Prince and the Wolf were originally played by the same actor. The two characters fit together in that they both represent raw male sexuality. Hello Little Girl and Any Moment both have a male seducing a female, and so the two songs are tied by the line "One would be so boring". Both female characters have a song of realization following the seduction.
#19

re: Into the Woods lyric

Posted: 8/9/05 at 11:46pm

There's also lots of musical connections. The first five notes in Rapunzel's song are the same notes played when the Baker hands over the beans to Jack. Also, they are the notes of "Don't you know what's out..." in "Stay With Me." They probably crop up some other places, too.
#20

re: Into the Woods lyric

Posted: 8/9/05 at 11:49pm

Yeah that's called developing musical themes to create a cohesive, cogent score that doesn't fall apart at the seams.
#21

re: Into the Woods lyric

Posted: 8/9/05 at 11:50pm

The show is full of them.

The biggest is the recurring five-note motif that starts the show. It's Rapunzel's repetitive song, you hear it when the Baker gives Jack the beans, it's worked into the Witch's songs, both versions of "Agony," "Your Fault," "Giants in the Sky," "I Know Things Now," "Steps at the Palace" and I'm sure some other spots, too.

The other is the "sensitive, clever, well-mannered, considerate" that the prince sings about himself in "Agony." The Baker's Wife repeats the phrase and notes in "It Takes Two." She also asks the same line about the Prince in "He's a Very Nice Prince" in the OBCR, but that line was cut when the song was shortened, just like the "one would be so boring" line.

I know there are others. They'll come to me later.
#22

re: Into the Woods lyric

Posted: 8/9/05 at 11:51pm

Haha Kringas.

That took a little - but I got it.

Yay. I was pleased with myself. Glad you got it. re: Into the Woods lyric
"How do you like THAT 'misanthropic panache,' Mr. Goldstone?" - PalJoey
#24

re: Into the Woods lyric

Posted: 8/10/05 at 7:29am

AND NOW... THE SECRET OF THE "BEAN MOTIF"

...the five-note theme that recurs throughout ITW.

Calvin listed most of the places it is heard - but here is a secret revealed by Sondheim:

The phrase "people make mistakes" in NO ONE IS ALONE is the "bean theme" turned "upside down"! To explain:

Let's say the "bean theme" starts on "C". The second note is down a fifth to F. The next note is up a step to G. Next is down a third to E. Finally, you go down a step to D.

If you start "children make mistakes" on C, you go UP a fifth to G, then DOWN a step to F, then UP a third to A, finally UP a step to F.

In other words, the intervals are the same, just in the opposite diection.

And that's why Sondheim is a genius!
#25

re: Into the Woods lyric

Posted: 8/10/05 at 7:40am

Well done Kringas, you deserve the proverbial 'pat on the back' for that. I can't understand why several of the people were participating in the conversation, when they didn't understand what the heck was being discussed.

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