Oh come on. There are a lot of completely valid reasons a person could have for supporting the Republican party in spite of their stance on social issues. To demonize her because of which candidates she supports, and to assume that she embraces all of those candidates' views, is just patently absurd.
“Oh come on. There are a lot of completely valid reasons a person could have for supporting the Republican party in spite of their stance on social issues.“
It doesn't matter if she doesn't personally agree with them on social issues. She's still supporting and enabling them. Whatever her reasons for these contributions are, they're going towards oppression, hate, and fascism. There's no excuse.
I have no desire to tell other people what to do - spend your time and money how you wish - but I will no longer be supporting any project that she is part of. She's shown that she doesn't care about the community she's part of and I have lost my respect for a performer who I previously admired.
Look - if this is her (I don’t think it’s been proven yet it’s the same McPhee, has it?) I can’t see her ever working in theater again. It’s like the woman who was fired from “Sister Act” for a being anti-gay. You can believe and contribute to anything you want but once it becomes public you have to live with the consequences of your actions and beliefs. And supporting people who work non stop to make life hell for your co-workers and the people paying to see you just ain’t gonna fly on Broadway anymore.
I remember when Prop 8 passed there were a few vocally conservative and proudly Mormon people defending the Mormon involvement in supporting Prop 8 and it leading to some very awkward and tense situations in some companies... so... yeah.
DiscoCrows said: "Saywhat you want about the GOP (personally I swing far-left/liberal anyways so for me this is a huge nono) but I think respecting people's rights to support, financially or otherwise,the political party of their choice is a fraction of what makes our democracy work."
I fully support her right to donate to any party she chooses, but I also have the right to conclude that she is human scum for doing so.
Kat McPhee has never impressed me as someone who is particularly engaged with issues that are not Kat McPhee, so I have no expectations of her regarding any important social issues of the day. She married a rich old dude who is a Trump supporter, and he probably said, "Hey, do you mind if I max out donations to Trump in your name?", and she probably looked over at him, shrugged her shoulders, and said, "Sure, why not?" and then went back to painting her toenails. I don't think she is one of those people who is fully committed to the Trump agenda. I just think she is too shallow to care.
I am no supporter of the current administration, but if we are going to tarnish someone's name for potentially being a Trump supporter, then I believe we are setting a dangerous precedent for the world in which we live.
Kat McPhee has never impressed me as someone who is particularly engaged with issues that are not Kat McPhee, so I have no expectations of her regarding any important social issues of the day. She married a rich old dude who is a Trump supporter, and he probably said, "Hey, do you mind if I max out donations to Trump in your name?", and she probably looked over at him, shrugged her shoulders, and said, "Sure, why not?" and then went back to painting her toenails. I don't think she is one of those people who is fully committed to the Trump agenda. I just think she is too shallow to care.
100% agree on everything you just said. She strikes me as a sweet but simple woman.
singerunlimited said: "I am no supporter of the current administration, but if we are going to tarnish someone's name for potentially being a Trump supporter, then I believe we are setting a dangerous precedent for the world in which we live."
Trump supporter or not, supporting an organization that will eventually support trump is a worse kind of precedent. <<edited by BWW staff>> If she doesn’t want to acknowledge the rights of her fellow performers she shouldn’t be able to perform alongside them again.
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Call_me_jorge said: "singerunlimited said: "I am no supporter of the current administration, but if we are going to tarnish someone's name for potentially being a Trump supporter, then I believe we are setting a dangerous precedent for the world in which we live."
Trump supporter or not, supporting an organization that will eventually support trump is a worse kind of precedent. <>If she doesn’t want to acknowledge the rights of her fellow performers she shouldn’t be able to perform alongside them again."
What rights of her fellow performers are you talking about that she doesn’t acknowledge? Be specific.
SeanD2 said: "Oh come on. There are a lot of completely valid reasons a person could have for supporting the Republican party in spite of their stance on social issues. To demonize her because of which candidates she supports, and to assume that she embraces all of those candidates' views, is just patently absurd."
Well I can’t personally agree that there are many valid reasons to support the Republican Party, which I find to be a laughing stock of the western world. Ridiculous that an extreme far-right Christian theocratic party and associated people get so much support on what is meant to be the most powerful country on earth.
That said, I always find it icky that American woke culture wants to put people out of work for participating in the democratic process. How is this not a little ‘fascist’?
"You can't overrate Bernadette Peters. She is such a genius. There's a moment in "Too Many Mornings" and Bernadette doing 'I wore green the last time' - It's a voice that is just already given up - it is so sorrowful. Tragic. You can see from that moment the show is going to be headed into such dark territory and it hinges on this tiny throwaway moment of the voice." - Ben Brantley (2022)
"Bernadette's whole, stunning performance [as Rose in Gypsy] galvanized the actors capable of letting loose with her. Bernadette's Rose did take its rightful place, but too late, and unseen by too many who should have seen it" Arthur Laurents (2009)
"Sondheim's own favorite star performances? [Bernadette] Peters in ''Sunday in the Park,'' Lansbury in ''Sweeney Todd'' and ''obviously, Ethel was thrilling in 'Gypsy.'' Nytimes, 2000
But, why are people going around looking up records of donations and political parties (Laura Osnes and another star)? It's literally none of our business.
qolbinau said: "That said, I always find it icky that American woke culture wants to put people out of work for participating in the democratic process. How is this not a little ‘fascist’?"
Thank you, qolbinau!!! I guess it's easier for me to accept other views because I was raised by conservative parents or I'm a moderate, leaning on liberal, but honestly, as long as their personal views aren't homophobic, racist, or anything like Trump's, then why does it matter if they're Republican? Unless they say something, it isn't us to judge. I'm just tired of this huge left, mob culture.
Also, keep in mind that not all Republicans will vote for Trump. During the last election, I was registered as a Republican (I'm Democrat now) and still voted for Clinton. So, we don't know who is voting for who, well except for Kat obviously.
But, why are people going around looking up records of donations and political parties(Laura Osnes and another star)? It's literally none of our business.
qolbinau said: "That said, I always find it icky that American woke culture wants to put people out of work for participating in the democratic process. How is this not a little ‘fascist’?"
Thank you,qolbinau!!! I guess it's easier for me to accept other viewsbecause I was raised by conservative parents or I'm a moderate, leaning on liberal, but honestly, as long as their personal views aren't homophobic, racist, or anything like Trump's, then why does it matter if they're Republican? Unless they say something, it isn't us to judge. I'm just tired of this huge left, mob culture.
Also, keep in mind that not all Republicans will vote for Trump. During the last election, I was registered as a Republican (I'm Democrat now) and still voted for Clinton. So, we don't know who is voting for who, well except for Kat obviously."
disneybroadwayfan22 and qolbinau - this is so well stated! You both summed up my feelings better than I could! I truly believe the implications of intentionally seeking out someone's political donation history and using that information to smear someone's name and reputation is incredibly dangerous. It scarily echoes McCarthyism, especially since (as you stated) someone's voter registration does not automatically equal a vote for that party.
Y'all this is all public record, plus she's married to Trump supporter David Foster, you don't exactly have to be a genius to figure it out. Plus, the GOP has become the party of Trump, if you are giving them money, you are helping them fund his campaign. So much is at stake right now, and if you are helping this fascist choke this country for another 4 years, I'd like to not give you any support in the future
qolbinau said: "SeanD2 said: "Oh come on. There are a lot of completely valid reasons a person could have for supporting the Republican party in spite of their stance on social issues. To demonize her because of which candidates she supports, and to assume that she embraces all of those candidates' views, is just patently absurd."
Well I can’t personally agree that there are many valid reasons to support the Republican Party, which I find to be a laughing stock of the western world. Ridiculous that an extreme far-right Christian theocratic party and associated peopleget so much support on what is meant to be the most powerful country on earth.
That said, I always find it icky that American woke culture wants to put people out of work for participating in the democratic process. How is this not a little‘fascist’?"
Use the term "woke" pejoratively as much as you want, but do NOT play that Republican game of words. Calling those who fight against (or merely complain about) potential fascists "fascists" is right from the Trump/Republican playbook and it's disgusting.
To compare wanting to put republicans out of work to mccarthyism is laughable. McCarthy would try to take down people who supported the civil rights movement. Not people who fought against it.
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Owen22 said: "qolbinau said: "SeanD2 said: "Oh come on. There are a lot of completely valid reasons a person could have for supporting the Republican party in spite of their stance on social issues. To demonize her because of which candidates she supports, and to assume that she embraces all of those candidates' views, is just patently absurd."
Well I can’t personally agree that there are many valid reasons to support the Republican Party, which I find to be a laughing stock of the western world. Ridiculous that an extreme far-right Christian theocratic party and associated peopleget so much support on what is meant to be the most powerful country on earth.
That said, I always find it icky that American woke culture wants to put people out of work for participating in the democratic process. How is this not a little‘fascist’?"
Use the term "woke" pejoratively as much as you want, but do NOT play that Republican game of words. Calling those who fight against (or merely complain about) potential fascists "fascists" is right from the Trump/Republican playbook and it's disgusting."
You can’t just flippantly and disingenuously say that I think people who fight against or complain about fascism are fascists. That is a complete misrepresentation of the issue here. Of course people need to keep complaining about the awful Republican Party and associated people (I also would say that about much of the Democratic Party at this level of government too, which until Bernie Sanders in 2016 was surprisingly conservative and right-wing based on world standards).
The issue is that some people in this thread think that Katherine McPhee should never work again on Broadway for participating in the democratic process. This seems obscene and I think it’s not a culture we should encourage - the idea that people should have their career ruined based on participating in a democracy seems a little dangerously fascist. I don’t know why we would want to normalise this especially because it can work both ways and it seems like we are setting up a culture that will fail ourselves in the long-term if we can lose our careers based on political participation, for example, in our case holding progressive attitudes and voting or donating to progressive parties*.
I honestly wonder if woke culture does more harm than good for the progressive cause sometimes. Thankfully I would say this issue is mainly confined to the USA but sadly because of the USA’s world influence I can see it trickling elsewhere, slowly
* I’m sure it’s already a scattered issue.
"You can't overrate Bernadette Peters. She is such a genius. There's a moment in "Too Many Mornings" and Bernadette doing 'I wore green the last time' - It's a voice that is just already given up - it is so sorrowful. Tragic. You can see from that moment the show is going to be headed into such dark territory and it hinges on this tiny throwaway moment of the voice." - Ben Brantley (2022)
"Bernadette's whole, stunning performance [as Rose in Gypsy] galvanized the actors capable of letting loose with her. Bernadette's Rose did take its rightful place, but too late, and unseen by too many who should have seen it" Arthur Laurents (2009)
"Sondheim's own favorite star performances? [Bernadette] Peters in ''Sunday in the Park,'' Lansbury in ''Sweeney Todd'' and ''obviously, Ethel was thrilling in 'Gypsy.'' Nytimes, 2000
wow, this thread is scary and adds fuel to the fire that the left is actually less tolerant than the right these days. Suggesting people be fired or not employed in a whole industry because of political beliefs is a very dangerous precedent. In every walk of life you have to work alongside people with different beliefs and generally politics doesnt come up in daily life. Imagine if a Republican white collar area refused to employ any Democrats in factors (for example), there would be uproar.
I get the difficulty of the situation, and she would have to face those that she is effectively voting against. But to just ban something or someone because you disagree?!
There is so much hate in America now, from BOTH sides, and people are actively searching for reasons to fan the flames of that hate. No matter who wins in November I dont think that will change because neither side listens to the other and cant possibly consider anothers point of view.