Posted: 5/30/25 at 11:53pm
Can we finally admit that Patti Lupine cannot sing?! She just yells and drones on, sings directly through her nose. You can’t understand her. It’s always been attitude in place of talent. Let’s stop pretending.
Posted: 5/31/25 at 12:03am
Who is “we”? Like - you want everyone to agree with you? LOL
Patti’s tact is questionable at best. Her talent is another thing entirely and if you don’t like it, then pop off, but that doesn’t mean you can expect everyone else to agree with you…
Also Audra was always going to win for Porgy and Bess. And she deserved to. Period.
She does not deserve it this year.
We are now entering the truly nonsensical / tin foil hat era of this thread. Which is wild, considering I thought we already lived through that yesterday.
Updated On: 5/31/25 at 12:03 AM
Posted: 5/31/25 at 12:35am
She already has a wild amount. For better performances. She doesn’t deserve one for this subpar production and performance.
Subpar performance? I don’t understand the hate for Audra’s performance on this board? Julianne Marguilles gave a subpar performance this year. Audra?? I just don’t get how people can say that.
I was blown away by her. But I don’t see 50 shows a year so maybe I just don’t have taste?
Posted: 5/31/25 at 12:57am
MemorableUserName said: "DrMonicaDeMoneco said: "Hahahahahhahaa this thread is on fire!
have we touched on several actors wanting lupone to be disinvited from the Tony’s?
https://playbill.com/article/over-500-broadway-artists-release-open-letter-reprimanding-patti-lupone"
4-5 pages ago."
Sorry! I can’t keep up with this wild thread!!!
Posted: 5/31/25 at 1:09am
It's wild how people keep stating as fact their opinions, and then taking umbrage in people having different opinions.
You do know not everyone did or will agree on Patti or Audra's Rose, right?
And it's irrelevant to this anyway.
Posted: 5/31/25 at 1:13am
TasteOfHoney said: "iluvtheatertrash said: "TasteOfHoney said: "Ensemble1698878795 said: "Ke3 said: "binau said: "I actually wish Audra would step in and try to calm it all down. She is likely the only person people will listen to. Audra, if as you claimed there is no rift between you and Patti surely you don’t want to watch your friend be destroyed for her imperfections. If you are Patti’s friend as you suggested I think she could use the help."
Why would it be Audra's responsibility to "calm it all down?" She isn't the one who caused the storm!
It's mind blowing to me that this is now turning on her as if she's the one who couldn't hold her tongue in an interview.At the beginning of this thread it was "Patti's just Patti" but now Audra should step in and "save" Patti from Patti? You guys really don't get how that sounds. By the admission of half the people in this thread Patti doesn't need saving."
It’s Audra responsibility because Patti has apparently been absolved of all accountability. She gets a pass bc that’s just who she is. It’s actually who you know her to be, but you don’t know that she may carry racist tendencies bc you’re not around her all the time. We know her by her words.
People always expectBlack women to take the high road and cater to white women’s mistakes. Not this time, babies. Your old white racist Aunty isn’t getting pass and regardless if she’s booked or not, her reputation as a human is TRASH. Trust me, this will color how she’s perceived. Her mouth and carelessness will make producers second guess her employment. She now comes with baggage she created and producers don’t like drama that’s not on the stage. Her mouth and attitude havemade her a liability."
The only racist is Ms Lewis - who assumed complaining about a sound issue is racist , Lupone does not have to tolerate being called a racist over a sound issue at a theater which practically shares walls. Kecia is literally the racist in this incident and nobody has to tolerate her bigoted garbage in a professional environment. Lupone should due her for character assassination, defamation of character- I would if I was in get position . Racism should never be accepted from anyone. Kecia Lewis is a total bigot , let’s be real"
she is “literally” not a racist. If you want to discuss prejudice, that is one thing. Racism is another. Please educate yourself even a little bit, ffs
"
Ok fair enough Ms Lewis has a preconceived notion which is not based on reason - I agree , that is the definition of prejudice. The Broadway world should demand Lewis check her prejudice and apologize"
She should apologize to a white woman who called her bitch because….? Honey, please keep talking, the lack of education is proving itself. You’re not even worth a debate.
Posted: 5/31/25 at 1:34am
Ensemble1698878795 said: "TasteOfHoney said: "iluvtheatertrash said: "TasteOfHoney said: "Ensemble1698878795 said: "Ke3 said: "binau said: "I actually wish Audra would step in and try to calm it all down. She is likely the only person people will listen to. Audra, if as you claimed there is no rift between you and Patti surely you don’t want to watch your friend be destroyed for her imperfections. If you are Patti’s friend as you suggested I think she could use the help."
Why would it be Audra's responsibility to "calm it all down?" She isn't the one who caused the storm!
It's mind blowing to me that this is now turning on her as if she's the one who couldn't hold her tongue in an interview.At the beginning of this thread it was "Patti's just Patti" but now Audra should step in and "save" Patti from Patti? You guys really don't get how that sounds. By the admission of half the people in this thread Patti doesn't need saving."
It’s Audra responsibility because Patti has apparently been absolved of all accountability. She gets a pass bc that’s just who she is. It’s actually who you know her to be, but you don’t know that she may carry racist tendencies bc you’re not around her all the time. We know her by her words.
People always expectBlack women to take the high road and cater to white women’s mistakes. Not this time, babies. Your old white racist Aunty isn’t getting pass and regardless if she’s booked or not, her reputation as a human is TRASH. Trust me, this will color how she’s perceived. Her mouth and carelessness will make producers second guess her employment. She now comes with baggage she created and producers don’t like drama that’s not on the stage. Her mouth and attitude havemade her a liability."
The only racist is Ms Lewis - who assumed complaining about a sound issue is racist , Lupone does not have to tolerate being called a racist over a sound issue at a theater which practically shares walls. Kecia is literally the racist in this incident and nobody has to tolerate her bigoted garbage in a professional environment. Lupone should due her for character assassination, defamation of character- I would if I was in get position . Racism should never be accepted from anyone. Kecia Lewis is a total bigot , let’s be real"
she is “literally” not a racist. If you want to discuss prejudice, that is one thing. Racism is another. Please educate yourself even a little bit, ffs
"
Ok fair enough Ms Lewis has a preconceived notion which is not based on reason - I agree , that is the definition of prejudice. The Broadway world should demand Lewis check her prejudice and apologize"
She should apologize to a white woman who called her bitch because….? Honey,please keep talking, the lack of education is proving itself. You’re not even worth a debate."
Then why are responding ?
Lewis is not blameless and will have to live with that. She pretty much started the whole thing.
Posted: 5/31/25 at 4:49am
Once again we keep hearing this overly simplified idea that only certain groups can be racist. This is a distraction technique - yes it is true that in very specific academic contexts who need to define terms very carefully for their arguments that racism is a complex term that would also involve systemic components, but this is not how the term 'racism' is used in every day language which is used synonymously with prejudice. The reason that you want to use the term prejudice instead of racist is because you want to euphemise the behaviour when it is coming from groups that you want to excuse - but you would describe other people with prejudice as racist when it suits you and you wouldn't choose to euphemise it.
It's just so, so ugly to see what is actually racialised language in this thread ("Why should she apologise to a WHITE woman") - especially when Patti has NEVER once used racialised language in her life despite the claim by these 500 nobodies. I can really hear the hatred and prejudice in the posts trying to inflame this race war. Audra is better than this. Patti is better than this. I don't know if Kecia is better than this given she did essentially start this race war unfairly. This is chaos.
Posted: 5/31/25 at 8:57am
DanS3 said: "
She does not deserve it this year.
Says who?
"
Says me. It’s called an opinion.
And yes I found her performance subpar.
Describing Marguellis’ performance as “subpar” is far too generous.
I saw Gypsy three times to give Audra ample time to settle into the show and every single time, I was underwhelmed. I am a big Audra fan, but this performance did not do it for me. End of story. Get over it.
Posted: 5/31/25 at 9:03am
Whatever your feelings on this are, one thing is true. LuPone could have avoided this. On the diss about Audra in Gypsy, for example, she could have said something like “As a Tony voter, I’d rather not comment on specific performances”. Everyone would have clearly known exactly what she meant, but it would have shown a level of class and human decency that she clearly lacks. Instead she had to make a psssive-aggressive, b*tchy comeback.
Posted: 5/31/25 at 9:05am
She didn't make a passive aggressive, bitchy comeback. She said nothing about Audra's performance at all.
Posted: 5/31/25 at 9:07am
DanS3 said: "Whatever your feelings on this are, one thing is true. LuPone could have avoided this. On the diss about Audra in Gypsy, for example, she could have said something like “As a Tony voter, I’d rather not comment on specific performances”. Everyone would have clearly known exactly what she meant, but it would have shown a level of class and human decency that she clearly lacks. Instead she had to make a psssive-aggressive, b*tchy comeback."
I actually agree. Especially considering she’s had how many months to get over the (entirely unnecessary) Kecia video…? She reopened this can of worms with a sledgehammer.
Updated On: 5/31/25 at 09:07 AM
Posted: 5/31/25 at 9:08am
binau said: "Once again we keep hearing this overly simplified idea that only certain groups can be racist. This is a distraction technique - yes it is true that in very specific academic contexts who need to define terms very carefully for their arguments that racism is a complex term that would also involvesystemic components, but this is not how the term 'racism' is used in every day language which is used synonymously with prejudice. The reason that you want to use the term prejudice instead of racist is because you want to euphemisethe behaviour when it is coming from groups that you want to excuse - but you would describe other people with prejudice as racist when it suits you and you wouldn'tchoose to euphemise it.
It's just so, so ugly to see what is actually racialised language in this thread ("Why should she apologise to a WHITE woman") - especially whenPatti has NEVER once used racialised language in her life despite the claim by these 500 nobodies. I can really hear the hatred and prejudice in the posts trying to inflame this race war. Audra is better than this. Patti is better than this. I don't know if Kecia is better than this given she did essentially start this race war unfairly. This is chaos.
"
Chaos is your ability to blame a “race war” on a Black woman who merely spoke up for herself and her company. The Roommate is not the only play that’s shared a wall with HK. But it seems the only show to have a noise complaint - to our knowledge.
Patti gets to complain to the Shuberts, call Kecia a bitch and tell Audra “she should know better.” But Kecia speaking on social media is the beginning of the race war? This is the institutionalized white privilege people are complaining about, the mere idea that Patti isn’t at fault. Only if Kecia had stayed in her place as a woman of lower status and been quiet, but Patti doesn’t have to. That system of thought is unspoken, but always expected and people are calling the BS out - rightfully so.
Posted: 5/31/25 at 9:10am
MemorableUserName said: "She didn't make a passive aggressive, bitchy comeback. She said nothing about Audra's performance at all."
Oh c’mon lol. Whatever your thoughts on this whole thing are, we all know Patti and know exactly what was meant by what she said. Patti is a lot of things but subtle ain’t one of them.
Posted: 5/31/25 at 9:10am
Ensemble1698878795 said: "binau said: "Once again we keep hearing this overly simplified idea that only certain groups can be racist. This is a distraction technique - yes it is true that in very specific academic contexts who need to define terms very carefully for their arguments that racism is a complex term that would also involvesystemic components, but this is not how the term 'racism' is used in every day language which is used synonymously with prejudice. The reason that you want to use the term prejudice instead of racist is because you want to euphemisethe behaviour when it is coming from groups that you want to excuse - but you would describe other people with prejudice as racist when it suits you and you wouldn'tchoose to euphemise it.
It's just so, so ugly to see what is actually racialised language in this thread ("Why should she apologise to a WHITE woman") - especially whenPatti has NEVER once used racialised language in her life despite the claim by these 500 nobodies. I can really hear the hatred and prejudice in the posts trying to inflame this race war. Audra is better than this. Patti is better than this. I don't know if Kecia is better than this given she did essentially start this race war unfairly. This is chaos.
"
Chaos is your ability to blame a “race war” on a Black woman who merely spoke up for herself and her company.The Roommateis not the only play that’s shared a wall with HK. But it seems the only show to have a noise complaint - to our knowledge.
Patti gets to complain to the Shuberts, call Kecia a bitch and tell Audra “she should know better.” But Kecia speaking on social media is the beginning of the race war? This is theinstitutionalized white privilege people are complaining about, the mere idea that Patti isn’t at fault. Only if Kecia had stayed in her place as a woman of lower status and been quiet, but Patti doesn’t have to. That system of thought is unspoken, but always expected and people are calling the BS out - rightfully so.
"
Ain’t you tired, Miss Hilly?
Posted: 5/31/25 at 9:21am
Jordan Catalano said: "MemorableUserName said: "She didn't make a passive aggressive, bitchy comeback. She said nothing about Audra's performance at all."
Oh c’mon lol. Whatever your thoughts on this whole thing are, we all know Patti and know exactly what was meant by what she said. Patti is a lot of things but subtle ain’t one of them."
Which is why it was so remarkable that she said nothing, in a review where she held back nowhere else. She was asked about the performance, stared back silently for 15 seconds, then changed the subject when the interviewer said nothing. Inferring what she meant doesn't make that a comeback.
Posted: 5/31/25 at 9:26am
MemorableUserName said: "She didn't make a passive aggressive, bitchy comeback. She said nothing about Audra's performance at all."
Huh? When asked about it, she looked out the window for 15 seconds and then said “isn’t it a beautiful day”. That is the definition of passive-aggressive.. And it is bitchy,
Posted: 5/31/25 at 9:29am
She didn't look out the window for 15 seconds. Reading is fundamental.
"When I asked what she had thought of McDonald’s current production of “Gypsy,” she stared at me, in silence, for fifteen seconds. Then she turned to the window and sighed, “What a beautiful day.”"
The level of absurdity around this keeps getting greater. She says something about one actress: DISRESPECT! She doesn't say anything about another actress other than she's not a friend: DISRESPECT!
And according to this, the reviewer didn't specifically ask about Audra, but about Audra's production of Gypsy--the production, not her specifically!
Updated On: 5/31/25 at 09:29 AM
Posted: 5/31/25 at 9:33am
abcd12 said: "Ensemble1698878795 said: "binau said: "Once again we keep hearing this overly simplified idea that only certain groups can be racist. This is a distraction technique - yes it is true that in very specific academic contexts who need to define terms very carefully for their arguments that racism is a complex term that would also involvesystemic components, but this is not how the term 'racism' is used in every day language which is used synonymously with prejudice. The reason that you want to use the term prejudice instead of racist is because you want to euphemisethe behaviour when it is coming from groups that you want to excuse - but you would describe other people with prejudice as racist when it suits you and you wouldn'tchoose to euphemise it.
It's just so, so ugly to see what is actually racialised language in this thread ("Why should she apologise to a WHITE woman") - especially whenPatti has NEVER once used racialised language in her life despite the claim by these 500 nobodies. I can really hear the hatred and prejudice in the posts trying to inflame this race war. Audra is better than this. Patti is better than this. I don't know if Kecia is better than this given she did essentially start this race war unfairly. This is chaos.
"
Chaos is your ability to blame a “race war” on a Black woman who merely spoke up for herself and her company.The Roommateis not the only play that’s shared a wall with HK. But it seems the only show to have a noise complaint - to our knowledge.
Patti gets to complain to the Shuberts, call Kecia a bitch and tell Audra “she should know better.” But Kecia speaking on social media is the beginning of the race war? This is theinstitutionalized white privilege people are complaining about, the mere idea that Patti isn’t at fault. Only if Kecia had stayed in her place as a woman of lower status and been quiet, but Patti doesn’t have to. That system of thought is unspoken, but always expected and people are calling the BS out - rightfully so.
"
Ain’t you tired, Miss Hilly?"
Gaslighting. The go to white behavior on this thread.
Posted: 5/31/25 at 9:34am
Bette's Turban said: "Ensemble1698878795 said: "TasteOfHoney said: "iluvtheatertrash said: "TasteOfHoney said: "Ensemble1698878795 said: "Ke3 said: "binau said: "I actually wish Audra would step in and try to calm it all down. She is likely the only person people will listen to. Audra, if as you claimed there is no rift between you and Patti surely you don’t want to watch your friend be destroyed for her imperfections. If you are Patti’s friend as you suggested I think she could use the help."
Why would it be Audra's responsibility to "calm it all down?" She isn't the one who caused the storm!
It's mind blowing to me that this is now turning on her as if she's the one who couldn't hold her tongue in an interview.At the beginning of this thread it was "Patti's just Patti" but now Audra should step in and "save" Patti from Patti? You guys really don't get how that sounds. By the admission of half the people in this thread Patti doesn't need saving."
It’s Audra responsibility because Patti has apparently been absolved of all accountability. She gets a pass bc that’s just who she is. It’s actually who you know her to be, but you don’t know that she may carry racist tendencies bc you’re not around her all the time. We know her by her words.
People always expectBlack women to take the high road and cater to white women’s mistakes. Not this time, babies. Your old white racist Aunty isn’t getting pass and regardless if she’s booked or not, her reputation as a human is TRASH. Trust me, this will color how she’s perceived. Her mouth and carelessness will make producers second guess her employment. She now comes with baggage she created and producers don’t like drama that’s not on the stage. Her mouth and attitude havemade her a liability."
The only racist is Ms Lewis - who assumed complaining about a sound issue is racist , Lupone does not have to tolerate being called a racist over a sound issue at a theater which practically shares walls. Kecia is literally the racist in this incident and nobody has to tolerate her bigoted garbage in a professional environment. Lupone should due her for character assassination, defamation of character- I would if I was in get position . Racism should never be accepted from anyone. Kecia Lewis is a total bigot , let’s be real"
she is “literally” not a racist. If you want to discuss prejudice, that is one thing. Racism is another. Please educate yourself even a little bit, ffs
"
Ok fair enough Ms Lewis has a preconceived notion which is not based on reason - I agree , that is the definition of prejudice. The Broadway world should demand Lewis check her prejudice and apologize"
She should apologize to a white woman who called her bitch because….? Honey,please keep talking, the lack of education is proving itself. You’re not even worth a debate."
Then why are responding ?
Lewis is not blameless and will have to live with that. She pretty much started the whole thing. "
White delusion on aisle 3. White denial on aisle 4.
Posted: 5/31/25 at 9:38am
The only person on this thread who has been consistently making explicit derogatory comments about people’s race is you, babe.
Posted: 5/31/25 at 9:38am
MemorableUserName said: "She didn't look out the window for 15 seconds. Reading is fundamental.
"When I asked what she had thought of McDonald’s current production of “Gypsy,” she stared at me, in silence, for fifteen seconds. Then she turned to the window and sighed, “What a beautiful day.”"
The level of absurdity around this keeps getting greater. She says something about one actress: DISRESPECT! She doesn't say anything about another actress other than she's not a friend: DISRESPECT!"
Sorry you are right. I was wrong about when exactly she started out the window. Same difference though. Come on. You have to admit that she’s a bitch!? She is constantly saying stuff like this about other peers. She shouldn’t get a pass just because she’s a Broadway legend.
Posted: 5/31/25 at 9:43am
Can we go Back to Before?
Posted: 5/31/25 at 9:57am
Just checking in…
oooooh good, we’re on white denial, white behavior, white delusion!
this thread is absolutely mad! Mad!
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