LuPone on McDonald- Page 31

[Ensemble1698878795]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 12:28pm

ER765 said: "Ensemble1698878795 said: "abcd12 said: "Ensemble1698878795 said: "binau said: "Once again we keep hearing this overly simplified idea that only certain groups can be racist. This is a distraction technique - yes it is true that in very specific academic contexts who need to define terms very carefully for their arguments that racism is a complex term that would also involvesystemic components, but this is not how the term 'racism' is used in every day language which is used synonymously with prejudice. The reason that you want to use the term prejudice instead of racist is because you want to euphemisethe behaviour when it is coming from groups that you want to excuse - but you would describe other people with prejudice as racist when it suits you and you wouldn'tchoose to euphemise it.

It's just so, so ugly to see what is actually racialised language in this thread ("Why should she apologise to a WHITE woman") - especially whenPatti has NEVER once used racialised language in her life despite the claim by these 500 nobodies. I can really hear the hatred and prejudice in the posts trying to inflame this race war. Audra is better than this. Patti is better than this. I don't know if Kecia is better than this given she did essentially start this race war unfairly. This is chaos.
"

Chaos is your ability to blame a “race war” on a Black woman who merely spoke up for herself and her company.The Roommateis not the only play that’s shared a wall with HK. But it seems the only show to have a noise complaint - to our knowledge.


Patti gets to complain to the Shuberts, call Kecia a bitch and tell Audra “she should know better.” But Kecia speaking on social media is the beginning of the race war? This is theinstitutionalized white privilege people are complaining about, the mere idea that Patti isn’t at fault. Only if Kecia had stayed in her place as a woman of lower status and been quiet, but Patti doesn’t have to. That system of thought is unspoken, but always expected and people are calling the BS out - rightfully so.



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Ain’t you tired, Miss Hilly?"

Gaslighting. The go to white behavior on this thread."

How is it gaslighting when you literally won’t stop posting the same word salad over and over? It’s literally documented here. It’s a fact. Stop throwing around words like gaslighting when you clearly don’t even understand what it means.

*waits for some offensive response using wild chitlin circuit / slavery referencesin some lame attempt to prove a futile point*"

I know what gaslighting is. It’s what many of you in this thread have tried to do for past 48 hours. You discredit racism. You make it Kecias problem to fix this. You blame Audra. You say things like Kecia started this. Kecia didn’t go to the Shuberts. Patti did. Kecia didn’t call Patti a bitch in the New Yorker. Patti did. If Kecia is a bitch, Patti is a racist.

See how you brought up slavery? That’s what tragic white people do.

[Ensemble1698878795]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 12:29pm

nmartin said: "Accusing LuPone of microaggression, bullying, and racism says more about the accusers than the accused."

Go off white people! 

[binau]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 12:30pm

I wonder if the letter could backfire and then the 500 individuals who signed it quickly regret it...

[Ensemble1698878795]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 12:32pm

1. SmokeyLady said: "
   Once again we keep hearing this overly simplified idea that only certain groups can be racist. This is a distraction technique - yes it is true that in very specific academic contexts who need to define terms very carefully for their arguments that racism is a complex term that would also involvesystemic components, but this is not how the term 'racism' is used in every day language which is used synonymously with prejudice. The reason that you want to use the term prejudice instead of racist is because you want to euphemisethe behaviour when it is coming from groups that you want to excuse - but you would describe other people with prejudice as racist when it suits you and you wouldn'tchoose to euphemise it.binau said: "Owen22 said: "

It's just so, so ugly to see what is actually racialised language in this thread ("Why should she apologise to a WHITE woman" - especially whenPatti has NEVER once used racialised language in her life despite the claim by these 500 nobodies. I can really hear the hatred and prejudice in the posts trying to inflame this race war. Audra is better than this. Patti is better than this. I don't know if Kecia is better than this given she did essentially start this race war unfairly. This is chaos."

There is no racism against white people. Because the term racism denotes a power differential. White people ALWAYS have the power. Maybe that will change one day. But right now, prejudice is the correct term.

I am assuming by everything you have ever written you are a white person. How f'ing dare you to make any declaration on what is or isn't racism. That is not up to a white person to define. If Ms. Lewis says Patti was being racially microaggressive, then Patti was being racially microaggressive. Black people know things YOU DO NOT KNOW!!!!! Your history is not theirs. Your perspective is not theirs. So just shut up and listen!!!!"

I am as black as can be. And I am telling you that you are completely full of it. You do not know any of these people. Ms Lewis could be the devil personified for all you know. And stop telling people to shut up and listen. That will never do anyone any good. Conversation and back and forth in a inteligent manner are key. Coming here and acting like Monique yelling at Oprahis ugly and will not do anyone any good. Take your hands off your hips and drop the attitude. "

Honey, it’s giving self hatred on display. I hope you get all the white applause and likes you desire. 

[soxboy22]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 12:38pm

binau said: "I wonder if the letter could backfire and then the 500 individuals who signed it quickly regret it..."

Bingo. Along with (honest?) claims: “That’s my name, but I never signed it!”

[ER765]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 12:38pm

Ensemble1698878795 said: "ER765 said: "Ensemble1698878795 said: "abcd12 said: "Ensemble1698878795 said: "binau said: "Once again we keep hearing this overly simplified idea that only certain groups can be racist. This is a distraction technique - yes it is true that in very specific academic contexts who need to define terms very carefully for their arguments that racism is a complex term that would also involvesystemic components, but this is not how the term 'racism' is used in every day language which is used synonymously with prejudice. The reason that you want to use the term prejudice instead of racist is because you want to euphemisethe behaviour when it is coming from groups that you want to excuse - but you would describe other people with prejudice as racist when it suits you and you wouldn'tchoose to euphemise it.

It's just so, so ugly to see what is actually racialised language in this thread ("Why should she apologise to a WHITE woman") - especially whenPatti has NEVER once used racialised language in her life despite the claim by these 500 nobodies. I can really hear the hatred and prejudice in the posts trying to inflame this race war. Audra is better than this. Patti is better than this. I don't know if Kecia is better than this given she did essentially start this race war unfairly. This is chaos.
"

Chaos is your ability to blame a “race war” on a Black woman who merely spoke up for herself and her company.The Roommateis not the only play that’s shared a wall with HK. But it seems the only show to have a noise complaint - to our knowledge.


Patti gets to complain to the Shuberts, call Kecia a bitch and tell Audra “she should know better.” But Kecia speaking on social media is the beginning of the race war? This is theinstitutionalized white privilege people are complaining about, the mere idea that Patti isn’t at fault. Only if Kecia had stayed in her place as a woman of lower status and been quiet, but Patti doesn’t have to. That system of thought is unspoken, but always expected and people are calling the BS out - rightfully so.



"

Ain’t you tired, Miss Hilly?"

Gaslighting. The go to white behavior on this thread."

How is it gaslighting when you literally won’t stop posting the same word salad over and over? It’s literally documented here. It’s a fact. Stop throwing around words like gaslighting when you clearly don’t even understand what it means.

*waits for some offensive response using wild chitlin circuit / slavery referencesin some lame attempt to prove a futile point*"

I know what gaslighting is. It’s what many of you in this thread have tried to do for past 48 hours. You discredit racism. You make it Kecias problem to fix this. You blame Audra. You say things like Kecia started this. Kecia didn’t go to the Shuberts. Patti did. Kecia didn’t call Patti a bitch in the New Yorker. Patti did.If Kecia is a bitch, Patti is a racist.

See how you brought up slavery? That’s what tragic white people do."

Back to my question about how you magically know everyone’s race.

I am not white. 

See how you make everything about racism and speak in platitudes that don’t mean anything? That’s what tragic Black people do. 

Get a therapist. 

[MemorableUserName]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 2:11pm

FolliesCabaret said: "If I was Patti LuPone and saw how ridiculous everyone was being, I wouldn't say anything either. What is there to say?"

That still might not be good enough. According to this thread, even if she doesn't say anything, "we all know Patti and know exactly what was meant" when she doesn't say anything. (And apparently it's disrespectful!) 

[Kad]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 2:17pm

MemorableUserName said: "FolliesCabaret said: "If I was Patti LuPone and saw how ridiculous everyone was being, I wouldn't say anything either. What is there to say?"

That still might not be good enough. According to this thread, even if she doesn't say anything, "we all know Patti and know exactly what was meant" when she doesn't say anything. (And apparently it's disrespectful!)"

I'm inclined to be more forgiving of Patti but let's not kid ourselves here. Patti's lack of comment and subsequent deflection was extremely pointed and deliberate. It was like Aretha Franklin being asked about Taylor Swift and responding with, "Great gowns, beautiful gowns." Both are instances of somebody not wanting to go on the record with what they really think about another person. 

Updated On: 5/31/25 at 02:17 PM

[binau]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 2:22pm

[nativenewyorker2]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 2:35pm

One of the names on the new list is Rachel Berry hahahah

[bluetuna]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 2:35pm

binau said: "I wonder if the letter could backfire and then the 500 individuals who signed it quickly regret it..."

I'm thinking back to the Aziz Ansari situation where he was accused of sexual misconduct by a woman for not doing a good job at reading her body language, noting when she felt pressured, or even, as her interview pointed out, giving her the type of wine she preferred.  After he was vilified for several days, that situation took a turn as this situation was seen as an overreach of the #MeToo movement.

As politics have shown us, a silent majority of Americans are not fans of cancel culture, and I'm sure there are a lot of voices right now that are not sharing their thoughts on this situation.  As this board has shown, those who have been vocal in saying Patti's actions are not racist/race-based and/or that Kecia should not have posted her video to begin with, are being decried as racist.  If prominent people out there feel this way, you might notice they're not trying to insert themselves in this situation.

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 2:37pm

The team at BWW had damn well better send Patti a fruit basket for the traffic this is getting them. 

[Kad]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 2:48pm

Jordan Catalano said: "The team at BWW had damn well better send Patti a fruit basket for the traffic this is getting them."

Fruit baskets are microaggressions, Jordan. Send Schmakery's. 

Updated On: 5/31/25 at 02:48 PM

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 2:55pm

I have so much to learn. 

[FolliesCabaret]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 2:58pm

If I had a nickel for every time a Broadway Patti has driven traffic to the BroadwayWorld Forum, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.

[Bette's Turban]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 3:02pm

Kad said: "Jordan Catalano said: "The team at BWW had damn well better send Patti a fruit basket for the traffic this is getting them."

Fruit baskets are microaggressions, Jordan. Send Schmakery's."
 

kad and Jordan for the win.

[uncageg]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 3:56pm

And now I am craving a Schmakery's peanut butter cookie....from 1,700 miles away! Thanks Kad!! lol

[BrodyFosse123]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 4:00pm

[SmokeyLady]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 4:04pm

Brody; where did she post this?

[TotallyEffed]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 4:04pm

Instagram 

[Bwaygurl2]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 4:09pm

Glenn is thinking "and is there anyone else you need to apologize to?" 

[binau]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 4:14pm

Patti comes across as quite sincere and sympathetic to me. I hope there can be a PR stunt with Audra, Patti and Kecia meeting somewhere or doing something at the Tonys or something to bring everyone back together and show some forgiveness/moving on. 

[verywellthensigh]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 4:14pm

And the "This isn't good enough" chorus will begin in 5...4..3...2...

[SmokeyLady]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 4:16pm

binau said: "Patti comes across as quite sincere and sympathetic to me.I hope there can be a PR stunt with Audra, Patti and Kecia meeting somewhere or doing something at the Tonys or something to bring everyone back together and show some forgiveness/moving on."

The three of them making a entrance on the Tony stage would be fabulous.

[binau]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 4:19pm

Can they get Patti to also read "Best Actress in a Musical"? Feels like she would be giving the Gypsy torch to Audra or having a moment with Nicole on Sunset. Either way it'll be magical!

Updated On: 5/31/25 at 04:19 PM