LuPone on McDonald- Page 30

[ER765]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 10:22am

Ensemble1698878795 said: "abcd12 said: "Ensemble1698878795 said: "binau said: "Once again we keep hearing this overly simplified idea that only certain groups can be racist. This is a distraction technique - yes it is true that in very specific academic contexts who need to define terms very carefully for their arguments that racism is a complex term that would also involvesystemic components, but this is not how the term 'racism' is used in every day language which is used synonymously with prejudice. The reason that you want to use the term prejudice instead of racist is because you want to euphemisethe behaviour when it is coming from groups that you want to excuse - but you would describe other people with prejudice as racist when it suits you and you wouldn'tchoose to euphemise it.

It's just so, so ugly to see what is actually racialised language in this thread ("Why should she apologise to a WHITE woman") - especially whenPatti has NEVER once used racialised language in her life despite the claim by these 500 nobodies. I can really hear the hatred and prejudice in the posts trying to inflame this race war. Audra is better than this. Patti is better than this. I don't know if Kecia is better than this given she did essentially start this race war unfairly. This is chaos.
"

Chaos is your ability to blame a “race war” on a Black woman who merely spoke up for herself and her company.The Roommateis not the only play that’s shared a wall with HK. But it seems the only show to have a noise complaint - to our knowledge.


Patti gets to complain to the Shuberts, call Kecia a bitch and tell Audra “she should know better.” But Kecia speaking on social media is the beginning of the race war? This is theinstitutionalized white privilege people are complaining about, the mere idea that Patti isn’t at fault. Only if Kecia had stayed in her place as a woman of lower status and been quiet, but Patti doesn’t have to. That system of thought is unspoken, but always expected and people are calling the BS out - rightfully so.



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Ain’t you tired, Miss Hilly?"

Gaslighting. The go to white behavior on this thread."

How is it gaslighting when you literally won’t stop posting the same word salad over and over? It’s literally documented here. It’s a fact. Stop throwing around words like gaslighting when you clearly don’t even understand what it means. 

*waits for some offensive response using wild chitlin circuit / slavery references in some lame attempt to prove a futile point*

[abcd12]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 10:28am

Ensemble1698878795 said: "abcd12 said: "Ensemble1698878795 said: "binau said: "Once again we keep hearing this overly simplified idea that only certain groups can be racist. This is a distraction technique - yes it is true that in very specific academic contexts who need to define terms very carefully for their arguments that racism is a complex term that would also involvesystemic components, but this is not how the term 'racism' is used in every day language which is used synonymously with prejudice. The reason that you want to use the term prejudice instead of racist is because you want to euphemisethe behaviour when it is coming from groups that you want to excuse - but you would describe other people with prejudice as racist when it suits you and you wouldn'tchoose to euphemise it.

It's just so, so ugly to see what is actually racialised language in this thread ("Why should she apologise to a WHITE woman" - especially whenPatti has NEVER once used racialised language in her life despite the claim by these 500 nobodies. I can really hear the hatred and prejudice in the posts trying to inflame this race war. Audra is better than this. Patti is better than this. I don't know if Kecia is better than this given she did essentially start this race war unfairly. This is chaos.
"

Chaos is your ability to blame a “race war” on a Black woman who merely spoke up for herself and her company.The Roommateis not the only play that’s shared a wall with HK. But it seems the only show to have a noise complaint - to our knowledge.


Patti gets to complain to the Shuberts, call Kecia a bitch and tell Audra “she should know better.” But Kecia speaking on social media is the beginning of the race war? This is theinstitutionalized white privilege people are complaining about, the mere idea that Patti isn’t at fault. Only if Kecia had stayed in her place as a woman of lower status and been quiet, but Patti doesn’t have to. That system of thought is unspoken, but always expected and people are calling the BS out - rightfully so.



"

Ain’t you tired, Miss Hilly?"

Gaslighting. The go to white behavior on this thread."

How do you even know what anyone’s race is on here?

Multiple people have said they’re Black and don’t agree with you and you insinuate they are brainwashed. 

So the only people who matter are the ones who agree with you?

Go talk to Broadway’s self-appointed HR Department - Courtney Love and James Monroe Iglehart. 

Updated On: 5/31/25 at 10:28 AM

[TotallyEffed]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 10:29am

binau said: "Can we go Back to Before?

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Never.

[nmartin]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 10:32am

Accusing LuPone of microaggression, bullying, and racism says more about the accusers than the accused.  

[MB124]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 10:34am

abcd12 said: "
Go talk to Broadway’s self-appointed HR Department - Courtney Love and James Monroe Iglehart."

LMAO

[MadsonMelo]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 10:43am

Chaos is your ability to blame a “race war” on a Black woman who merely spoke up for herself and her company.The Roommateis not the only play that’s shared a wall with HK. But it seems the only show to have a noise complaint - to our knowledge.


Patti gets to complain to the Shuberts, call Kecia a bitch and tell Audra “she should know better.” But Kecia speaking on social media is the beginning of the race war? This is theinstitutionalized white privilege people are complaining about, the mere idea that Patti isn’t at fault. Only if Kecia had stayed in her place as a woman of lower status and been quiet, but Patti doesn’t have to. That system of thought is unspoken, but always expected and people are calling the BS out - rightfully so.



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Just pointing out that The Roommate was the first play to share a wall with HK! 
 

Kimberly Akimbo was on booth less than a month during HK’s preview and that was a musical, not a two person play.

And since the Sound cues were changed that helped John Proctor not to have the same problems

[DrMonicaDeMoneco]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 10:44am

The madness continues!

[Kad]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 10:47am

I cannot believe that this is the thread the mods are hands off on. 

Updated On: 5/31/25 at 10:47 AM

[Owen22]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 10:47am

binau said: "Once again we keep hearing this overly simplified idea that only certain groups can be racist. This is a distraction technique - yes it is true that in very specific academic contexts who need to define terms very carefully for their arguments that racism is a complex term that would also involvesystemic components, but this is not how the term 'racism' is used in every day language which is used synonymously with prejudice. The reason that you want to use the term prejudice instead of racist is because you want to euphemisethe behaviour when it is coming from groups that you want to excuse - but you would describe other people with prejudice as racist when it suits you and you wouldn'tchoose to euphemise it.

It's just so, so ugly to see what is actually racialised language in this thread ("Why should she apologise to a WHITE woman") - especially whenPatti has NEVER once used racialised language in her life despite the claim by these 500 nobodies. I can really hear the hatred and prejudice in the posts trying to inflame this race war. Audra is better than this. Patti is better than this. I don't know if Kecia is better than this given she did essentially start this race war unfairly. This is chaos."

There is no racism against white people.  Because the term racism denotes a power differential.  White people ALWAYS have the power.  Maybe that will change one day.  But right now, prejudice is the correct term.

I am assuming by everything you have ever written you are a white person.  How f'ing dare you to make any declaration on what is or isn't racism.  That is not up to a white person to define.  If Ms. Lewis says Patti was being racially microaggressive, then Patti was being racially microaggressive. Black people know things YOU DO NOT KNOW!!!!!  Your history is not theirs. Your perspective is not theirs. So just shut up and listen!!!!

[Robbie2]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 10:51am

Patti LuPone recalls 'instant dislike' for Kevin Kline in drama school: 'He looked like Pinocchio'

https://ew.com/patti-lupone-recalls-instant-dislike-kevin-kline-drama-school-11741884

 

[binau]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 10:55am

Owen22 said: "binau said: "Once again we keep hearing this overly simplified idea that only certain groups can be racist. This is a distraction technique - yes it is true that in very specific academic contexts who need to define terms very carefully for their arguments that racism is a complex term that would also involvesystemic components, but this is not how the term 'racism' is used in every day language which is used synonymously with prejudice. The reason that you want to use the term prejudice instead of racist is because you want to euphemisethe behaviour when it is coming from groups that you want to excuse - but you would describe other people with prejudice as racist when it suits you and you wouldn'tchoose to euphemise it.

It's just so, so ugly to see what is actually racialised language in this thread ("Why should she apologise to a WHITE woman" - especially whenPatti has NEVER once used racialised language in her life despite the claim by these 500 nobodies. I can really hear the hatred and prejudice in the posts trying to inflame this race war. Audra is better than this. Patti is better than this. I don't know if Kecia is better than this given she did essentially start this race war unfairly. This is chaos."

There is no racism against white people. Because the term racism denotes a power differential. White people ALWAYS have the power. Maybe that will change one day. But right now, prejudice is the correct term.

I am assuming by everything you have ever written you are a white person. How f'ing dare you to make any declaration on what is or isn't racism. That is not up to a white person to define. If Ms. Lewis says Patti was being racially microaggressive, then Patti was being racially microaggressive. Black people know things YOU DO NOT KNOW!!!!! Your history is not theirs. Your perspective is not theirs. So just shut up and listen!!!!"

Did you not read the very post you're quoting? lol. No, Patti asking Hell's Kitchen to turn down the sound was not racist this is a common scenario on broadway. If Kecia thinks it's racist she is wrong. You are also wrong. I won't shut up. Just because you think it's racist, does not make it racist. We need to live in the real world not a hysterical delusional world where just because it FEELS racist to you we automatically have to pretend that this is reality. It's not racist. It's an emotional reaction that is not grounded in reality. As Patti said, Kecia didn't know what she was talking about. 

Updated On: 5/31/25 at 10:55 AM

[MemorableUserName]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 11:02am

Robbie2 said: "Patti LuPone recalls 'instant dislike' for Kevin Kline in drama school: 'He looked like Pinocchio'

https://ew.com/patti-lupone-recalls-instant-dislike-kevin-kline-drama-school-11741884

"

Such disrespect to a fellow member of the Broadway community. Someone oughtta write a letter...

[soxboy22]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 11:07am

Owen22 said: "binau said: "Once again we keep hearing this overly simplified idea that only certain groups can be racist. This is a distraction technique - yes it is true that in very specific academic contexts who need to define terms very carefully for their arguments that racism is a complex term that would also involvesystemic components, but this is not how the term 'racism' is used in every day language which is used synonymously with prejudice. The reason that you want to use the term prejudice instead of racist is because you want to euphemisethe behaviour when it is coming from groups that you want to excuse - but you would describe other people with prejudice as racist when it suits you and you wouldn'tchoose to euphemise it.

It's just so, so ugly to see what is actually racialised language in this thread ("Why should she apologise to a WHITE woman") - especially whenPatti has NEVER once used racialised language in her life despite the claim by these 500 nobodies. I can really hear the hatred and prejudice in the posts trying to inflame this race war. Audra is better than this. Patti is better than this. I don't know if Kecia is better than this given she did essentially start this race war unfairly. This is chaos."

There is no racism against white people. Because the term racism denotes a power differential. White people ALWAYS have the power. Maybe that will change one day. But right now, prejudice is the correct term.

I am assuming by everything you have ever written you are a white person. How f'ing dare you to make any declaration on what is or isn't racism. That is not up to a white person to define. If Ms. Lewis says Patti was being racially microaggressive, then Patti was being racially microaggressive. Black people know things YOU DO NOT KNOW!!!!! Your history is not theirs. Your perspective is not theirs. So just shut up and listen!!!!"

Things don’t work that way.  You’re being exceedingly naive.

 

[Midnight Radio]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 11:24am

Owen22 said: "I am assuming by everything you have ever written you are a white person. How f'ing dare you to make any declaration on what is or isn't racism. That is not up to a white person to define. If Ms. Lewis says Patti was being racially microaggressive, then Patti was being racially microaggressive. Black people know things YOU DO NOT KNOW!!!!! Your history is not theirs. Your perspective is not theirs. So just shut up and listen!!!!"

I.E. "Because I said so, that's why." How enlightened.

 

[Midnight Radio]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 11:26am

Also, since when did perspective become reality?

[kdogg36]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 11:42am

Well, I guess that useful discussion around a genuine microagression went down the memory hole.

[SmokeyLady]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 11:42am

Owen22 said: "binau said: "Once again we keep hearing this overly simplified idea that only certain groups can be racist. This is a distraction technique - yes it is true that in very specific academic contexts who need to define terms very carefully for their arguments that racism is a complex term that would also involvesystemic components, but this is not how the term 'racism' is used in every day language which is used synonymously with prejudice. The reason that you want to use the term prejudice instead of racist is because you want to euphemisethe behaviour when it is coming from groups that you want to excuse - but you would describe other people with prejudice as racist when it suits you and you wouldn'tchoose to euphemise it.

It's just so, so ugly to see what is actually racialised language in this thread ("Why should she apologise to a WHITE woman" - especially whenPatti has NEVER once used racialised language in her life despite the claim by these 500 nobodies. I can really hear the hatred and prejudice in the posts trying to inflame this race war. Audra is better than this. Patti is better than this. I don't know if Kecia is better than this given she did essentially start this race war unfairly. This is chaos."

There is no racism against white people. Because the term racism denotes a power differential. White people ALWAYS have the power. Maybe that will change one day. But right now, prejudice is the correct term.

I am assuming by everything you have ever written you are a white person. How f'ing dare you to make any declaration on what is or isn't racism. That is not up to a white person to define. If Ms. Lewis says Patti was being racially microaggressive, then Patti was being racially microaggressive. Black people know things YOU DO NOT KNOW!!!!! Your history is not theirs. Your perspective is not theirs. So just shut up and listen!!!!"

I am as black as can be.  And I am telling you that you are completely full of it.   You do not know any of these people.  Ms Lewis could be the devil personified for all you know.  And stop telling people to shut up and listen.  That will never do anyone any good.  Conversation and back and forth in a inteligent manner are key.  Coming here and acting like Monique yelling at Oprah is ugly and will not do anyone any good.   Take your hands off your hips and drop the attitude.  

Updated On: 5/31/25 at 11:42 AM

[DrMonicaDeMoneco]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 11:51am

Kad said: "I cannot believe that this is thethread the mods are hands off on."

It’s probably because the mods are in on the chaos of this thread. 

[binau]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 11:56am

Maybe BWW traffic and ad revenue is up to an all time high. 

[rosscoe(au)]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 12:01pm

How in the name of Donal Duck is this **** still going on for 30 pages.Some people need to touch some grass ( like outside ) see a therapist and just try to be less consumed.  

[ljay889]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 12:01pm

Words can't describe what this entire situation has become. Outside of the woke theater crowd on Twitter, I am seeing elsewhere that a lot of the sentiment is going back towards Patti's side. 

I do wish Patti would make a statement, and we can all move on. 

Updated On: 5/31/25 at 12:01 PM

[SteveSanders]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 12:02pm

It does feel like we are approaching a point where Tony Kushner could write a play with epic monologues based on this discussion.

[FolliesCabaret]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 12:17pm

If I was Patti LuPone and saw how ridiculous everyone was being, I wouldn't say anything either. What is there to say? It is embarrassing how people have carried on acting like she has done anything to warrant this kind of reaction. I never thought I'd see the day Dems would actually mobilize - I just didn't think it would be to abolish free speech.

[soxboy22]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 12:17pm

ljay889 said: "Words can't describe what this entire situation has become. Outside of the woke theatercrowd on Twitter, I am seeing elsewhere that a lot of the sentiment is going backtowards Patti's side.

I do wish Patti wouldmake a statement, and we can all move on."

I think The Letter was a major turn-off!

 

[east side story]

Posted: 5/31/25 at 12:19pm

The letter signed by those world-renowned artists has become a punchline outside of this tiny, incestuous industry. And LuPone was not wrong about the sound levels at HK.