#26
Posted: 3/5/07 at 12:07am
I saw the show in Chicago. Oh, dear... I WISH the only tragic flaw was her name...
Major flaw of "The Pirate Queen" — Page 2
#27
Posted: 3/5/07 at 12:50am
"I saw the show in Chicago. Oh, dear... I WISH the only tragic flaw was her name..."
Wow. Call me.
Wow. Call me.
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#28
Posted: 3/5/07 at 1:38am
"Is feidir liomsa aon rud a ra fuibhse agus nil clu agaibh! Haha, oh, ta seo ar fhabhas! Is fuath liom sibh ar fad! Pog me thon mor dubh! haha, nilim ach ag magadh!"
Curse you and your complex grammar rules that make online translation programs near impossible!
Curse you and your complex grammar rules that make online translation programs near impossible!
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#29
Posted: 4/8/07 at 9:17am
Seriously, what does it mean?
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#30
Posted: 4/8/07 at 9:22am
They do call her "O'Malley" several times--
Bingham: "My Queen commands me kill O'Malley"
Tiernan: "We're O'Malley's ship and crew"
As someone pointed out above, "Ni Mhaille" would be correct; it's not even a "feminine" version of her name so much as a way of denoting her as the Grainne who is "from Umhall."
The English wouldn't have understood that, though. And--a nitpick more than a major flaw: I wish they'd consistently had the Irish call her "Grania" and the English call her "Grace"; NEVER would a member of her clan referred to her as "Grace O'Malley" (the first words in the musical now).
(EDIT because I misspelled "Grainne")
Bingham: "My Queen commands me kill O'Malley"
Tiernan: "We're O'Malley's ship and crew"
As someone pointed out above, "Ni Mhaille" would be correct; it's not even a "feminine" version of her name so much as a way of denoting her as the Grainne who is "from Umhall."
The English wouldn't have understood that, though. And--a nitpick more than a major flaw: I wish they'd consistently had the Irish call her "Grania" and the English call her "Grace"; NEVER would a member of her clan referred to her as "Grace O'Malley" (the first words in the musical now).
(EDIT because I misspelled "Grainne")
Updated On: 4/8/07 at 09:22 AM
#31
Posted: 4/8/07 at 9:50am
Wa-wa-wait....THAT is the major flaw of the show?
#32
Posted: 4/8/07 at 10:00am
the major flaw - is that this farkuckta musical even opened! I heard that even the crew and stagehands were placing bets on the bad reviews.
#33
Posted: 4/8/07 at 10:01am
This thread is just ridiculous. What is this board coming to nowadays? People posting that a major flaw of a show is a mistake witha foreign language that all "stupid American tourist" types will never notice anyway...
#34
Posted: 4/8/07 at 10:03am
Fine, I'll translate.
Is feidir liomsa aon rud a ra fuibhse agus nil clu agaibh! Haha, oh, ta seo ar fhabhas! Is fuath liom sibh ar fad! Pog me thon mor dubh! haha, nilim ach ag magadh!
"I can say anything about you lot, and you don't understand. This is great. I hate you all! Kiss my shiny black ass! Sorry, I'm only messing with you."
Sorry if anyone found that offensive, but I wasn't planning to actually tell you what it meant, and I couldd have written far worse things!
Any more irish, for anyone?
Is feidir liomsa aon rud a ra fuibhse agus nil clu agaibh! Haha, oh, ta seo ar fhabhas! Is fuath liom sibh ar fad! Pog me thon mor dubh! haha, nilim ach ag magadh!
"I can say anything about you lot, and you don't understand. This is great. I hate you all! Kiss my shiny black ass! Sorry, I'm only messing with you."
Sorry if anyone found that offensive, but I wasn't planning to actually tell you what it meant, and I couldd have written far worse things!
Any more irish, for anyone?
The rain we knew is a thing of the past -
deep-delving, dark, deliberate you would say
browsing on spire and bogland; but today
our sky-blue slates are steaming in the sun,
our yachts tinkling and dancing in the bay
like racehorses. We contemplate at last
shining windows, a future forbidden to no one.
Derek Mahon
"Maybe all one can do is hope to end up with the right regrets."
Arthur Miller
deep-delving, dark, deliberate you would say
browsing on spire and bogland; but today
our sky-blue slates are steaming in the sun,
our yachts tinkling and dancing in the bay
like racehorses. We contemplate at last
shining windows, a future forbidden to no one.
Derek Mahon
"Maybe all one can do is hope to end up with the right regrets."
Arthur Miller
#35
Posted: 4/8/07 at 10:03am
Damn double posts!
Gread libh, postanna dubailte!
Gread libh, postanna dubailte!
The rain we knew is a thing of the past -
deep-delving, dark, deliberate you would say
browsing on spire and bogland; but today
our sky-blue slates are steaming in the sun,
our yachts tinkling and dancing in the bay
like racehorses. We contemplate at last
shining windows, a future forbidden to no one.
Derek Mahon
"Maybe all one can do is hope to end up with the right regrets."
Arthur Miller
deep-delving, dark, deliberate you would say
browsing on spire and bogland; but today
our sky-blue slates are steaming in the sun,
our yachts tinkling and dancing in the bay
like racehorses. We contemplate at last
shining windows, a future forbidden to no one.
Derek Mahon
"Maybe all one can do is hope to end up with the right regrets."
Arthur Miller
Updated On: 4/8/07 at 10:03 AM
#36
Posted: 4/8/07 at 10:35am
Tech, its funny that you thought the second act was the major flaw. I saw the show yesterday and found the second act to be much cleaner and stronger than the first. (Quite possibly because it was a mess earlier so they fixed more of that.)
Since I don't speak Irish, the O'Malley thing doesn't bother me, but I do think that they should have either called her Grania or Grace, it is quite confusing. I walked in yesterday and saw the understudy board listing Kathy Voytko (who was superb) as Grania and then the slip in the program said that Grace O'Malley would be played by Kathy Voytko. If I didn't know that Grace and Grania were the same person I would have been quite confused.
Since I don't speak Irish, the O'Malley thing doesn't bother me, but I do think that they should have either called her Grania or Grace, it is quite confusing. I walked in yesterday and saw the understudy board listing Kathy Voytko (who was superb) as Grania and then the slip in the program said that Grace O'Malley would be played by Kathy Voytko. If I didn't know that Grace and Grania were the same person I would have been quite confused.
Whatever happened to class?
#37
Posted: 4/8/07 at 8:10pm
Just saw this:
[[But, the scene where she defeated a ship after giving birth to a child did happen. She gave birth and then the following day her ship was attacked and she got up and faught them off despite her weakness. (but I have heard rumors they removed that scene??) She was one hell of a woman known across the nation for her drinking, cursing, and her free sexual habits...She even slept with a rope attached to her favorite ship in her fleet attached to the post of her bed, just in case it decided to sail off somewhere :-P]]
Grania married twice--her first husband was Donal O'Flaherty (AKA "Donal of the Battles"), and she did marry him--as in the show--to form a clan alliance (though the need for the alliance was not as immediately pressing as is depicted in the show, of course). Her second husband was "Iron" Richard Bourke, and she chose him (and may have proposed to him) herself, because she wanted his castle Rockfleet. Huw/Hugh, the "sailor" who washed up from a shipwreck, was between Donal and Richard.
They have not removed the "post-partum fight" scene, though they have thankfully made it clear that more time has passed than did in the Chicago production, and she plays a much less active role. And the thing about the rope tied from her ship to her ankle is an old wives' tale; a ship at anchor is never still enough for one so tethered to sleep (or even remain in bed instead of being pulled out the window), especially when the tide rises or falls.
And re: the drinking and cursing--she was also apparently quite the gambler. XD
[[But, the scene where she defeated a ship after giving birth to a child did happen. She gave birth and then the following day her ship was attacked and she got up and faught them off despite her weakness. (but I have heard rumors they removed that scene??) She was one hell of a woman known across the nation for her drinking, cursing, and her free sexual habits...She even slept with a rope attached to her favorite ship in her fleet attached to the post of her bed, just in case it decided to sail off somewhere :-P]]
Grania married twice--her first husband was Donal O'Flaherty (AKA "Donal of the Battles"), and she did marry him--as in the show--to form a clan alliance (though the need for the alliance was not as immediately pressing as is depicted in the show, of course). Her second husband was "Iron" Richard Bourke, and she chose him (and may have proposed to him) herself, because she wanted his castle Rockfleet. Huw/Hugh, the "sailor" who washed up from a shipwreck, was between Donal and Richard.
They have not removed the "post-partum fight" scene, though they have thankfully made it clear that more time has passed than did in the Chicago production, and she plays a much less active role. And the thing about the rope tied from her ship to her ankle is an old wives' tale; a ship at anchor is never still enough for one so tethered to sleep (or even remain in bed instead of being pulled out the window), especially when the tide rises or falls.
And re: the drinking and cursing--she was also apparently quite the gambler. XD
Updated On: 4/8/07 at 08:10 PM
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