Man Shouts Heil Hitler at Fiddler Performance- Page 2

[binau]

Posted: 11/15/18 at 3:36pm

OKBroadwayFan said: "I don't think we are mistaken.



https://www.newsweek.com/trump-jews-creepy-history-controversy-775402"

What terrible, terrible journalism. Talk about clutching at straws. SonofRobbieJ - I take your point. I suppose there is some link there. 

[JSquared2]

Posted: 11/15/18 at 3:42pm

qolbinau said: "Anyone that thinks Trump or the Trump administration supports anti-semetic behaviour seems so mistaken to me.The USA government, including Trump is notoriously pro-Israel - it was the Trump administration that moved the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Trump has a Jewish son in law who had a Jewish wedding ceremony that Trump himself attended. I can understand how someone might blame attacks towards Mexicans or Muslims as being inspired by Trump. But if anyone thinks Trump is anti-semetic they are clearly mistaken."

 

Of course the orange monster was at that wedding --- it was his daughter-wife's!  

P.S.  He also attended Chelsea Clinton's wedding --- so I wouldn't read too much into his "beliefs" based on where he has been in the past.

[bk]

Posted: 11/15/18 at 3:58pm

Disrupting an event that people have paid to see in a theatre IS the equivalent of shouting "fire" - this is a bad precedent and certainly goes beyond free speech. It is hate speech is what it is, at a public event where people did not pay to hear it or choose to be around it. Sorry, where do you draw the line. And where does it lead if the guy gets a slap on the wrist, which is all he got from the cops.

[Nycat63]

Posted: 11/15/18 at 4:18pm

qolbinau said: "DrowsyKaye said: "When you get a President who encourages and normalizes this brand ofbehavior and hatred, this is what happens. No coincidence he was yelling Hitler and Trump's names concurrently.

The sooner this garbage monster is out of public office, the better.
"

Anyone that thinks Trump or the Trump administration supports anti-semetic behaviour seems so mistaken to me.The USA government, including Trump is notoriously pro-Israel - it was the Trump administration that moved the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Trump has a Jewish son in law who had a Jewish wedding ceremony that Trump himself attended. I can understand how someone might blame attacks towards Mexicans or Muslims as being inspired by Trump. But if anyone thinks Trump is anti-semetic they are clearly mistaken."

Please don’t confuse political ties or support to Israel as being “pro Jews”.  The two are not the same.  Frankly, most Jews, including those in Israel, aren’t huge fans of Netanyahu either (i also don’t know too many who are fond of or trust Kushner).  Trump’s relationship with Israel is completely separate from whether or not he has anti-Semitic feelings.  Just because we haven’t heard as much from him about Jews as we have about Muslims, Mexicans and women does not mean it’s not there.  

But even if he isn’t specifically anti-Semitic, the poster ahead of you summed this up perfectly - he has normalized and fostered a culture of hate and emboldened these maniacs.  Anti-semitism did not begin with him and sadly won’t end with him, but he’s opened the floodgates for many to express hatred against whomever they please with no repercussions.  

 

[OKBroadwayFan]

Posted: 11/15/18 at 5:30pm

National Tour Facebook Post

An unfortunate and isolated event occurred during last night’s performance of Fiddler on the Roof when an intoxicated audience member shouted anti-Semitic slurs during the show’s intermission. The staff at the Baltimore Hippodrome acted swiftly and the person was removed from the theater without disruption to the show. The safety of our company and audience members is always a top priority and every local venue we work with has measures in place to ensure the safety of all theatergoers, staff members and performers. The performances will go on as scheduled and we look forward to bringing this remarkable production to audiences across the country.

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 11/15/18 at 5:37pm

Trump has a Jewish son in law who had a Jewish wedding ceremony that Trump himself attended.

Which is indicative of nothing.  His lies and pattern of hypocrisy are pretty much the only reliable traits he has.

He also attended Chelsea Clinton's wedding --- so I wouldn't read too much into his "beliefs" based on where he has been in the past.

He worships himself and no one else.  His religion is narcissism and his faith is in greed.  He does not exhibit a conscience, empathy or sense of morality.  He's a sociopath, so any attempt to judge him on his words and actions will be completely futile as he doesn't operate with the same idea of a moral compass that the rest of us would identify or understand.  He adapts his "beliefs" to leverage personal gains, so they will often be shifting and contradictory from one situation to the next.  He's been successful at using money and abuse of power to avoid any true consequence of his actions.  This is how the simple-minded and naive, like Caitlin Jenner, are so easily manipulated into doing what he wants, only to seem confused when he stabs them in the back.  

[LuPita2]

Posted: 11/15/18 at 6:24pm

These people now think it's ok because of our current administration.  Mass shootings have occurred everywhere where people go to enjoy themselves so I am sadly thinking that a Broadway theater will be next simply because of the huge sizes of the theaters, and the fact that security only looks through your bag, and doesn't do pat downs.  It's very, very scary out there now.  

Updated On: 11/15/18 at 06:24 PM

[LuPita2]

Posted: 11/15/18 at 6:32pm

If you are that scared, perhaps you should stay home. I personally find it annoying to be searched like some common criminal, especially since, in reality, I'm more likely to be killed by an asteroid then being attacked in a Broadway theater. No matter what security procedures are in place, someone planning to attack is going to find a way.

Nope. There have been 307 mass shootings in America in 2018 alone. It's no longer rare and should no longer be something you think could never happen to you.  It seems you've never lost someone in a mass shooting, because only someone who has never been affected personally would say that. 

But, I will agree regarding if someone is determined, they will unfortunately find a way.  Horrifying,.  

[a12la]

Posted: 11/15/18 at 9:22pm

qolbinau said: "DrowsyKaye said: "When you get a President who encourages and normalizes this brand ofbehavior and hatred, this is what happens. No coincidence he was yelling Hitler and Trump's names concurrently.

The sooner this garbage monster is out of public office, the better.
"

Anyone that thinks Trump or the Trump administration supports anti-semetic behaviour seems so mistaken to me.The USA government, including Trump is notoriously pro-Israel - it was the Trump administration that moved the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Trump has a Jewish son in law who had a Jewish wedding ceremony that Trump himself attended. I can understand how someone might blame attacks towards Mexicans or Muslims as being inspired by Trump. But if anyone thinks Trump is anti-semetic they are clearly mistaken."

Pro-Israel is not the same thing as Pro-Semetic

[WhizzerMarvin]

Posted: 11/15/18 at 9:40pm

Broadway theater security really needs an upgrade and for anyone who doesn’t think a mass shooting could happen in a theater ask anyone who survived a shooting in a school, synagogue, grocery store, night club, bar, movie theater or yoga studio and see what they have to say.

We don’t need full body cavity searches, but Springsteen proved that you can go through metal detectors, have thorough bag checks and still have a great time at the theater. Thousands and thousands have seen Springsteen and I don’t hear any complaints about the metal detectors. It certainly hasn’t hurt sales.

Sadly this is the reality of the world and safety of both of the cast/crew/staff and patrons must be the top priority. If that means going through metal detectors before each show, so be it.

[Islander_fan]

Posted: 11/15/18 at 9:41pm

Going back to the topic of security at theatres. Don’t confuse security checks af the door to lack of security at the theatre. Theatres have security staff. When working on Broadway I’ve learned that A, they are in fact there. And B they are former NYPD, and, I’ve even met some who are former military too. They just dress to blend in but that doesn’t mean they aren’t there.

[bk]

Posted: 11/16/18 at 6:12am

The story has taken an interesting turn.  Search for the updates.  The guy was totally drunk and is an anti-Trump person trying to tie Hitler to Trump.  That's what his story is - after the fact.  

[binau]

Posted: 11/16/18 at 7:15am

a12la said: "qolbinau said: "DrowsyKaye said: "When you get a President who encourages and normalizes this brand ofbehavior and hatred, this is what happens. No coincidence he was yelling Hitler and Trump's names concurrently.

The sooner this garbage monster is out of public office, the better.
"

Anyone that thinks Trump or the Trump administration supports anti-semetic behaviour seems so mistaken to me.The USA government, including Trump is notoriously pro-Israel - it was the Trump administration that moved the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Trump has a Jewish son in law who had a Jewish wedding ceremony that Trump himself attended. I can understand how someone might blame attacks towards Mexicans or Muslims as being inspired by Trump. But if anyone thinks Trump is anti-semetic they are clearly mistaken."

Pro-Israel is not the same thing as Pro-Semetic"

I can see how there would be a difference, although I find it interesting that those who have negative attitudes towards the state of Israel have been accused of being Anti-Semitic. Should it work both ways?

[lotiloti]

Posted: 11/16/18 at 7:22am

Price you pay for electing a fascist President!!

[dramamama611]

Posted: 11/16/18 at 7:53am

bk said: "The story has taken an interesting turn. Search for the updates. The guy was totally drunk and is an anti-Trump person trying to tie Hitler to Trump. That's what his story is - after the fact."

 

Providing links is usually helpful.

 

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 11/16/18 at 9:21am

I think this is the article:  https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-hippodrome-20181114-story.html

Either way, it doesn't change the severity of his action.  His drunk ass should be in jail.

[mamaleh]

Posted: 11/16/18 at 11:52am

Yes, he should be in jail for what amounts to making terroristic threats.  Trump may have a lot of negative qualities but I don't believe he is truly antisemitic.   Being pro-Israel IS by definition being philosemitic, as Israel is the nation-state of the Jewish people, no matter what one thinks of its current leaders.  Trump has certainly been friendlier in that category than his predecessor, who used his last days in office to throw Israel under the bus at the UN because of a petty personal tiff with Netanyahu.  The wackos who cite Trump's name are just as emboldened by the proliferation of unchecked hate on social media (thanks, Google, Facebook and Gab) as anything else.  And those who blithely toss labels and such words as "Nazi" and "fascist" cheapen and demean the horrific experiences of those who lived -- and died -- under those regimes.  

[sinister teashop]

Posted: 11/16/18 at 12:08pm

mamaleh said: "Trump may have a lot of negative qualities but I don't believe he is truly antisemitic. Being pro-Israel IS by definition being philosemitic, as Israel is the nation-state of the Jewish people, no matter what one thinks of its current leaders."

You're right that Israel is a nation-state of Jewish people which is why Trump and many other leaders who prey and profit on ethnic nationalism support Israel. That's where they think all Jews should be. 

Updated On: 11/16/18 at 12:08 PM

[Nycat63]

Posted: 11/16/18 at 12:18pm

mamaleh said: "Yes, he should be in jail for what amounts to making terroristic threats. Trump may have a lot of negative qualities but I don't believe he is truly antisemitic. Being pro-Israel IS by definition being philosemitic, as Israel is the nation-state of the Jewish people, no matter what one thinks of its current leaders. Trump has certainly been friendlier in that category than his predecessor, who used his last days in office to throw Israel under the bus at the UN because of a petty personal tiff with Netanyahu. The wackos who cite Trump'sname are just as emboldened by the proliferation of unchecked hate on social media (thanks, Google, Facebook and Gab)as anything else. And those who blithely toss labels and such words as"Nazi" and "fascist" cheapen and demean the horrific experiences of those who lived -- and died -- under those regimes."

Unfortunately, the First Amendment protects this guy because there was no "threat" as it's been defined by the Supreme Court.  It was not a terrorist threat because he didn't say "kill all the Jews" or directly incite violence. If you shout "fire" falsely in a theater, it's illegal because all reasonable people will react by stampeding out, resulting in a likelihood of injury. The Court today would say that, while some people may believe violence could follow the words he used (I'm sure some of our Justices would say "overreact", the words alone do not create a likelihood of injury or violence.

I still do not agree that pro-Israel is pro-Jew, particularly when it's a political stance. I loathe Trump but I am not accusing him of being anti-semitic without direct proof. I don't know if he is or isn't and will not speculate. But his political stance on Israel is also not proof that he is not. He tries to keep the Saudis and MBS close almost to a fault (and is more than happy to do personal business with them) but I think we all know how he feels about Muslims.

As I said above, anti-semitism is not Trump's fault and he may not even share the sentiment. But you cannot deny that our society has become more open about hate and exclusion and bullying (where is Melania and "Be Best" when we need her - cue eye roll) because of him, and his unbridled nationalism is somewhat frightening to those who have experienced similar situations. My father is a 96 year old Holocaust survivor who came to the US in 1966 to escape anti-semitism and communism, while most of his friends and extended family moved to Israel, so while these are just my own views I'm not speaking from total ignorance here.

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 11/16/18 at 12:51pm

' I still do not agree that pro-Israel is pro-Jew, particularly when it's a political stance. I loathe Trump but I am not accusing him of being anti-semitic without direct proof. "

Yes. Thoughtful people know it's possible to be "pro Israel" and still be anti-semitic.

Also Trump referred to White Nationalists marching in South Carolina as "good people". There are countless other examples of his bigotry. What more direct proof do you need? 

[John Adams]

Posted: 11/16/18 at 1:35pm

These surely are disheartening times. When I read the post that indicated the man was an anti-Trump, drunk I felt relieved. 

I can see how that scenario might be accurate as it would account for why the man did not receive harsher treatment from the police (giving the police some credit for being the closest contacts in the situation regarding evaluating the severity of the man's actions).

I also know that really drunk people lose their sense of rational thinking and behavior. It is conceivable to me that a very drunk person, who was anti-Trump, would very wrongly believe that mentioning Hitler and Trump in the same breath, the way he did it, would seem that he was comparing Trump to Hitler, as an insult to Trump.

Of course, he was insanely wrong. But he was also insanely drunk (apparently). But it's not so insane to acknowledge that the explanation for what and why it happened is possible.

So, I am relieved that he was just a drunk who did something really unacceptable in his incapacitated state. But I also am saddened at how f-ed up it is to feel that relief.

[Nycat63]

Posted: 11/16/18 at 1:35pm

ErikJ972 said: "'I still do not agree that pro-Israel is pro-Jew, particularly when it's a political stance. I loathe Trump but I am not accusing him of being anti-semitic without direct proof. "

Yes. Thoughtful people know it's possible to be "pro Israel" and still be anti-semitic.

Also Trump referred to White Nationalists marching in South Carolina as "good people". There are countless other examples of his bigotry. What more direct proof do you need?"

Very fair point. 

[GiantsInTheSky2]

Posted: 11/16/18 at 2:15pm

Fosse76 said: "I personally find it annoying to be searched like some common criminal, especially since, in reality, I'm more likely to be killed by an asteroid then being attacked in a Broadway theater."

I’m sure the people who were killed in a movie theater thought the same way. Or those who have lost their lives going to a small nightclubs looking to enjoy themselves for a night. Or the children who said goodbye to their parents expecting a normal day at school and never came home.

I’m glad that you feel so safe and not at great risk of this happening to you - but we as a society need you to understand that these threats and the probability of them happening are extremely real and it is out of pure luck that more horrific events haven’t happened.

I’m not asking you to live in fear, just to be aware and acknowledge that your comment is completely incorrect. Just look up the number of mass shootings that have happened in public spaces such as a theater over the last few years. Look at how many people have lost their lives. Compare to how many asteroid deaths there have been in the past decade.

I’m surprised that we aren’t all being “searched like some common criminal” (when the reality of the situation is that they are looking out for YOUR safety, if the ego is to be put aside) when there could have been a shooting at any Broadway show (except Cursed Child, as said above), or any major train station, etc. Again, we shouldn’t live in fear, but we have to be realistic.

[SonofRobbieJ]

Posted: 11/16/18 at 2:26pm

ErikJ972 said: "'I still do not agree that pro-Israel is pro-Jew, particularly when it's a political stance. I loathe Trump but I am not accusing him of being anti-semitic without direct proof. "

Yes. Thoughtful people know it's possible to be "pro Israel" and still be anti-semitic.
 

I mean...White Evangelical support of Israel is based on the rebuilding of the Temple so Christ will come again and cast out the non-believers (which will include the Jews) and take the true believers to heaven.  So...

[Jarethan]

Posted: 11/16/18 at 2:36pm

That idiot may have been yelling 'Heil...Trump.'  The key point to me is that he sees Trump, who he loves, as being a Fascist, just as Hitler was.  I defy anyone on this board to build a cogent argument that we would not have concentration camps if Trump thought he could get away with it.  It is my passionate hope that our country has more checks and balances than Nazi Germany...it is clear that there are much more haters out there (otherwise known as 'very fine people (on the Fascist, White Supremist side)) than I realized.  Trump's disgusting behavior has enabled many in his base to conclude that they can say anything hateful they want to anybody.  It is positively sickening.