Man Shouts Heil Hitler at Fiddler Performance — Page 2

OKBroadwayFan said: "I don't think we are mistaken.



https://www.newsweek.com/trump-jews-creepy-history-controversy-775402"

What terrible, terrible journalism. Talk about clutching at straws. SonofRobbieJ - I take your point. I suppose there is some link there.

Disrupting an event that people have paid to see in a theatre IS the equivalent of shouting "fire" - this is a bad precedent and certainly goes beyond free speech. It is hate speech is what it is, at a public event where people did not pay to hear it or choose to be around it. Sorry, where do you draw the line. And where does it lead if the guy gets a slap on the wrist, which is all he got from the cops.

These people now think it's ok because of our current administration. Mass shootings have occurred everywhere where people go to enjoy themselves so I am sadly thinking that a Broadway theater will be next simply because of the huge sizes of the theaters, and the fact that security only looks through your bag, and doesn't do pat downs. It's very, very scary out there now.

Updated On: 11/15/18 at 06:24 PM

Pro-Israel is not the same thing as Pro-Semetic

a12la said: "qolbinau said: "DrowsyKaye said: "When you get a President who encourages and normalizes this brand ofbehavior and hatred, this is what happens. No coincidence he was yelling Hitler and Trump's names concurrently.

The sooner this garbage monster is out of public office, the better.
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Anyone that thinks Trump or the Trump administration supports anti-semetic behaviour seems so mistaken to me.The USA government, including Trump is notoriously pro-Israel - it was the Trump administration that moved the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Trump has a Jewish son in law who had a Jewish wedding ceremony that Trump himself attended. I can understand how someone might blame attacks towards Mexicans or Muslims as being inspired by Trump. But if anyone thinks Trump is anti-semetic they are clearly mistaken."

Pro-Israel is not the same thing as Pro-Semetic"

I can see how there would be a difference, although I find it interesting that those who have negative attitudes towards the state of Israel have been accused of being Anti-Semitic. Should it work both ways?

bk said: "The story has taken an interesting turn. Search for the updates. The guy was totally drunk and is an anti-Trump person trying to tie Hitler to Trump. That's what his story is - after the fact."



Providing links is usually helpful.

Yes, he should be in jail for what amounts to making terroristic threats. Trump may have a lot of negative qualities but I don't believe he is truly antisemitic. Being pro-Israel IS by definition being philosemitic, as Israel is the nation-state of the Jewish people, no matter what one thinks of its current leaders. Trump has certainly been friendlier in that category than his predecessor, who used his last days in office to throw Israel under the bus at the UN because of a petty personal tiff with Netanyahu. The wackos who cite Trump's name are just as emboldened by the proliferation of unchecked hate on social media (thanks, Google, Facebook and Gab) as anything else. And those who blithely toss labels and such words as "Nazi" and "fascist" cheapen and demean the horrific experiences of those who lived -- and died -- under those regimes.

mamaleh said: "Yes, he should be in jail for what amounts to making terroristic threats. Trump may have a lot of negative qualities but I don't believe he is truly antisemitic. Being pro-Israel IS by definition being philosemitic, as Israel is the nation-state of the Jewish people, no matter what one thinks of its current leaders. Trump has certainly been friendlier in that category than his predecessor, who used his last days in office to throw Israel under the bus at the UN because of a petty personal tiff with Netanyahu. The wackos who cite Trump'sname are just as emboldened by the proliferation of unchecked hate on social media (thanks, Google, Facebook and Gab)as anything else. And those who blithely toss labels and such words as"Nazi" and "fascist" cheapen and demean the horrific experiences of those who lived -- and died -- under those regimes."

Unfortunately, the First Amendment protects this guy because there was no "threat" as it's been defined by the Supreme Court. It was not a terrorist threat because he didn't say "kill all the Jews" or directly incite violence. If you shout "fire" falsely in a theater, it's illegal because all reasonable people will react by stampeding out, resulting in a likelihood of injury. The Court today would say that, while some people may believe violence could follow the words he used (I'm sure some of our Justices would say "overreact", the words alone do not create a likelihood of injury or violence.

I still do not agree that pro-Israel is pro-Jew, particularly when it's a political stance. I loathe Trump but I am not accusing him of being anti-semitic without direct proof. I don't know if he is or isn't and will not speculate. But his political stance on Israel is also not proof that he is not. He tries to keep the Saudis and MBS close almost to a fault (and is more than happy to do personal business with them) but I think we all know how he feels about Muslims.

As I said above, anti-semitism is not Trump's fault and he may not even share the sentiment. But you cannot deny that our society has become more open about hate and exclusion and bullying (where is Melania and "Be Best" when we need her - cue eye roll) because of him, and his unbridled nationalism is somewhat frightening to those who have experienced similar situations. My father is a 96 year old Holocaust survivor who came to the US in 1966 to escape anti-semitism and communism, while most of his friends and extended family moved to Israel, so while these are just my own views I'm not speaking from total ignorance here.

These surely are disheartening times. When I read the post that indicated the man was an anti-Trump, drunk I felt relieved.

I can see how that scenario might be accurate as it would account for why the man did not receive harsher treatment from the police (giving the police some credit for being the closest contacts in the situation regarding evaluating the severity of the man's actions).

I also know that really drunk people lose their sense of rational thinking and behavior. It is conceivable to me that a very drunk person, who was anti-Trump, would very wrongly believe that mentioning Hitler and Trump in the same breath, the way he did it, would seem that he was comparing Trump to Hitler, as an insult to Trump.

Of course, he was insanely wrong. But he was also insanely drunk (apparently). But it's not so insane to acknowledge that the explanation for what and why it happened is possible.

So, I am relieved that he was just a drunk who did something really unacceptable in his incapacitated state. But I also am saddened at how f-ed up it is to feel that relief.

Fosse76 said: "I personally find it annoying to be searched like some common criminal, especially since, in reality, I'm more likely to be killed by an asteroid then being attacked in a Broadway theater."

I’m sure the people who were killed in a movie theater thought the same way. Or those who have lost their lives going to a small nightclubs looking to enjoy themselves for a night. Or the children who said goodbye to their parents expecting a normal day at school and never came home.

I’m glad that you feel so safe and not at great risk of this happening to you - but we as a society need you to understand that these threats and the probability of them happening are extremely real and it is out of pure luck that more horrific events haven’t happened.

I’m not asking you to live in fear, just to be aware and acknowledge that your comment is completely incorrect. Just look up the number of mass shootings that have happened in public spaces such as a theater over the last few years. Look at how many people have lost their lives. Compare to how many asteroid deaths there have been in the past decade.

I’m surprised that we aren’t all being “searched like some common criminal” (when the reality of the situation is that they are looking out for YOUR safety, if the ego is to be put aside) when there could have been a shooting at any Broadway show (except Cursed Child, as said above), or any major train station, etc. Again, we shouldn’t live in fear, but we have to be realistic.

That idiot may have been yelling 'Heil...Trump.' The key point to me is that he sees Trump, who he loves, as being a Fascist, just as Hitler was. I defy anyone on this board to build a cogent argument that we would not have concentration camps if Trump thought he could get away with it. It is my passionate hope that our country has more checks and balances than Nazi Germany...it is clear that there are much more haters out there (otherwise known as 'very fine people (on the Fascist, White Supremist side)) than I realized. Trump's disgusting behavior has enabled many in his base to conclude that they can say anything hateful they want to anybody. It is positively sickening.