Miss Saigon on Track for Film Treatment- Page 6

[Dshar]

Posted: 10/30/09 at 11:59am

ms saigon and les miz, those two shows i cant imagine not sung through.


Lez mis was done without being sung through (but its from the novel not the play) and it was great.

However Miss Saigon will definetely need to have some of the parts sung through, I'm thinking like the Dreamgirls.

[maila]

Posted: 10/30/09 at 12:31pm

dshar, i know les miz was made into a movie many times but never based on the sung-through musical. i was talking about les miz and miss saigon being sung-through as opposed to changing it to the traditional part sung/part dialogue type of musical.
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[Dshar]

Posted: 10/30/09 at 12:37pm

So what about Dreamgirls and Moulin Rouge? 2 of the highest grossing Musical made for movie?

[maila]

Posted: 10/30/09 at 12:52pm

the dreamgirls stage musical was sung through then on film, they changed some of the music into dialogues. same as rent. moulin rouge was never based on a sung-through stage musical. i was saying i like the miss saigon movie and les miz movie to not have a lot of its music cut and changed into dialogue . part of the beauty of the original musical was its lyrical sung through almost like opera quality. they actually used to call this type of musicals, " rock opera". i would rather have all its music retained than have dialogues cut in between songs, which is what they usually do on film and will probably do the same here. but it was also mentioned in the variety article that it will be " faithful" to the boublil-schoenberg musical. but how faithful? we don't know.


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[LizzieCurry]

Posted: 10/30/09 at 1:06pm

Used to?

"Rock opera" isn't necessarily an obsolete term these days.

[maila]

Posted: 10/30/09 at 1:10pm

well they use the word "sung through " more now these days. the word rock opera was more associated with the musicals in the 70s 80s and 90s like evita, jesus christ superstar, les miz etc.

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[AreYouKidding]

Posted: 10/30/09 at 4:38pm

Honestly i think Kim should be an unknown.. no one really comes to mind to me who's decent for the part. And to those that say it should be Charice i would highly disagree, Her voice really doesn't fit Kim IMO and the way she mumbles while she sings.. is just too painful.

[maila]

Posted: 10/30/09 at 5:36pm

i dont know what youre talking about charice's mumbling. i just saw her live last week at david foster and friend's concert and she never mumbled. and she has a sweet voice depending on the song she sings. here's the video again where she sang "over the rainbow":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Fth1pJults
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[AreYouKidding]

Posted: 10/30/09 at 6:13pm

ohh i guess she got better, lol. I remember in her older videos that she had a slight mumble going on. I guess mumble is the wrong word but really poor enunciation, most noticeably on her Ah's. It really sounds too full? not quite sure how to explain it but it really bothered me. But yea she sounds better there.

Here found a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtXZx_WjHPc&feature=related at about 1:36 onwards it really irks me.

[BWNUT]

Posted: 10/30/09 at 6:48pm

"...I guess mumble is the wrong word but really poor enunciation, most noticeably on her Ah's...."

I think this is true of most "unAmericanized" Filipino singers.

[new2broadway02]

Posted: 10/30/09 at 7:39pm

Please forgive me, as my user name suggests, I am close to clueless when it comes to theater. I feel like now I'm guilty of blasphemy for imagining Miss Saigon not sung thru. I do love the musical and most of the music. Only some parts bother me for being unnatural. At those parts I think, who talks like that? But I think it would be great if most of lyrics are included. I'm just not sure how it would work. How would it appeal to movie goers who aren't used to that? I don't know if many people who don't know Miss Saigon would watch it.

Dshar, please, let's try to stop. I wasn't saying Charice has the kind of an accent conveyed in stereotypes, just that she has an accent. I don't think it's bad to have an accent.
I just realized why accents on TV bother me. It's because many times these people are portrayed as idiots or goofballs. That they are stupid because they can't speak English.

By the way, my family is from the Philippines. And most of the members of my family can speak English fluently. They just happen to have accents. I know this is not fact, but it has been my observation that if you were born in a foreign country and came to the US after around 5 years old, you will still have an accent, though very slight, whether or not you still speak your native language. i have aunts and uncles who can't speak tagalog anymore, but they still have an accent. I am honestly not trying to insult you. But sometimes people with accents don't realize they have accents. And they can't tell someone else has an accent if they both have similar accents. So many Filipinos can't tell Charice has an accent.

And in my case, I used to think I didn't have an accent because people in California don't have accents (ignoring the Valley Girl and surfer dude speak). Then I saw this documentary that explained what the California accent was. They gave examples of longer vowels. So the word "do" sounded like dew. Or "you" sounded like the "u" in cute.

What it also explained was that the region where people spoke standard English was in the Midwest - Iowa, Ohio, parts of Illinois. They called it the Midland dialect.

Back on topic: I could go for an unknown for Kim. But Lea has to be Gigi. I'd be disappointed if she wasn't involved somehow.

[jsg03jd]

Posted: 10/30/09 at 8:43pm

Lea can just make a cameo appearance; she doesn't need to be Gigi because Gigi shouldn't be that much older than Kim.

Maybe the producers can create a scene similar to the one in CHICAGO for Chita Rivera's cameo appearance for Lea in the film version of SAIGON.

[Dshar]

Posted: 10/30/09 at 11:07pm

I hope that Lea's part if ever, would be an additional character that actually have a lot of screen time...she deserves a shot at the Oscars.

Also that Grammy nomination that flower Drum girl did her injustice by making her ineligible cause of a technicality.
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[SporkGoddess]

Posted: 10/30/09 at 11:12pm

I like Lea and think it'd be nice if she had a cameo, but not if it's at the expense of the story.

[jsg03jd]

Posted: 10/31/09 at 12:40am

I agree, Sgoddess. She's had her time in the sun as Kim; no need to create another female role for her, let alone one that can get her a potential Oscar nod.

[My Oh My]

Posted: 10/31/09 at 2:06am

The person/persons who suggested Daniel Radcliffe and David Archuletta for Chris should be tarred and feathered.

[LizzieCurry]

Posted: 10/31/09 at 2:12am

And in my case, I used to think I didn't have an accent because people in California don't have accents (ignoring the Valley Girl and surfer dude speak).

Everyone has an accent.

Everyone.

[eatlasagna]

Posted: 10/31/09 at 2:32am

like I said... Lea Salonga can be the mom and they can show her in a flashback! or Miss Chinatown! haha

[Dshar]

Posted: 10/31/09 at 2:33am

The person/persons who suggested Daniel Radcliffe and David Archuletta for Chris should be tarred and feathered.

I started that and i backed it up too...

1. David archuleta --- good singer have a tiny bit of acting (can be trained he is smart and the right age)

2. Radcliff -- good actor have a lot of stage experience before films somebody also mentioned he is on a musical revival.

Both have star power pull since the Lead is an unknown they need people who can pull.

[maila]

Posted: 10/31/09 at 5:20am

i dont see why some people snub pop artists . if they can do it and do it good, why not? look at fergie. everybody was against about her being cast in "nine" movie musical. now after the " be italian" track was leaked and some people were able to watch the screenings, now theyre all praises and raving about her.

[My Oh My]

Posted: 10/31/09 at 7:18am

Can't see Archuletta or Radcliffe as Chris. Sorry. Very wrong for the role. And their celebrity status does not influence my opinion.

[madbrian]

Posted: 10/31/09 at 8:12am

About the only thing that would prevent me from seeing a movie version of Miss Saigon would be casting Archuleta.

[eatlasagna]

Posted: 10/31/09 at 12:28pm

i'm thinking the star draw for this movie would be The Engineer.... unless they treat the movie as him being a supporting actor or advertise it in such a way... i'm also thinking that the search for KIM would also be the publicity and advertising for the movie as well... and whoever gets the rule (especially if it's an unknown) will get billing in the movie like Jennifer Hudon and Nikki Blonsky... that "and introducing"

which btw... i have seen one production of Miss Saigon where Chris got the bow after the Engineer... it was weird to see because I wasn't used to that... it went: Thuy, Ellen, John, The Engineer, Chris, Kim

[LizzieCurry]

Posted: 10/31/09 at 12:53pm

i dont see why some people snub pop artists .

Same here, and I don't even like pop music. Look at any thread about any movie musical, and in each one you'll find someone saying, "Ewww, no, not [name]!" It's as if anyone who's ever made a profit off their work in the (non-theatre) entertainment field must suck and should never, ever be in a movie musical.

[SporkGoddess]

Posted: 10/31/09 at 2:15pm

I don't mind Archuleta being a pop artist, it's more that I don't think he could pull off the role acting-wise.

Adam Lambert, maybe.