Nick Adams Victim of Gay Discrimination ?- Page 4

[wickedlover94]

Posted: 8/3/09 at 7:07pm

I personally think he's annoying, but i dont hate him like some of you

[PalJoey]

Posted: 8/3/09 at 7:09pm

I find the people who hate him WAY more annoying than he could ever manage to be.

[Kalimba]

Posted: 8/3/09 at 7:52pm

Nick Adams is the single person's worst enemy. You know the type. They go about town flaunting their relationship. "Look at me, I have a boyfriend, and you don't." I think the bouncer was fed up with this type of behavior from others, and Nick showing up when he did was the straw that broke the camel's back.

[BwayBoundJoe]

Posted: 8/3/09 at 10:06pm

I don't hate him. I don't like him, but I don't hate him.

[sondhead]

Posted: 8/4/09 at 1:44am

"I'm definitely not a fan. He's annoying."

You know who's more annoying, MyWonderWa11? YOU. You impersonated your boyfriend via e-mail, saying he was unable to work when they otherwise would have offered him a job. That's... well.. Misery-esque to say the least. Wow.

[Fosse76]

Posted: 8/4/09 at 11:42am

"Nick Adams is the single person's worst enemy. You know the type. They go about town flaunting their relationship. 'Look at me, I have a boyfriend, and you don't.' I think the bouncer was fed up with this type of behavior from others, and Nick showing up when he did was the straw that broke the camel's back."

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

As for this thread...I wouldn't be at all surprised if there was discrimination in this case...though what kind remains to be seen. I've been to clubs where they arbitrarily enforced unwritten dress codes, and this could have been one of those situations.

[Kalimba]

Posted: 8/4/09 at 3:17pm

It most certainly does make sense. The bouncer was using a discretionary door policy, whereas Nick felt he was being discriminated against. I'm not saying it's right, but it could have been for any number of reasons that he decided not to let Nick in. My example was there to highlight the absurdity of such discretionary door policies (which are applied at countless places).

[ghostlight2]

Posted: 8/4/09 at 3:34pm

You really aren't making sense, Kalimba. At all.

First of all, if the bouncer was using his discretionary door policy to keep Nick out, then he was discriminated against. Your example had nothing to do with anything other than you felt Nick was flaunting his boyfriend when you don't (presumably, since it's such an issue for you) have one. Just exactly how does one flaunt a relationship?

I'm really at a loss as to why people are bashing Nick for standing up for his rights. Sure, not being allowed into a stupid bar like Turtle bay isn't that big a deal, but where do you draw the line? Discrimination is discrimination, however trivial it may seem to you.

And for those who think he's making a big deal of this to promote whatever gig he's got coming up, well, that's just absurd. He got dissed, he got pissed, and he did something about it. I'm really surprised that so many of you spew such hatred for him for standing up for himself - and for so many of you.

[Kalimba]

Posted: 8/4/09 at 3:45pm

The "flaunting" was prompted by Wonderwa11's story on a prior page.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 8/4/09 at 3:47pm

He got dissed, he got pissed, and he did something about it

Um, he blogged and twittered about it. Then when his passive-aggressive behaviors actually got the attention of the place, he didn't want to hear what they had to say. Whatever.

[Kalimba]

Posted: 8/4/09 at 3:54pm

He got dissed, he got pissed, and he did something about it.

No, not really. He blogged about it, and got his friends and his "fans" to make even more noise. The proper thing would have been to talk with the owner and/or manager about such incident.

[ghostlight2]

Posted: 8/4/09 at 4:20pm

What would you have him do, Phyllis? Firebomb the place? Turtle Bay's response was to ignore that anything happened, but offered as an olive branch a dinner on them to shut him up. And you're still fixated on the hand-holding thing. What if he didn't think about it until later? Maybe the question didn't come up until the advocate asked about it?

"I see Nick and his boyfriend everywhere I go. I went to Blockheads for margaritas yesterday and there he was! I went to dinner a few hours later and there he was again! Later that night I went to G in Chelsea with some friends and BAM! I can't get rid of him.

I'm definitely not a fan. He's annoying"

Nowhere there is the word "flaunting" And if he did in fact see Nick and his boy out in public, what of it? He should hide? Going out in public is "flaunting?

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 8/4/09 at 4:23pm

What would you have him do, Phyllis? Firebomb the place?

No, but that sounds just short of what Nicky was suggesting.

If you have a problem with an establishment, logic and reason suggest you take it up with the establishment. Maybe Nick's not smart enough for that sort of critical thinking.

[Kalimba]

Posted: 8/4/09 at 4:27pm

I just went to Nick's blog and there was a response from the PR person from Turtle Bay.

And like Phyllis said, and what I stated earlier - when a person has a problem with an establishment, you take it up with them. Otherwise things get twisted out of proportion (like they have here) and nothing gets solved.

[ghostlight2]

Posted: 8/4/09 at 4:51pm

ME "What would you have him do, Phyllis? Firebomb the place?

Phyllis: "No, but that sounds just short of what Nicky was suggesting"

More hyperbole. He suggested nothing remotely of the sort. The worst he suggested was a boycott.
Maybe you and Kalimba need someone to hold your hand. You're really full of hate for this guy for no good reason.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 8/4/09 at 4:56pm

Where was my first instance of hyperbole?

[Kalimba]

Posted: 8/4/09 at 4:59pm

ghostlight, I'm not sure if you were referring to Phyllis or me, but if you read any of my posts here, I have never used the words "hate" or "dislike" when talking about Nick. I was saying that things could have been handled differently and probably more effectively.
Updated On: 8/4/09 at 04:59 PM

[ghostlight2]

Posted: 8/4/09 at 6:12pm

Phyllis: I won't go into your first case of hyperbole, but:

"Phyllis: "No, but that sounds just short of what Nicky was suggesting [firebombing]"

will do nicely for your most recent one. Nick made no suggestions of violence. Not even close.

And Kalimba, while you may never have used the word hate, it seems pretty clear you don't like him.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 8/5/09 at 9:25am

Um, okay.

[Reginald Tresilian]

Posted: 8/5/09 at 10:54am

I haven't really been following this, but do I understand correctly:

Nick Adams was turned away from a club because his T-shirt violated their published clothing policy. He decided the real reason was because he was gay. Later he added the detail that he and his boyfriend were holding hands, which, presumably, lends credence to his interpretation.

But where, apart from the fact that he is gay, did he get the notion that that's why he was turned away? Has he claimed there were any homophobic remarks made? That's the part I don't get.

[MarkK]

Posted: 8/5/09 at 11:43am

Reginald- In the article Nick said the bouncer laughed at him.

[Yero my Hero]

Posted: 8/5/09 at 11:46am

I would, too. Doesn't mean I hate gay people.

Reg - he said that a group of straight guys, all wearing white T-shirts, was allowed in right after he was turned away.

[Reginald Tresilian]

Posted: 8/5/09 at 11:49am

I see. Of course, he's still assuming that his being gay was the reason for the bouncer laughing.

It may well have been exactly what he thought it was.

On the other hand--and this isn't much better and may well be connected--I've frequently seen bouncers let women in while keeping men (gay and straight, I presume) out.

I object to bouncers/doorkeepers generally. Enforce whatever policies the establishment has, but aside from that . . . ? I don't believe they should decide who gets in or not.

[Kalimba]

Posted: 8/5/09 at 11:58am

Don't forget the "smirk" from the bouncer.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 8/5/09 at 11:59am

Nick hasn't blogged in a while! I do hope nothing is wrong!