On 6/9 Patti Said Company Won't Start In September- Page 2

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 6/10/20 at 2:35pm

Fosse76 said: "What holiday tourists? Youdon't actually believe there will be much tourism this holiday season,do you?"

 

In seven months? I’d imagine by then the city will be trying to get tourists to come back, yes  

 

[HogansHero]

Posted: 6/10/20 at 3:51pm

Jordan Catalano said: "In seven months? I’d imagine by then the city will be trying to get tourists to come back, yes "

Nope, just the opposite. The city is scared to death that tourists from the South will bring their diseases and bad habits to New York and disrupt the fragile ecosystem we have worked so hard to construct. And it seems likely that there will still be an embargo on foreign tourists (not to mention a total lack of interest).

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 6/10/20 at 3:56pm

Dude, who knows. The city is going to have to do something so that every hotel doesn’t close down and essentially decimate the tourism industry here. So I don’t know exactly what’ll happen, you don’t know exactly what’ll happen and everything anyone says is speculation.

[HogansHero]

Posted: 6/10/20 at 4:25pm

who knows is right. But while we don't know when, we do know when not, and 2020 is not in the cards. I know that's a bitter pill (for you and for the city) but it is a fact. I'll just add something that was discussed here early on and has fallen by the wayside: things are not going "back to before." Who knows where we are going too.

[broadfan327]

Posted: 6/10/20 at 4:30pm

I got an email today saying the NY Philharmonic will startup in January instead of the Fall.

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 6/10/20 at 4:33pm

I never said things were “going back” to anything, just that they need to figure out a way for NYC to make money and keep the tourism industry alive.

I get what you’re saying here and on every other thread and I used to really enjoy reading your posts but your constant “NYC is done, everyone is wrong, nothing will ever be the same again, everyone needs to stop having any hope about anything in this bleak time etc etc et f’in c, is just insane at this point.

Again, literally nobody knows what will happen so people will continue to speculate and they don’t need you refreshing every thread every two minutes so you can copy/paste that same message again and again and again like it’s your job, to them. Let people speculate and participate in conversation and even let those few who want to hope to see a Christmas show have that hope. Not shi*ting on their hope while they’re stuck at home takes NOTHING on your part. I just don’t get it.

Updated On: 6/10/20 at 04:33 PM

[morosco]

Posted: 6/10/20 at 4:49pm

The city is scared to death that tourists from the South will bring their diseases and bad habits to New York.​

Tourists specifically from the South?

[hearthemsing22]

Posted: 6/10/20 at 4:57pm

Jordan Catalano said: "I never said things were “going back” to anything, just that they need to figure out a way for NYC to make money and keep the tourism industry alive.

I get what you’re saying here and on every other thread and I used to really enjoy reading your posts but your constant “NYC is done, everyone is wrong, nothing will ever be the same again, everyone needs to stop having any hope about anything in this bleak time etc etc et f’in c, is just insane at this point.

Again, literally nobody knows what will happen so people will continue to speculate and they don’t need you refreshing every thread every two minutes so you can copy/paste that same message again and again and again like it’s your job,to them. Let people speculate and participate in conversation and even let those few who want to hope to see a Christmas show have that hope. Not shi*ting on their hope while they’re stuck at home takes NOTHING on your part. I just don’t get it."

I totally agree. Just because something isn't coming back when YOU want it to, or when YOU expect it to, doesn't mean it's  not coming back and that people should lose all hope. If you feel the need to say that, write it in a journal or something. But don't keep bringing it up. It's enough. 

[HogansHero]

Posted: 6/10/20 at 5:10pm

@jordan and hearthem, I'll take your counsel (to a point at least ) but let me just say that I am actually pretty optimistic (and there are posts to prove it), just not for this time period. I think Broadway will be back, hopefully better and probably different.

@morosco yes, based on the spiking and apparent lack of caution. (And yes there are other hotspots as well.)

[Dolly80]

Posted: 6/10/20 at 6:02pm

Jordan Catalano said: "But also, I still very much believe that West End performances will resume in a few months so if that does happen it will be a very interesting test to see how that goes and what it could mean for us moving forward here."

Not going to happen. Everyone in the business is working on theatres opening at the earliest January 2021. It’s impossible for them to open in a few months time.

[VotePeron]

Posted: 6/10/20 at 6:12pm

Dolly80 said: "Jordan Catalano said: "But also, I still very much believe that West End performances will resume in a few months so if that does happen it will be a very interesting test to see how that goes and what it could mean for us moving forward here."

Not going to happen. Everyone in the business is working on theatres opening at the earliest January 2021. It’s impossible for them to open in a few months time."

 

^ This is correct. Sorry to burst anyone’s bubble, but Patti doesn’t have any secret insider knowledge that those on this board who work in the industry don’t know.  

 

[Jordan Catalano]

Posted: 6/10/20 at 6:16pm

I'll ask again - Y'all want to share the Powerball numbers since you KNOW FOR A FACT what will happen in the future?

[fosterfan2]

Posted: 6/10/20 at 6:20pm

HogansHero said: "Jordan Catalano said: "In seven months? I’d imagine by then the city will be trying to get tourists to come back, yes "

Nope, just the opposite. The city is scared to death that tourists from the South will bring their diseases and bad habits to New York and disrupt the fragile ecosystem we have worked so hard to construct. And it seems likely that there will still be an embargo on foreign tourists (not to mention a total lack of interest)."

Please don't paint all of us Southerners with the same brush. We're not all mask-refusing,social-distance refusing bumpkins. I live in Atlanta,also known as "the Blue Dot in the red state". That said,I don't plan on traveling for a while,not to New York or anywhere,for health and safety reasons.

[PJPan]

Posted: 6/10/20 at 7:21pm

uncageg said: "I honestly think we will see theater come back earlier than predicted if there isn't a big Covid spike outside of the current ones. They are opening up states and if by, say, August everything is open except entertainment venues, they are going to almost be forced to let them open. People will already be out and about mingling and in groups. It may not happen but looking at the opening timelines I feel it could. Just my opinion."

Respectfully, nah. There are so many unions to work through first before the Broadway League makes that call, whenever NYS deems it safe for theater to attempt to reopen again. There is no "forcing" this to happen.

It's not just performers, but backstage (managers, crews, builders), front of house staff, and audiences. Until there's little to no chance of the virus spreading, at the moment it will definitely not be open by end of year. I'd love to be wrong, but realistically it probably won't happen and when it does, I think half the shows will be open.

[HogansHero]

Posted: 6/10/20 at 7:41pm

fosterfan2 said: "Please don't paint all of us Southerners with the same brush. We're not all mask-refusing,social-distance refusing bumpkins. I live in Atlanta,also known as "the Blue Dot in the red state". That said,I don't plan on traveling for a while,not to New York or anywhere,for health and safety reasons."

Let me say two things. 

First, the "painting" was not mine but the city health folks. Second, I would not (and doubt those folks are trying to either) suggest that everyone in the South is living la vida flagrante with respect to Covid 19. I appreciate (and respect) that you and a minority of folks are not doing what's trendy, and to be honest I don't think anyone is worried about you and your cohorts coming here, if for no other reason because you realize the time is not right. It's the M-RSD-RB's they are concerned about. Because they WOULD come.  Anyway, stay safe and be well. 

[Dolly80]

Posted: 6/11/20 at 3:39am

VotePeron said: "Dolly80 said: "Jordan Catalano said: "But also, I still very much believe that West End performances will resume in a few months so if that does happen it will be a very interesting test to see how that goes and what it could mean for us moving forward here."

Not going to happen. Everyone in the business is working on theatres opening at the earliest January 2021. It’s impossible for them to open in a few months time."



^ This is correct. Sorry to burst anyone’s bubble,but Patti doesn’t have any secret insider knowledge that those on this board who work in the industry don’t know.

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hate to break it to you, but actors are sometimes one of the last to know what is happening. 
 

ive been told shows are closing by colleagues before the actual casts of that show have been told.

 

[BrodyFosse123]

Posted: 6/11/20 at 4:14am

Dolly80 said: "VotePeron said: "Dolly80 said: "Jordan Catalano said: "But also, I still very much believe that West End performances will resume in a few months so if that does happen it will be a very interesting test to see how that goes and what it could mean for us moving forward here."

Not going to happen. Everyone in the business is working on theatres opening at the earliest January 2021. It’s impossible for them to open in a few months time."



^ This is correct. Sorry to burst anyone’s bubble,but Patti doesn’t have any secret insider knowledge that those on this board who work in the industry don’t know.

"
hate to break it to you, but actors are sometimes one of the last to know what is happening.


ive been told shows are closing by colleaguesbefore the actual casts of that show have been told.

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Exactly.  Even on television, most actors find out their show is cancelled by reading about it.  You’d think they would be given the info directly.   Nope.  I have friends on 3 major network shows and they don’t know if their show is picked up for a new season until it’s announced in the press.  Yeah, they hear lots of things but the official confirmation to them is when it’s announced in the press. 

Even LuPone has stated this: I’ve heard/I’ve been told this might... but she’s never spoken nor implied she knows anything official as there is zero official word on anything.
 

[Owen22]

Posted: 6/11/20 at 11:03am

HogansHero said: "who knows is right. But while we don't know when, we do know when not, and 2020 is not in the cards. I know that's a bitter pill (for you and for the city) but it is a fact. I'll just add something that was discussed here early on and has fallen by the wayside:things are not going "back to before." Who knows where we are going too."

Of course things will eventually go "back to before"!! People who keep saying this are just Covid--porn Drama Queens.  Things will definitely go "back to before", Mother.  Maybe not next year, but don't underestimate humans' amazing strength of purpose matched only by their equally amazing ability to forget.

Updated On: 6/11/20 at 11:03 AM

[ACL2006]

Posted: 6/11/20 at 11:49am

People really taking Patti's word on this? Come on! Until the Broadway League and the CDC come up with a plan, nobody knows for sure of anything right now.

[Jarethan]

Posted: 6/11/20 at 12:19pm

HogansHero said: "fosterfan2 said: "Please don't paint all of us Southerners with the same brush. We're not all mask-refusing,social-distance refusing bumpkins. I live in Atlanta,also known as "the Blue Dot in the red state". 

Let me say two things.
Second, I would not (and doubt those folks are trying to either) suggest that everyone in the South is living la vida flagrante with respect to Covid 19. I appreciate (and respect) that you and a minority of folks are not doing what's trendy, and to be honest I don't think anyone is worried about you and your cohorts coming here, if for no other reason because you realize the time is not right. It's the M-RSD-RB's they are concerned about. Because they WOULD come. Anyway, stay safe and be well."

I live in Sarasota, Florida, unfortunately a more Republican section of Florida than I realized until the last election.  I am personally appalled by the attitudes around here.  The only place you can go to with hopes that the majority of there people will be wearing masks (medical facilities excluded) is Costco, which is considered a club and is legally allowed to refuse admission to anyone not wearing a mask.  And even at Costco, I have seen news articles re big burly guys trying to bully their way in 'because their civil rights are being violated'.  Just sickening.  Since Georgia and Alabama both have governors who are as stupid as the governor of Florida -- and whose actions bely their attitudes -- I think there is real evidence that parts of the South is as backward attitudinally as they were 150 years ago.  

(Interesting did-bit: I learned that the west coast of Florida, which is more Republican, sourced its residents from the mid-West, whereas the East Coast, more Democrat, sourced it from the 95 corridor, e.g., NY, NJ, CT, RI, MA in particular).

[uncageg]

Posted: 6/11/20 at 1:08pm

PJPan said: "uncageg said: "I honestly think we will see theater come back earlier than predicted if there isn't a big Covid spike outside of the current ones. They are opening up states and if by, say, August everything is open except entertainment venues, they are going to almost be forced to let them open. People will already be out and about mingling and in groups. It may not happen but looking at the opening timelines I feel it could. Just my opinion."

Respectfully, nah. There are so many unions to work through first before the Broadway League makes that call, whenever NYS deems it safe for theater to attempt to reopen again. There is no "forcing" this to happen.

It's not just performers, but backstage (managers, crews, builders), front of house staff, and audiences. Until there's little to no chance of the virus spreading, at the moment it will definitely not be open by end of year. I'd love to be wrong, but realistically it probably won't happen and when it does, I think half the shows will be open."

I very much realize it is not just performers. But I don't expect the league is just sitting on their hands right now. And I would expect they are in constant contact with unions. You could be right. I would love to be also.

 

[RippedMan]

Posted: 6/11/20 at 1:22pm

I'm an actor and a theater I've worked at before wants to hire me for their show in August because things there have basically gone back to normal, but Equity won't allow it because they are unsure if the conditions are safe, etc. So I don't see anything Equity-wise happening until there are terms set in place to keep everyone safe. 

[ArtMan]

Posted: 6/11/20 at 1:51pm

Interesting to read this thread and not in a good way.  Weeks ago, I stated in a Broadway Covid thread that where I live and obviously many other cities, people were not wearing masks and were not social distancing, and that this virus was never going away.  I stated the way people were behaving elsewhere would have an effect on Broadway reopening.  It was stated by one know it all, that what  my city does, has absolutely no effect what happens in New York, because everyone (ridiculous) in NYC was wearing masks  and social distancing and anyone coming to NYC would be required to do the same. Now, weeks later,this same know it all,  states that New Yorkers are fearful of people coming from the South,  and  bringing their diseases and bad habits along with them.   If, as you stated, tourists would be required to follow the same guidelines, why, now, be fearful?  What has changed from my post,  weeks ago?

[HogansHero]

Posted: 6/11/20 at 2:01pm

Owen22 said: "Of course things will eventually go "back to before"!! People who keep saying this are just Covid--porn Drama Queens. Things will definitely go "back to before", Mother. Maybe not next year, but don't underestimate humans' amazing strength of purpose matched only by their equally amazing ability to forget."

You misapprehend my intention. As I noted in a preceding post, I am quite optimistic but the notion that we will go back to before is alien to the "amazing strength of purpose" of humans as well as human history (especially New Yorkers). Beyond that, I will abide by my promise above. 

[HogansHero]

Posted: 6/11/20 at 2:15pm

ArtMan said: "Interesting to read this thread and not in a good way. Weeks ago, I stated in a Broadway Covid thread that where I live and obviously many other cities, people were not wearing masks and were not social distancing, and that this virus was never going away. I stated the way people were behaving elsewhere would have an effect on Broadway reopening. It was stated by one know it all, that what my city does, has absolutely no effect what happens in New York, because everyone (ridiculous) in NYC was wearing masks and social distancing and anyone coming to NYC would be required to do the same. Now, weeks later,this same know it all, states that New Yorkers are fearful of people coming from the South, and bringing their diseases and bad habits along with them. If, as you stated, tourists would be required to follow the same guidelines, why, now, be fearful? What has changed from my post, weeks ago?"

First of all, things have been constantly evolving. Secondly, I don't recall the context in which I said that, but there is most certainly a risk of having people who are contemptuous of basic public safety enter an area that has excelled at flattening the curve. (Plus, as I said above, this was not me saying this but the public health people.) To be clear, there is no law here that one must mask and distance except when entering a building into which the public and workers are found. But most people here are respectful of the risk they expose others to and either mask or distance or both. I definitely never said 100% of people on the street are compliant, but most are (just as it would be wrong to say that no one in the new hotspots is being protective; I suspect the percentages are not far from mirror images).