Protesting Scottsboro Boys Minstrel Show — Page 5
#102
Posted: 11/8/10 at 2:27pm
wayman, wayman, wayman ...
remember where you are: "dressing up as gals" is NOT the same as drag!
:)
remember where you are: "dressing up as gals" is NOT the same as drag!
:)
"You, sir, are a moron." (PlayItAgain)
#103
Posted: 11/8/10 at 2:33pm
wyman, putting on a hat does not constitute drag. It is very different. That review read to me that there were two characters who look like they could be in La Cage. And yeah ive been to stage grade and read many of the positive and negative reviews. And im still waiting on the one that gives a good reason. Being made to feel uncomfortable or dealing with a tough subject is not one. Im pretty sure thats what art should do. IMO
#104
Posted: 11/8/10 at 3:28pm
julesboogie - I've read the negative reviews and in each one, it is clear to me why the critic didn't think the minstrel show format worked. Their reasons are well thought out. Could it be your love for the show doesn't allow you understand the objections or is it matter of reading comprehension?
I read an interview with David Thompson in which he states a minstrel show is the way the real Scottsboro Boys would tell their story. What a bunch of BS.
I read an interview with David Thompson in which he states a minstrel show is the way the real Scottsboro Boys would tell their story. What a bunch of BS.
#105
Posted: 11/8/10 at 3:28pm
julesboogie - I've read the negative reviews and in each one, it is clear to me why the critic didn't think the minstrel show format worked. Their reasons are well thought out. Could it be your love for the show doesn't allow you understand the objections or is it matter of reading comprehension?
I read an interview with David Thompson in which he states a minstrel show is the way the real Scottsboro Boys would tell their story. What a bunch of BS.
I read an interview with David Thompson in which he states a minstrel show is the way the real Scottsboro Boys would tell their story. What a bunch of BS.
#106
Posted: 11/8/10 at 3:30pm
That review is remarkable in that it never brings up that the show is done as a minstrel show.
"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."
#107
Posted: 11/8/10 at 3:39pm
From The Roots review:
In place of true wit, we get camp. Nor do characters develop or have any dimension. In fact, the play resembles a cartoon version of events, perhaps the biggest insult imaginable. The white Alabamians are bad, but in ridiculous ways; and the blacks are all victims, but victims without any traits other than their victimhood. Because the cast is so richly talented -- especially the actors who play the boys -- an audience member can occasionally get caught up in the power of a song, like Haywood singing "Go Back Home." But this is never enough to dispel the uneasiness caused by the joking attitude about a grave injustice.
Near the end, it almost seems as if the creators want to apologize for their approach, as they reveal the fates of the Scottsboro boys -- horrendous fates even for those released early. It leaves you wondering all the more why they chose this story, and why so many people in the theater seemed delighted by such a callous production in such questionable taste.
In place of true wit, we get camp. Nor do characters develop or have any dimension. In fact, the play resembles a cartoon version of events, perhaps the biggest insult imaginable. The white Alabamians are bad, but in ridiculous ways; and the blacks are all victims, but victims without any traits other than their victimhood. Because the cast is so richly talented -- especially the actors who play the boys -- an audience member can occasionally get caught up in the power of a song, like Haywood singing "Go Back Home." But this is never enough to dispel the uneasiness caused by the joking attitude about a grave injustice.
Near the end, it almost seems as if the creators want to apologize for their approach, as they reveal the fates of the Scottsboro boys -- horrendous fates even for those released early. It leaves you wondering all the more why they chose this story, and why so many people in the theater seemed delighted by such a callous production in such questionable taste.
#108
Posted: 11/8/10 at 5:33pm
Julesboogie, the Random House dictionary defines 'drag' as 'marked by or involving the wearing of clothing characteristically associated with the opposite sex.' Clearly, the two actors are wearing women's hats, but more than that, they put on scarves and shawls. One of them ties one around his waist, to simulate a dress. It's all to give the cartoony impression that they're playing women. Take a look at this video clip, and maybe it'll refresh your memory.
YouTube: 'Scottsboro Boys' footage from Broadway
YouTube: 'Scottsboro Boys' footage from Broadway
Updated On: 11/8/10 at 05:33 PM
#109
Posted: 11/8/10 at 8:16pm
Kad you may be right. I do love the show and i just found alot of the review bubkiss. But as i said it was imo.
And wyman. Again theres a difference in suggesting/helping a audience with the minstrel form by adding a scarf or a hat, and drag. They are never female impersonators. They are males playing females. As was done in minstrel shows. Its alot different to suggest the show has drag on top of all the other stuff that this reviewer didnt like. Inaccurate in my opinion. But splitting hairs none the less.
And wyman. Again theres a difference in suggesting/helping a audience with the minstrel form by adding a scarf or a hat, and drag. They are never female impersonators. They are males playing females. As was done in minstrel shows. Its alot different to suggest the show has drag on top of all the other stuff that this reviewer didnt like. Inaccurate in my opinion. But splitting hairs none the less.
#110
Posted: 11/8/10 at 10:57pm
The dictionary's definition of 'drag' makes no mention of 'female impersonators.' Nor does it set any standards as to how much someone has to wear in order to be doing drag. It doesn't say you have to wear a wig or a dress in order to be considered 'drag.' All the dictionary says is: 'wearing clothing that is characteristically associated with the opposite sex.' And that happens in 'Scottsboro Boys.'
For those who are detractors of the show, however, there are far bigger issues to debate than whether they use drag or not.
For those who are detractors of the show, however, there are far bigger issues to debate than whether they use drag or not.
#111
Posted: 11/8/10 at 11:25pm
If you say 'drag' to someone, they will not imagine a few articles of female clothing. If you use the word "drag" to describe something, it will undoubtedly invoke an image in someone's mind. It doesn't matter what the dictionary definition is- if you say "drag", most people will envision a female impersonator.
"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."
#112
Posted: 11/9/10 at 12:24am
I feel like Scottsboro Boys is not racism - it's a look at racism. Being racist, and analyzing racism are two very different things.
For instance, THE BOOK OF MORMON musical which is opening this year, is not going to be a look at Religious persecution, it's going to BE RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION.
How many years will it take for a future generation to talk about how awful it was that there was a Broadway musical that's sole purpose was to make fun of the Mormon religion (of course I'm assuming that - because just like the protesters outside of Scottsboro boys - I haven't actually seen THE BOOK OF MORMON)
But if it does turn out to be that - why would it be accepting for us to blatantly make fun of MORMONS?
For instance, THE BOOK OF MORMON musical which is opening this year, is not going to be a look at Religious persecution, it's going to BE RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION.
How many years will it take for a future generation to talk about how awful it was that there was a Broadway musical that's sole purpose was to make fun of the Mormon religion (of course I'm assuming that - because just like the protesters outside of Scottsboro boys - I haven't actually seen THE BOOK OF MORMON)
But if it does turn out to be that - why would it be accepting for us to blatantly make fun of MORMONS?
#113
Posted: 11/9/10 at 1:43am
It wouldn't be. However, there is a difference between making FUN of, and having fun with. (I,however, do not know where Book of Mormon will fall.)
However -- this has nothing to do with the Scotssboro Boys that does nothing BUT show and demean the blatant racist history we are so awfully guilty of.
However -- this has nothing to do with the Scotssboro Boys that does nothing BUT show and demean the blatant racist history we are so awfully guilty of.
If we're not having fun, then why are we doing it?
These are DISCUSSION boards, not mutual admiration boards. Discussion only occurs when we are willing to hear what others are thinking, regardless of whether it is alignment to our own thoughts.
#114
Posted: 11/9/10 at 10:12am
wyman, how many people do you think have looked up the word drag. Counting this reviewer id say one. YOU! Im with Kad on that one. We get our definition of drag from To Wong Foo, and anything Tyler Perry does. Full get up. Not a hat, scarf, overalls and hobo clothing.
And youre right this show does have greater issues (protests and such). Again, the whole reason i started in on that review is because its saying "dont see this show...and here's why." But the heres why is not accurate.
And youre right this show does have greater issues (protests and such). Again, the whole reason i started in on that review is because its saying "dont see this show...and here's why." But the heres why is not accurate.
#115
Posted: 11/9/10 at 10:23am
"For instance, THE BOOK OF MORMON musical which is opening this year, is not going to be a look at Religious persecution, it's going to BE RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION."
Trey Parker and Matt Stone have taken on Mormons before- and, although mocking of them, actually ended up being on their side. Sort of.
Irreverent, yes. Persecution, no. That is not something they do.
And I doubt Book of Mormon will actually solely be about Mormons.
Trey Parker and Matt Stone have taken on Mormons before- and, although mocking of them, actually ended up being on their side. Sort of.
Irreverent, yes. Persecution, no. That is not something they do.
And I doubt Book of Mormon will actually solely be about Mormons.
"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."
#116
Posted: 11/9/10 at 11:10am
And a story in today's Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/09/theater/09scottsboro.html?_r=1&ref=theater
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/09/theater/09scottsboro.html?_r=1&ref=theater
'Take me out tonight where's there's music and there's people and they're young and alive.'
#117
Posted: 11/9/10 at 8:57pm
He still doesn't like The Scottsboro Boys Minstrel Show.
http://www.villagevoice.com/2010-11-10/theater/in-the-wake-middletown-and-scottsboro-boys-enter-the-discomfort-zone
http://www.villagevoice.com/2010-11-10/theater/in-the-wake-middletown-and-scottsboro-boys-enter-the-discomfort-zone
#118
Posted: 11/10/10 at 10:19am
And neither do you, apparently.
"...everyone finally shut up, and the audience could enjoy the beginning of the Anatevka Pogram in peace."
#119
Posted: 11/10/10 at 4:46pm
I'm glad they posted their video online showing how THE SCOTTSBORO BOYS trivializes the black holocaust.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0LUeDPeZcg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0LUeDPeZcg
Updated On: 11/10/10 at 04:46 PM
#120
Posted: 11/13/10 at 4:35pm
Has anyone heard if the protesters ever returned went back or was it only that one isolated performance???
If we're not having fun, then why are we doing it?
These are DISCUSSION boards, not mutual admiration boards. Discussion only occurs when we are willing to hear what others are thinking, regardless of whether it is alignment to our own thoughts.
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