Spring Awakening Not-Love — Page 4

CapnHook, beautifully said!

fachedaluna....It is not soft porn. The show depicts things that practically every teen goes through during puberty and some things that we hope nobody, teen or otherwise, would have to go through. It kills me that there are so many people that can't handle seeing things in this show. Are we that "PC" that we can't handle real life?

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I don't even remember the masterbation. Which number did it take place?

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The alchemy between story, character, and performance is just that -- magic. There is no formula one can calculate, no potion or elixir one can swallow to get there. That's what makes it so wonderful when art emerges from a perfect complement among these AND a relationship with the audience, individually and collectively.

Cherry Jones has spoken at length about the reltionships she develops with different audiences while performing DOUBT. While that play is constructed around a particular ambiguity in the story, make no mistake that the audience brings a tremendous amount of baggage and personal perspective to the interpretation. In that sense, why can't different folks experience different strokes (no pun intended given the whole masturbation red herring here) with SPRING AWAKENING?

I think he jerks off during "My Junk." If you don't remember that spectacle, then, I really find it hard to listen to anything you have to say about the show.

I disagree with that statement because you're saying "This HAS to be this, but that DOESN'T have to be that." There's no formula, there's no musts. You don't make sense.

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The reason I can't remember most of the show is because it all looked the same, and not in a stylized way, but as in everything was blocked and chorographed the same way.

It was not my favorite show at all. It was somewhere towards the end. I understand how others would love it, but it just wasn't for me. For everyone who did, i am glad you did. You spent money on something you thoroughly enjoyed. As long as you liked it, that is all that matters.

i can't believe there is an SA bashing thread merely because someone was bored. this is pathetic. i am ashamed of some of you. really.

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" Folks, it was shallow. It was outlandish. People jerking off (pardon the bluntness) onstage. Haven't we moved forward from Hair? I'm not saying a show about sex is a bad idea, but it would have been a lot more clever had it played out like a softcore porn. The performances weren't all that memorable. The staging was fairly original, but this is from the man who directed the blando Thorougly Moddern Millie. The music was a little better than Rent's, but it didn't hold a candle to Guettel or Frankel or LaChuisa. Grey Gardens was superior in every single way. "

i don't think i could disagree more. it isn't 'that show with the sex in it' as people may think. it is art. it is real. and i hate using that arguement, but to be quite frank it is the truth. i highly doubt people in the audience are comparing the beauty of this show to 'softcore porn,' and if that's the way you think, maybe the theatre isn't the place for you. you've got to keep an open mind and accept what you're watching. it was raw and real, not sugar coated or done-up to seem to be something else. it is real life, and things like that actually happen. not to that extent for everyone, but to some degree, teens live out and see and hear issues like these everyday. and for them, it is a real connection. it was for me. i'll give you the benefit of the doubt in saying that this show is not for everyone, by no means; however, it is hard to believe that everyone who has seen it hasn't felt something afterwards. you'd have to have a heart of stone to walk away from spring awakening not feeling somewhat liberated or touched. this particular style of music isn't everyone's cup of tea, i can accept that, but it is hard not to feel it inside of you and in your bones. but hey, that's just me.

but personally, i don't think it is right to start a thread dedicated to show bashing, especially when it's a show that has meant so much to so many.

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"i can't believe there is an SA bashing thread merely because someone was bored. this is pathetic. i am ashamed of some of you. really."

A. This is BWW. We're snarky, we're mean, if you haven't noticed already people on other message boards don't like us. And frankly people here don't like each other half the time.
B. However, I don't think Yankeefan intended for this to be a bashing thread at all, it's not like the first post defamed all the cast members and aspects of the show.

Whether you love it or hate it, as long as there is intelligent discussion then it's all good. Isn't that the purpose of a message board. Or do we all want a litany of yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes in regards to what we personally believe.

I really didn't care for it. I'm very familiar with Wedekind's original play (read it in German and have translated it for a school project), and I find it reprehensible that Steven Sater credits himself with a "book" when most of the book dialogue comes from Eric Bentley's standard translation of the play. The music is uninspired and full of anachronisms (intentional, I know), near-rhymes, and trite cliches. The cast (with the exception of John Gallagher and Lauren Pritchard) is forgettable. The music is nice, but not overly theatrical.

Save yourself the price of a ticket and stay home with a copy of Ted Hughes' translation of the original play.

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you know, i get the fact that this wasn't supposed to be a bashing thread, but you know when you posted it that was what was going to happen, there's no way you posted this with the simple thought of it being innocent, come come now.

certain people on this board are the same people who give us theatre kids a bad name. slack off, will ya?
i like being obnoxious and opinionated just as much as the next person, but you have to know when to draw the line between contructive critism and insensitve and rude comments.

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ah yes - but what you're forgetting, dear readers, is that people love to jump on the bandwagon round here, especially overzealous teenagers.
i think yankee's original post was just fine - i don't agree with a lot of the points, but I understand where she's coming from. I thought she worded it quite tactfully and respectfully for the show.

and yes, this is a discussion forum so things should be discussed. whether you agree with them or not.

for me - i'm in the uk so i'm going from the recording, reading as many synopses of the play and show as i can, and the various info i can get, but I love the show so far. whether i'd still love it after watching remains to be seen - someone sub me money for a flight and i'll give you my review

as in all arguments, people on both sides need to be careful about a. sounding know it all. b. going over the top in their love or hate expressions for fear of sounding waaaay too keen c. making absolute statements like this was wrong. this sucks. this is juvenile etc.

oh yeah, and stop threadjacking about disney.