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The Rise and Fall? of David Mamet

Hi folks!

One of my favorite theatre articles is the NY Post one about Al Pacino and the countless problems with the play "China Doll." It really is a damning spread on the whole production, but Riedel seemed particularly sharp when talking about the playwright David Mamet.

Then I remembered some BWW forum topics where he was also spoken about in...shall we say...not very positive terms. Which brings me to my question: what is the general beef with Mamet?

Is it because he's super-protective of his scripts? His ban on post-show talkbacks? Or is he just notoriously painful to work with? I'd love to know what "sets him apart" in this way.


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The Rise and Fall? of David Mamet

When I saw The Anarchist, which was not his finest hour, I had him sign one of his books afterward. When I approached him, I asked if he was doing a lot of rewriting during previews, and he looked like I was crazy, and said 'Oh no, I think it's wonderful...' That's when I knew there was some issue between what he wrote and was seeing onstage, and what a lot of the audience thought was not quite ready to be on a stage.

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The Rise and Fall? of David Mamet

Oh, The Anarchist. To say it was not his finest hour is being very kind. Nothing like watching what should have been a single, short scene in a full play dragged into the dullest 80 minutes I had ever sat through at that point.

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The Rise and Fall? of David Mamet

What is the general beef with Mamet? I think it is largely that his last 3 or 4 plays have really sucked. And that's especially disappointing because he is one of the giants of American Theater having written a number of iconic works. A new Mamet play used to be an event. Now people don't know what to expect, whether it will be another American Buffalo or Glengarry or another November or China Doll and increasingly, the assumption is the latter. It's always disappointing to see one of the greats go dry. I don't think it's much more complicated than that.

Updated On: 5/24/18 at 12:48 PM

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The Rise and Fall? of David Mamet

Mamet hasn't written a quality play in decades, and his last several have been downright abysmal. His style has become passé and repetitive- a style from a different era that has not particularly aged with the times-and his controlling nature of his text doesn't help.

His pivot toward being an outspoken conservative hasn't helped matters, either.

He's a writer who has not been able to change with the times. Instead, he's ossified.


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Updated On: 5/24/18 at 12:54 PM

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The Rise and Fall? of David Mamet

On top of it all, his male-centric (and sometimes slightly misogynistic) plays don't really play well in 2018. Can you imagine doing Oleanna now? I meant, unless you are looking for some really fiery talkbacks afterward...oh wait, you're not allowed to have any.

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The Rise and Fall? of David Mamet

Just wonder what it's even based on? Is it all allegations?

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The Rise and Fall? of David Mamet

I imagine the “Weinstein character” is a thinly veiled version of him. This sounds interesting.
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The Rise and Fall? of David Mamet

Oy vey. Can't help but feel like Mamet is the absolute worst personal to tackle this subject matter. Surprised any producer would even touch this with a 10-foot-pole.

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The Rise and Fall? of David Mamet

(Erasing my snarky comment out of respect for Mamet's earlier work.)

Updated On: 5/25/18 at 10:51 AM

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The Rise and Fall? of David Mamet

I'm a huge fan of David Mamet's plays. I consider Sexual Perversity in Chicago and American Buffalo to be his masterpieces, and while I don't think they're anything special, I can't say I absolutely hated reading China Doll or The Anarchist.

When I read that David Mamet became a conservative, I figured it didn't really matter to me, because I still enjoyed his plays and many of his views on theatre. Then I watched interviews where he said that birth control is ruining the economy because women aren't able to trap men with unplanned pregnancies anymore, and I came to the conclusion that I like David Mamet the Playwright a lot more than I like David Mamet the Person.

I chalk his lackluster plays in recent years up to plain apathy. It seems like he doesn't try as hard with his newer plays. Perhaps it's because he's now in his seventies, and he feels like he doesn't have the time to perfect his scripts. I still find myself compelled by his premises and his dialogue, but his plays always leave you wanting more, and not in a good way.

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The Rise and Fall? of David Mamet

Mamet has adapted many of his plays for the screen, but never vice versa. Two great original works which few are aware of or remember are The Spanish Prisoner and Things Change. Both (or either) are in range of being adaptable and would be fascinating to see on stage.

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The Rise and Fall? of David Mamet

Love him or hate him, Mamet's writing has a power that few others can match. At his best (Glengarry Glen Ross, Oleanna, Speed-the-Plow) the rhythms and sheer verbiage of the text can make merely reading the script a white-hot excercise. Even his more middling work (November, The Woods, The Anarchist) has technique and excitement in a way that few of his successors can match.

One of the most educational evenings I had was reading the script to China Doll. The play onstage was a monumental bore, Al Pachino was beyond terrible, and I had no idea what the plot was. The spark of life shown in the last minute was far too little far too late to save the evnings from being the single worst thing I have ever seen professionally. So imagine my surprise when I read the script to the same play and found it to have a clarity never revealed on Broadway as well as being a mildly entertaining read. The play is never going to be Hamlet, or even Children of a Lesser God, to name a recent middling show. However, it serves as a warning to rely on star power for a play. Al Pachino's inability to memorize lines or act robbed the play of its traditional Mamet rhythms and obscured the plot. It turned into a wandering, babbling monologue that wouldn't end. Of course, it hardly matters since the show was a (commercial) success and sold extraordinarily well for it's limited engagement.

On the other hand, The Anarchist, which I did not see, is a script I keep returning to again and again. Judge me however you want, but I love the text and cannot understand why it wasn't successful. From virtually every review, both on here and professionally, it is obvious the play was bad, but the script reveals to me a meditating thought piece on the nature of good and evil. That may be its chief flaw: it's great as a theocratic essay, but not sustainable as drama. I still love the script.


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