#126
Posted: 7/26/11 at 11:08am
Everytime someone in this thread says "What next" I expect to read "People marrying dogs?"
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#127
What next? An all-Reginald Tresilian RUN FOR YOUR WIFE?
Posted: 7/26/11 at 11:10am
What next? An all-Reginald Tresilian RUN FOR YOUR WIFE?
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#128
Posted: 7/26/11 at 11:11am
Now you're talking!
#129
Posted: 7/26/11 at 11:24am
i agree, i think if the cast are talented the Show would work. Look at Tokyo Productions
of big Musicals, and Korean Productions, they always do extremely well. I love a multi racial Cast in general for Shows, but as far as an all-black Cast it depends on the Director's creative wishes.
of big Musicals, and Korean Productions, they always do extremely well. I love a multi racial Cast in general for Shows, but as far as an all-black Cast it depends on the Director's creative wishes.
#130
Posted: 7/26/11 at 11:52am
How about people write new, original, creative, invigorating pieces of theatre rather than reviving the same things over and over again, be it white, black, asian, indian, or otherwise? I'd LOVE to see something DIFFERENT and NEW...except "Gypsy." Personally, I can go for a revival every few years...uh oh, maybe that makes me a racist, too?? I never know where the line is drawn with some...
#131
Posted: 7/26/11 at 11:56am
>> "I was sniping because I find it amusing that you got nothing else right about the story"
I beg your pardon? One error in a name?
Sweet Jesus on a popsicle...
I beg your pardon? One error in a name?
Sweet Jesus on a popsicle...
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#132
Posted: 7/26/11 at 11:57am
". . . rather than reviving the same things over and over again, be it white, black, asian, indian, or otherwise?"
Where is this happening???
How do I keep missing these all-[fill in the blank] productions that are keeping white people off the stage?
Where is this happening???
How do I keep missing these all-[fill in the blank] productions that are keeping white people off the stage?
#133
Posted: 7/26/11 at 12:03pm
>> But again, Sean, what is there about the character that requires him to be white?
About all I can say at this point is, read the books. All of them. Look at the type of men Michael dates.
It's just who he is and what he would do. And before Phyllis goes apoplectic again, no, the nurse that took care of Michael's mother isnt in the same dating league as Thatch. A trick, yes. A relationship, no.
But whatever. This is now getting utterly silly, for me as well as everyone else. You have your vision of Maupin's characters; I have mine. And apparently we all must have those visions vetted by Phyllis before they're acceptable for public consumption. God forbid we make an error on a name.
The last poster in this thread got it right: how about something original? Sweet Jesus, I'm starting to wonder how we ever got through the 60s and 70s without reviving everything possible. Gosh, maybe because back then, folks actually had a smattering of creativity and didnt have to depend on doing all-this or all-that of fifty year old shows to make a buck. But whatever... you guys discuss it at your leisure.
About all I can say at this point is, read the books. All of them. Look at the type of men Michael dates.
It's just who he is and what he would do. And before Phyllis goes apoplectic again, no, the nurse that took care of Michael's mother isnt in the same dating league as Thatch. A trick, yes. A relationship, no.
But whatever. This is now getting utterly silly, for me as well as everyone else. You have your vision of Maupin's characters; I have mine. And apparently we all must have those visions vetted by Phyllis before they're acceptable for public consumption. God forbid we make an error on a name.
The last poster in this thread got it right: how about something original? Sweet Jesus, I'm starting to wonder how we ever got through the 60s and 70s without reviving everything possible. Gosh, maybe because back then, folks actually had a smattering of creativity and didnt have to depend on doing all-this or all-that of fifty year old shows to make a buck. But whatever... you guys discuss it at your leisure.
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#134
Posted: 7/26/11 at 12:14pm
"folks actually had a smattering of creativity and didnt have to depend on doing all-this or all-that of fifty year old shows to make a buck."
Again, is this happening somewhere, other than in the fantasy of the OP on a discussion board?
Again, is this happening somewhere, other than in the fantasy of the OP on a discussion board?
#135
What's next? An all-Pakistani BOMBAY DREAMS? An all-Korean PACIFIC OVERTURES? An all-American HAMLET?
What a shame. What a shame.
Posted: 7/26/11 at 12:24pm
What's next? An all-Pakistani BOMBAY DREAMS? An all-Korean PACIFIC OVERTURES? An all-American HAMLET?
What a shame. What a shame.
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#136
Posted: 7/26/11 at 12:55pm
"Again, is this (preponderance of revivals) happening somewhere, other than in the fantasy of the OP on a discussion board?"
Some light research might help a bit. From January through December, 1961 (50 years ago), there were 3 (three) revivals (The Octoroon, Hamlet, and Jerome Robbins' Ballet: U.S.A).
January through July 2011 - we've already had 13 (and three more are scheduled to open before December).
Some light research might help a bit. From January through December, 1961 (50 years ago), there were 3 (three) revivals (The Octoroon, Hamlet, and Jerome Robbins' Ballet: U.S.A).
January through July 2011 - we've already had 13 (and three more are scheduled to open before December).
#137
Posted: 7/26/11 at 1:02pm
I thought the point was a sudden preponderance of all-black (or, at least, nonwhite) revivals of classic shows.
#138
Posted: 7/26/11 at 1:45pm
I, for one, am quite relieved there's never been a revival of Barefoot in the Dark with black actors. I'd hate to give the impression that black people were people in the 60s, too!
SeanMartin, you made an error in a name AND in a pretty key plot point about her. And you're still clinging to the notion that Jon HAS to bewhite blonde. Is that because it's the one thing you remember correctly from the book? As Reg pointed out, he wasn't blonde in the miniseries, so you should take issue with that, if the blonde hair was the actual issue.
So Sean (anyone else, for that matter) can feel free to think I'm apoplectic, or overeating or whatever else he wants. I'd rather be that a thousand times over than as tone deaf to racial issues as several people in this thread are.
SeanMartin, you made an error in a name AND in a pretty key plot point about her. And you're still clinging to the notion that Jon HAS to be
So Sean (anyone else, for that matter) can feel free to think I'm apoplectic, or overeating or whatever else he wants. I'd rather be that a thousand times over than as tone deaf to racial issues as several people in this thread are.
#139
Posted: 7/26/11 at 3:45pm
I'm suddenly reminded of Richard Rodgers' 1962 musical No Strings, which features a leading lady originally (and in all later versions I've seen) played by an actress of color, although her race is never directly referenced in the show (if I remember correctly), outside a comment that she would be out of place in Maine.
Could that count as an early (if not the first) example of non-traditional casting on Broadway?
How about 1964's The Owl and the Pussycat? I believe race is not directly referenced in that one either, although the role was originally played by Diana Sands (but by the notorious actress of color, Barbra Streisand, in the film). Sands' understudy, by the way, was the lily-white actress Rose Gregorio.
Could that count as an early (if not the first) example of non-traditional casting on Broadway?
How about 1964's The Owl and the Pussycat? I believe race is not directly referenced in that one either, although the role was originally played by Diana Sands (but by the notorious actress of color, Barbra Streisand, in the film). Sands' understudy, by the way, was the lily-white actress Rose Gregorio.
#140
Posted: 7/26/11 at 4:04pm
I'm not sure what your point was, but it seems like those are two great examples of not fretting about race in casting when it simply doesn't matter.
#141
Posted: 7/26/11 at 4:11pm
Stop looking for reasons to kvetch, Reggie; my point was the question that was clearly expressed. I know you have an urge to pounce, but just try reading and replying this time.
#142
Posted: 7/26/11 at 4:22pm
I saw Pacific Overtures with a middle aged white woman playing the reciter...nothing surprises me anymore.
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#143
Posted: 7/26/11 at 4:38pm
Newintown, why are you so unpleasant in every single thread? I wish I could figure out how that gratifies you.
I honestly didn't know what your point was; I took a stab at it.
Your first question was to ask was that not the first example of nontraditional casting, right? I don't know the answer to that, but from what I've read the show was conceived before Diahann Carroll was cast, which lead me to say what I said.
Your second question was "How about Owl and the Pussycat"? Okay, how about it? What IS your point there? Since you went on to say that it was originally cast with a black actress with a white understudy and filmed with a white actress I thought maybe you were saying race didn't matter in this instance.
I'm sorry you saw my response as pouncing. I'm not sure what I pounced on. I still can't grasp how it's kvetching. I honestly (though stupidly, I now realize) thought we might be in agreement.
I honestly didn't know what your point was; I took a stab at it.
Your first question was to ask was that not the first example of nontraditional casting, right? I don't know the answer to that, but from what I've read the show was conceived before Diahann Carroll was cast, which lead me to say what I said.
Your second question was "How about Owl and the Pussycat"? Okay, how about it? What IS your point there? Since you went on to say that it was originally cast with a black actress with a white understudy and filmed with a white actress I thought maybe you were saying race didn't matter in this instance.
I'm sorry you saw my response as pouncing. I'm not sure what I pounced on. I still can't grasp how it's kvetching. I honestly (though stupidly, I now realize) thought we might be in agreement.
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#144
Posted: 7/26/11 at 4:42pm
And by the way, newintown, instead of attacking me, YOU could have read and replied to my post. Why couldn't you simply have said "No, what I meant was . . . "?
You calling anyone out on "pouncing" is the pot calling the kettle blindly cast.
You calling anyone out on "pouncing" is the pot calling the kettle blindly cast.
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#145
Posted: 7/26/11 at 4:51pm
Every time newintown walks into a room, it positively reeks of vinegar and water!
And why in God's name are people using the all-black Guys and Dolls and Hello, Dolly as an argument for anything??? Those productions are over 35 years old!!!! What does that have to do with anything?
Could you just imagine the SH*T-show that would have ocurred if Michael Mouse was cast black? (which would have been AWESOME!)
Maupin wrote one thing in the 70's. But he was intimately involved with this production. One has to imagine that he was just fine and dandy with the role of Jon Fielding being portrayed as a black man.
And why in God's name are people using the all-black Guys and Dolls and Hello, Dolly as an argument for anything??? Those productions are over 35 years old!!!! What does that have to do with anything?
Could you just imagine the SH*T-show that would have ocurred if Michael Mouse was cast black? (which would have been AWESOME!)
Maupin wrote one thing in the 70's. But he was intimately involved with this production. One has to imagine that he was just fine and dandy with the role of Jon Fielding being portrayed as a black man.
#146
Posted: 7/26/11 at 5:21pm
I think Darryl Stephens of Noah's Arc might be your AWESOME Michael Mouse.
#147
Posted: 7/26/11 at 5:27pm
Delightful suggestion.
Wouldn't it add so much to the story? Addressing, in a way, the homophobia in the religiously-conservative black community? I've been a huge fan of Tales of the City since I read them in college. They truly changed my life. I never before thought about a black Mouse, but I think it would be perfect!
Wouldn't it add so much to the story? Addressing, in a way, the homophobia in the religiously-conservative black community? I've been a huge fan of Tales of the City since I read them in college. They truly changed my life. I never before thought about a black Mouse, but I think it would be perfect!
#148
Posted: 7/26/11 at 5:33pm
Reg, clearly I think you're as nasty and unpleasant as you think I am. I have no solution to offer, nor do I really think one is necessary.
#149
Posted: 7/26/11 at 9:43pm
Darryl Stephens can't act his way out of a moist paper bag. Give me a break! Though, that photograph is delightful, I wouldn't kick him out of bed for eating crackers, but, the guy can't act...
#150
Posted: 7/26/11 at 10:59pm
Well, that was nasty and unpleasant.
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