Wow... A STAR IS BORN snub?! — Page 2

I am glad A Star is Born got snubbed. That movie was only made because Bradley Cooper wanted to win awards and he was checking off all the ingredients that attracts award fodder to guarantee a win. He was really good in the movie though as was Sam Elliot, but Lady Gaga really did give a first-time film performance and it showed. Amateur line readings and surface-level emotion. No nuance whatsoever. It was also weirdly paced, the scenes felt artificial, and even the Globes didn't nominate its substandard screenplay. Bohemian Rhapsody's win was a joke but I expected it because people LOVE that movie. Critics and others hated it, but general audiences ate it up. The positive reaction to the Globes win was huge. I hope that people realize who that movie is connected to and start connecting the dots and Bryan Singer's heinous behavior should not be ignored. All the films nominated for Best Drama should lose to Roma, a movie I also have some issues with but can't deny was a masterfully crafted film, anyway once it competes against the other films. The Favourite, Roma, Burning, Shoplifters, Cold War, Minding the Gap (a documentary), and others that have no chance of garnering awards attention are superior films to any of the nominees for Best Drama this year. American films are behind the foreign counterparts, IMO.

I'm all for Glenn Close winning this year and comparing her performance to Lady Gaga's was a joke. IMO, Olivia Colman, Melissa McCarthy, Toni Collette, Helena Howard, Nicole Kidman, Rosamund Pike, Sakura Ando, Joanna Kulig, and Julia Roberts (yes her too) should all be in the conversation over Lady Gaga.

Updated On: 1/7/19 at 11:42 AM

Kad said: "Impossible2 said: "I would be totally shocked if BR even got a Best Picture Oscar nomination, though it has been a particularly awful year for films."

This year's given us Roma, The Favourite, If Beale Street Could Talk, BlacKKKlansman, A Star is Born, Black Panther, First Reformed, Can You Ever Forgive Me?, and others. I'd say this was a pretty great year for films, actually."

Thats 8 out of the over a thousand that were released and frankly half of those were far from 'great'. Good yes, great, I don't think so.

haterobics said: "ScottyDoesn'tKnow2 said: "Bohemian Rhapsody's win was a joke but I expected it because people LOVE that movie. Critics and others hated it, but general audiences ate it up."

But the Globes are voted on BY movie critics in the Hollywood Foreign Press, no? So, critics voted on a movie that critics hated?"

They are NOT movie critics. They are "journalists" except nobody really knows if they are. They call themselves that but there's been a lot of investigative work into that membership with people wondering if they're even journalists. The Globes have a shady history. That said, I have to say some of their picks in the past decade have been better than the Oscars, IMO.

haterobics said: "Luminaire2 said: "Lest we forget there are hundreds of amazing movies made each year that wont ever be mentioned during award season or by the general public..."

It seems optimistic to think hundreds of "amazing" movies are being made each year and no one cares about them... Even dozens would seem high."

This...

2013 was the last truly great year for film.

I think what Luminaire2 is talking about is that there are festivals that happen all year round (like Sundance; Cannes) where great movies are debuted and then fight for distribution from studios. However, a great number of them don't end up being awards fodder because the Oscar race is a mix of reward merit, combining narratives to make them and their actors look attractive enough to award, and non-merit based studio hard campaigning. Only a certain few smaller films get into the conversation because of this. Then there's a case of foreign films where only a few great ones will get a qualifying American theatrical run on top of maybe being their country's submission of choice.

Updated On: 1/7/19 at 11:58 AM

ScottyDoesn'tKnow2 said: "I think what Luminaire2 is talking about is that there are festivals that happen all year round (like Sundance; Cannes) where great movies are debuted and then fight for distribution from studios. However, a great number of them don't end up being awards fodder because the Oscar race is a mix of reward merit, combining narratives to make them and their actors look attractive enough to award, and non-merit based studio hard campaigning. Only a certain few smaller films get into the conversation because of this. Then there's a case of foreign films where only a few great ones will get a qualifying American theatrical run on top of maybe being their country's submission of choice."

As someone who has had films I worked on go through the festival process their system is absolutely no different to the studios. It's not how good the product it's still who you are or who you know.

I pay very close attention to all of the festivals and while there is the odd gem that falls through the cracks on occasion, most of the really good ones do get proper releases.

ScottyDoesn'tKnow2 said: "Impossible2 said: "ScottyDoesn'tKnow2 said: "I think what Luminaire2 is talking about is that there are festivals that happen all year round (like Sundance; Cannes) where great movies are debuted and then fight for distribution from studios. However, a great number of them don't end up being awards fodder because the Oscar race is a mix of reward merit, combining narratives to make them and their actors look attractive enough to award, and non-merit based studio hard campaigning. Only a certain few smaller films get into the conversation because of this. Then there's a case of foreign films where only a few great ones will get a qualifying American theatrical run on top of maybe being their country's submission of choice."

As someone who has had films I worked on go through the festival process their system is absolutely no different to the studios. It's not how good the productit's still who you are or who you know.

I pay very close attention to all of the festivals and while there is the odd gem that falls through the cracks on occasion,most of the really good ones doget proper releases."

I'm going by my personal experience. I've seen so many movies that win awards at festivals or got some citations there only to be ignored come award season every year because they really do not fit the awards formula...one that A Star is Born desperately tried to emulate. I think a big example this year isThe Rider. Another one of my favorites this year,Madeline's Madelineat best only received attention from Gotham and the Spirit Awards."

Oh yes to go on and win further awards and such you are definitely right. It is very rare unless they are picked up by a major studio.

I'm just gonna say that it's hilarious how the first people to always be up in arms with anything involving race or Me, Too, or whatever it is that's causing outrage that day, are also the first to trot out what has become the hoariest cliche ever "old white men." Is ageism suddenly okay? Because this thread reeks of it. Because if ageism is okay, then let's bring back the Gypsy Robe, baby, let's just.

haterobics said: "ScottyDoesn'tKnow2 said: "I've seen so many movies that win awards at festivals or got some citations there only to be ignored come award season every year because they really do not fit the awards formula..."

I'm sure a film or two or three slips through the cracks, doesn't find a distributor, doesn't find an audience, etc. I was just more taken with there being "hundreds" of amazing movies every year that suffer this fate, which seemed an order of magnitude higher than possible."

That's true. Hundreds do seem like a lot. I would maybe say dozens. Possibly more if you really have a low opinion of most of the Oscar contenders.

PatrickDC said: "I find the bruhaha about the GG amusing. There are what, 75 or so members of the HFPA. Really, 75 people telling the world what is best?"

Well, what they think is best...

GeorgeandDot said: "bk, ageism is fine because ageism never killed anyone."

Neither did the Gypsy Robe. Ageism is not fine - you can't have it all ways from Sunday. Doesn't work that way I'm afraid. "Ageism is fine." And there you have it, folks.

qolbinau said: "I guess clearly he felt the need for a bit of ego-rubbing/self-promotion, which is a bit shameless but understandable."

He is still the official director of the movie.