Thoughts on the NBC show "Smash"?
Thoughts on the NBC show "Smash"?
#1Thoughts on the NBC show "Smash"?
Posted: 7/29/12 at 12:35am
Most of my other 13 year old theatre-obsessed friends *cough* competition *cough* seem to love this show, I love it too. But, we're not on Broadway, and we're not professional actors. From someone who has experienced thee audition-rehearsel-performance process for Broadway shows, or someone who just knows a great deal about the process, is it accurate? Obviously I know a director would never highly consider casting a no-name, green, never-on-Broadway actress for a lead, but besides from that, is it all similar to a typical show on Broadway?
Updated On: 7/29/12 at 12:35 AM
dramamama611
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/4/07
#2Thoughts on the NBC show
Posted: 7/29/12 at 9:19am
No. Think of it as a nighttime soap opera with a backdrop of a b'way show.
If you search, there is a very long thread discussing this show. I've linked the main one below. It's almost 100 pages -- it is NOT all love.
Read Me
If we're not having fun, then why are we doing it?
These are DISCUSSION boards, not mutual admiration boards. Discussion only occurs when we are willing to hear what others are thinking, regardless of whether it is alignment to our own thoughts.
Updated On: 7/29/12 at 09:19 AM
#2Thoughts on the NBC show
Posted: 7/29/12 at 9:26am
It's total fantasy. Read the thread dramamama linked for two reasons:
It's the main thread on the show and it will be the most active for thread for seasons to come.
Welcome to the boards, btw!
....but the world goes 'round
NewYorkYankee2006
Stand-by Joined: 4/30/06
#3Thoughts on the NBC show
Posted: 7/29/12 at 10:01amawsome! on edge now about what happens to poor ivy. her life on the show, is mirroring marilyn's. ivy was having affairs just like marilyn and now she was last seen with a bottle of pills just like what happened to marilyn monroe in real life. the lead, should have definately been ivy's. she looks and sounds like marilyn.
Gothampc
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/20/03
#4Thoughts on the NBC show
Posted: 7/29/12 at 12:53pm
"I know a director would never highly consider casting a no-name, green, never-on-Broadway actress for a lead"
It would never happen. All actresses must start in the chorus or playing bit parts on Broadway and then move to the star spot only when they are deemed ready.
--Carol Burnett, Once Upon A Mattress
--Julie Andrews, The Boy Friend
--Ethel Merman, Girl Crazy
If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
dramamama611
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/4/07
#5Thoughts on the NBC show
Posted: 7/29/12 at 1:05pmYou have to admit, those are pretty dated examples.
If we're not having fun, then why are we doing it?
These are DISCUSSION boards, not mutual admiration boards. Discussion only occurs when we are willing to hear what others are thinking, regardless of whether it is alignment to our own thoughts.
yankeefan7
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/14/12
#6Thoughts on the NBC show
Posted: 7/29/12 at 1:33pmdramamama611 - yep, that is show in a nutshell which is not a bad thing IMO. I did not expect it to be a 100% accurate description of life on bringing a show to Broadway.
Jon
Broadway Legend Joined: 2/20/04
#7Thoughts on the NBC show
Posted: 7/29/12 at 2:28pmModern example - Sutton Foster as Millie. She had basically been an ensemble member until then, like Ivy.
TheatreDiva90016
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/10/04
#8Thoughts on the NBC show
Posted: 7/29/12 at 3:39pmShe was not originally cast in the role.
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TheHappyPhantom
Featured Actor Joined: 8/25/11
#9Thoughts on the NBC show
Posted: 7/29/12 at 3:50pmit's really bad. It plays like something written by a bunch of playwriting 101 students who wanted to force all their frustrations with broadway into flat, stock characters. If you can get past the awful cliche' dialogue, the acting will ruin it for you. And I cant stand the forced reactions of the people who watch auditions on the show. Gasping and smiling like idiots, as if they've never seen a performance before. It's not as bad as Glee, but it's on its way.
TheEnchantedHunter
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/27/05
#10Thoughts on the NBC show
Posted: 7/29/12 at 10:00pmI'm watching The Band Wagon and there is more truth about mounting a show in any one of its scenes of comic farce than in the entire lame season of Smash....put together.
#11Thoughts on the NBC show
Posted: 7/30/12 at 12:46am
Smash is about as accurate to Broadway as Secret Life of the American Teenager is to high school
#12Thoughts on the NBC show
Posted: 7/30/12 at 10:36am
I think the comparison of Sutton Foster to McPhee's character (in terms of an unknown actress being cast as the lead in a broadway musical) is quite a stretch. Millie opened on Broadway 6 years after her Broadway Debut in 1996. In that show (Grease)she was the Understudy to the lead. She then was in the OBC of The Scarlett Pimpernell, another high profile gig. Her next show, the following year was Annie in which she played the Star To Be-a pretty decent featured role. After that she went into Les Mis as an ensemble member covering Eponine. Maybe Audiences might have thought of her as a "No-Name" but she certainly wasn't an unknown quantity within the business ( casting directors, etc). And in comparison to Erin Dilly (who she famously replaced) her "q rating" would pretty much have been the same with audiences.
4 broadway shows at the top of her resume- 1 of them with a big feature and 2 of them covering major characters is a lot different than McPhee's "fresh off the bus" character on Smash. If anything, Sutton Foster circa 2001 is more akin to Hilty's character.
Other than that, did you enjoy the play Mrs Lincoln?
Updated On: 7/30/12 at 10:36 AM
#13Thoughts on the NBC show
Posted: 7/30/12 at 11:06amI would share my thoughts on the show, but I can't. I'm in tech!
Phyllis Rogers Stone
Broadway Legend Joined: 9/16/07
#14Thoughts on the NBC show
Posted: 7/30/12 at 1:21pmI wish we had talked about the show while it was on the air!
#15Thoughts on the NBC show
Posted: 7/30/12 at 5:16pm
--Carol Burnett, Once Upon A Mattress
--Julie Andrews, The Boy Friend
--Ethel Merman, Girl Crazy
Not only are these examples dated, as dramamama points out, all three women had extensive professional experience elsewhere. Carol Burnett had done several TV shows in NYC as well as night clubs; Julie Andrews had been performing since she was a child, Merman was a well-known night club singer in Manhattan.
Yes, all three had great success at early ages, but SMASH would have us believe that Kat McPhee just got off the bus from Iowa. Apparently, she never even sang at a private party before the LI bar mitzvah!
I'm not sure why the writers thought the interesting choice was to make Karen such a dewy-eyed naif. Actually, the early bios of the women above, Foster and even McPhee herself make for better stories. Imagine if Karen had done well on a "TV talent show" only to discover she wasn't taken seriously in New York! Already more interesting than what we saw and with actual conflict.
#16Thoughts on the NBC show
Posted: 7/30/12 at 5:23pmWas Karen non-Equity?
"What can you expect from a bunch of seitan worshippers?" - Reginald Tresilian
#17Thoughts on the NBC show
Posted: 7/30/12 at 11:22pm
Was Karen non-Equity?
Lord knows, she acted as if she'd never been on stage before, much less in a union production. But at this point, I've forgotten how she got her audition.
#18Thoughts on the NBC show
Posted: 7/30/12 at 11:25pmWe never found out.
"I think lying to children is really important, it sets them off on the right track" -Sherie Rene Scott-
#20Thoughts on the NBC show
Posted: 7/30/12 at 11:38pmShe just had it, then she got a call from her...wait for it....AGENT!
"I think lying to children is really important, it sets them off on the right track" -Sherie Rene Scott-
#21Thoughts on the NBC show
Posted: 7/31/12 at 12:46am
The only example I can think of is Betty Buckley, who says she arrived in New York and went straight from either the airport or bus station to her audition for 1776 and was hired almost immediately.
Of course, that's her version of the story. Who knows how much embellishment there is.
#22Thoughts on the NBC show
Posted: 7/31/12 at 3:52am
Well, even assuming her version is literally accurate, there has to be more to the story. How did she even HAVE an audition scheduled on the day she arrived? Obviously, her agent had made arrangements in advance.
Wiki claims she sang at the Miss America pageant a few years before (where she was discovered by her agent) and then toured Vietnam, performing for the troops. So maybe her agent got her an audition with a tape.
Yet another story more interesting than SMASH. LOL.
JakePinckes
Chorus Member Joined: 7/10/12
#24Thoughts on the NBC show
Posted: 7/31/12 at 6:20pm
I thought open calls for principal roles were rare on Broadway, except when a role is difficult to cast because it requires a certain ethnicity, special skills, etc. (This is as opposed to the union-required interviews, of course.) That's why all my actor-singer friends were so desperate to get agents: not because they needed contracts negotiated, but because it was the entree into the world of agent submissions and principal auditions.
Of course, I'm sure there were exceptions and, being so extraordinary, Buckley might even have been cast out of an open chorus call. But since she HAD an agent (per Wiki), I think it's more likely the audition was scheduled in advance.
Which makes getting a principal Broadway role on your first day in NYC no less unlikely!
